JMU wanted more northeastern flavor in its conference for enrollment and academics, like in the CAA. The Sun Belt has too many former teacher’s colleges for its taste. An ASun gone FBS with a north wing and FL and GA schools is JMU’s dream.

LOL

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(01-26-2020 05:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU wanted more northeastern flavor in its conference for enrollment and academics, like in the CAA. The Sun Belt has too many former teacher’s colleges for its taste. An ASun gone FBS with a north wing and FL and GA schools is JMU’s dream.

JMU IS a former teacher's college. Lol at them.

(01-26-2020 04:11 PM)panama Wrote:  I don't think AL can support a 6th and a 7th FBS program.

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Alabama supports two FBS schools. The others are supported about like the FCSs in the state. The third best FBS is closer to the lowest FCS than either Alabama or Auburn. Heck probably closer to Faulkner.

JSU has made a lot of improvements to there facilities, including completely rebuilding the baseball stadium, over the last few years. I’ve always thought they were prepping for FBS.

I see JSU making that move, the UNA talk is unexpected to me.

(01-26-2020 07:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 05:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU wanted more northeastern flavor in its conference for enrollment and academics, like in the CAA. The Sun Belt has too many former teacher’s colleges for its taste. An ASun gone FBS with a north wing and FL and GA schools is JMU’s dream.

JMU IS a former teacher's college. Lol at them.

Most former teacher colleges so want to diminish that past. Becoming FBS is part of it as well as more STEM and business.

James Madison is informally challenging George Mason’s former name of University of Northern Virginia as a residential college.

UNA, Jax St, Kennesaw St, EKU, ETSU etc and others are trying to diversify too.

Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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(01-26-2020 08:17 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 04:11 PM)panama Wrote:  I don't think AL can support a 6th and a 7th FBS program.

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Alabama supports two FBS schools. The others are supported about like the FCSs in the state. The third best FBS is closer to the lowest FCS than either Alabama or Auburn. Heck probably closer to Faulkner.

FBS for the ASun isn’t going to create another P5 conference, but raises th visibility for those ASun schools, just like it has done in Alabama. Being D2 or FCS brings almost no national publicity. NDSU enrollment has gone down since they have won FCS. Might be a caused by a change in President, but that’s difficult to do in a thriving state.

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

They may want FBS, but they will have to be more than just a good football program to achieve that.

First, nobody will invite them to FBS with a basketball program that got drilled by a 2nd year transition program.

Second, they can barely put anyone in the stands, even in the playoffs.

Third, how many FBS schools need to be in the Atlanta area? That would be 3 if they did it. And KSU or Georgia state can come close to drawing attention there.

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

In all of this discussion, nobody has asked the question “where are all the extra FBS-caliber football players going to come from?” If this idiotic ASUN idea takes hold, it will just mean that G5 football gets watered down even more than it already is. The gulf between P5 & G5 gets wider. Not good.

(01-26-2020 11:18 PM)AppRolls Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

In all of this discussion, nobody has asked the question “where are all the extra FBS-caliber football players going to come from?” If this idiotic ASUN idea takes hold, it will just mean that G5 football gets watered down even more than it already is. The gulf between P5 & G5 gets wider. Not good.

That’s why the P5 won’t oppose it. The P5 don’t care what the G5 need or want.

(01-26-2020 10:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

They may want FBS, but they will have to be more than just a good football program to achieve that.

First, nobody will invite them to FBS with a basketball program that got drilled by a 2nd year transition program.

Second, they can barely put anyone in the stands, even in the playoffs.

Third, how many FBS schools need to be in the Atlanta area? That would be 3 if they did it. And KSU or Georgia state can come close to drawing attention there.

The ASun itself will include them, regardless how bad their mbb is.

One doesn’t need 15000 seats filled, but 15k ticket sold at reduced prices. Their 5th 3rd Bank stadium is only 8300, and needs expansion. But just down the road in Cobb County is SunTrust Park, where Kennesaw has played games. SunTrust is 41000, so just one game would go a long way to fulfill attendance needs. Kennesaw could schedule GT at the Dome and it would meet its attendance requirements in one game,

Georgia St really struggled early in FBs, but now draws better.

But the Sun Belt chose Coastal Carolina for a new FBS school, and it barely had fans and didn’t have a stadium then but Coastal sailed through the transition.

(01-26-2020 11:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

They may want FBS, but they will have to be more than just a good football program to achieve that.

First, nobody will invite them to FBS with a basketball program that got drilled by a 2nd year transition program.

Second, they can barely put anyone in the stands, even in the playoffs.

Third, how many FBS schools need to be in the Atlanta area? That would be 3 if they did it. And KSU or Georgia state can come close to drawing attention there.

The ASun itself will include them, regardless how bad their mbb is.

One doesn’t need 15000 seats filled, but 15k ticket sold at reduced prices. Their 5th 3rd Bank stadium is only 8300, and needs expansion. But just down the road in Cobb County is SunTrust Park, where Kennesaw has played games. SunTrust is 41000, so just one game would go a long way to fulfill attendance needs. Kennesaw could schedule GT at the Dome and it would meet its attendance requirements in one game,

Georgia St really struggled early in FBs, but now draws better.

But the Sun Belt chose Coastal Carolina for a new FBS school, and it barely had fans and didn’t have a stadium then but Coastal sailed through the transition.

There’s so much to unpack here. First of all, neutral site games don’t count towards your home attendance, and even if they did, KSU isn’t selling out a 41,000 seat baseball stadium. Also, the Dome has been torn down, and Georgia Tech would not agree to a neutral site game at Mercedes Benz Stadium with a team ~20 miles away from their campus, let alone let KSU keep all the ticket revenue especially since the stadium would only be half full and 95% Tech fans.

Georgia State is still struggling to gain attention and support from their alumni and students.

Coastal Carolina had a 10k seat, on-campus stadium when they were added that has since been expanded to 21k seats. KSU’s by comparison is smaller and also not an on-campus facility.

All this is pointless.

The ASUN is not going to have FBS football.

If anything happens, they will only split to have an FCS conference, the UAC. That's it. They only reason FBS was ever mentioned was because of Liberty.

One day, Maybe, KSU and UNA might be in a position for FBS, but it will be a while. And if so, who knows what the landscape will look like.

The likelyhood is, if this ASUN thing happens, is UNA, KSU, Chattanooga and JSU among some others will be in the same conference. And if by some strange reason JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook and whomever else was to happen, it may be an ACC style conference, but it will still be FCS.

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

Kennesaw cannot afford anything else. Even while winning they typically fill 40 percent or less of their 10k seat soccer stadium. They don't even have a FOC. This is all fun and games until the check comes due and there are maybe 3 to 5 FCS across the South and Mid Atlantic which oils pull off an FBS move and who actually want to. And don't tell me CFB money is the reason they will try. None of this has ever been about TV money, not when you have a third of a billion dollar to a billion dollar operating budgets for your university.

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I could see the CFP, to prevent this mass exodus from FCS to FBS, would be to include FCS conferences in the CFP payout. Throw each of those conferences a million or two to keep those schools down in FCS.

(01-27-2020 09:13 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 11:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 10:23 PM)panama Wrote:  Stooopppp

None of this is happening.

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Go to the realignment board, as they have numerous hair brain reasons that the ASun is nuts. Going FBS with many schools from different conferences is the only way that makes sense. The ASun geography will become like the ACC’s, and few call that stupid.

Kennesaw St doesn’t want FCS!

They may want FBS, but they will have to be more than just a good football program to achieve that.

First, nobody will invite them to FBS with a basketball program that got drilled by a 2nd year transition program.

Second, they can barely put anyone in the stands, even in the playoffs.

Third, how many FBS schools need to be in the Atlanta area? That would be 3 if they did it. And KSU or Georgia state can come close to drawing attention there.

The ASun itself will include them, regardless how bad their mbb is.

One doesn’t need 15000 seats filled, but 15k ticket sold at reduced prices. Their 5th 3rd Bank stadium is only 8300, and needs expansion. But just down the road in Cobb County is SunTrust Park, where Kennesaw has played games. SunTrust is 41000, so just one game would go a long way to fulfill attendance needs. Kennesaw could schedule GT at the Dome and it would meet its attendance requirements in one game,

Georgia St really struggled early in FBs, but now draws better.

But the Sun Belt chose Coastal Carolina for a new FBS school, and it barely had fans and didn’t have a stadium then but Coastal sailed through the transition.

There’s so much to unpack here. First of all, neutral site games don’t count towards your home attendance, and even if they did, KSU isn’t selling out a 41,000 seat baseball stadium. Also, the Dome has been torn down, and Georgia Tech would not agree to a neutral site game at Mercedes Benz Stadium with a team ~20 miles away from their campus, let alone let KSU keep all the ticket revenue especially since the stadium would only be half full and 95% Tech fans.

Georgia State is still struggling to gain attention and support from their alumni and students.

Coastal Carolina had a 10k seat, on-campus stadium when they were added that has since been expanded to 21k seats. KSU’s by comparison is smaller and also not an on-campus facility.

People act like its instant fans and instant program. We were in the top 20 in FCS attendance our first two years and then we started to lose just at the same time that we received an invite and started our transition. We had built a practice facility for FCS even as voices in the alumni base and leadership were pushing for FBS. That cost money and then had to be reworked. We had to add a $1M weight room several years later. Now the whole facility will be for soccer. We were renting the Dome at virtually no cost other than gameday prep with was about $100k per. Then they announced Dome is being torn down and new Dome (MBS) will be managed by the Falcons who weren't returning our calls. Braves announce they are leaving and someone calls Dr. Becker as the news is breaking and asks "How would you like a stadium and 70 acres of downtown?". So that cost $30M. We have probably sunk $75M to $80M in two phases thus far to get the field and lower bowl done as well as the Football Operations Center and other under the cover stuff. That's just the off the field costs. Anyone coming up now is going to have to match the G5 facilities and toys. That costs a lot of money. If they aren't beating us today for low 3 stars, waving a magic wand doesn't suddenly get them those players. The money for upgrades is actual cash especially with the Georgia BOR. You have to figure out how to get actual fans to your games in a ACC and SEC SEC SEC environment. Some of us struggle with that today and as I have said a multitude of times, GSU's alumni base is way ahead of where Kennesaw's is in the caring and school pride department. That's why they can win 10 games and draw 3k fans. And that's not to take a swipe at KSU. Its just the same reality we would have faced had we started football in 1990 vs. 2010. We didn't have alumni who cared that much about GSU then. This is why many who have been privy to the intimate details of the last group of start-ups / move ups (GSU, GS, App,USA, ODU, UTSA etc) cannot believe that the ASun's actual intention could be to create an FBS conference.

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10 years ago, schools moved up to FBS to compete at the highest level. I believe today, schools in FCS are moving up to compete with the G5 level. They don’t have a belief of playing a P5 at home in front of 40k people, they have dreams of playing a G5 at home in front of 12k people.

(01-27-2020 10:35 AM)Usajags Wrote:  10 years ago, schools moved up to FBS to compete at the highest level. I believe today, schools in FCS are moving up to compete with the G5 level. They don’t have a belief of playing a P5 at home in front of 40k people, they have dreams of playing a G5 at home in front of 12k people.

That is the wrong reason to drop $100M over the next 5 to 10 years.

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