(02-05-2020 11:22 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  As of right now, anything and everything is almost pure speculation. It's not like we have "official" press releases that anyone has interviewed, etc.

Hell, I could email my resume and start some speculation that I'm being "looked at".

That's essentially where we are right now. It's fun to speculate -- but it's all speculation at this point until there is some sort of publicly released indication of anything. Right now, everything is 100% speculation.

I will be honest everyone on your list would probably do a great job for the University.

(02-05-2020 11:24 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Seems like a pretty accurate list.

Just added Chris Caputo and Luke Murray as well.

But again, the only candidates listed I am quite confident want the job are Nathan Davis and Burke. The rest is probably just noise.

And a name we haven't mentioned yet is sure to emerge out of nowhere, much like Pasternack and C.B. himself did late in the game last time around while we were all busy talking about Dooley and Caputo. True, C.B. wanted the job back when we hired Buzz too, but we had no idea there was any mutual interest there until way late in the coaching search.

(02-05-2020 11:25 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I will be honest everyone on your list would probably do a great job for the University.

I do think we're in better shape in this coaching search than we were last time around. Seems to me that C.B. was our 3rd or 4th choice at the time we hired him.

I don't think we were caught by complete surprise when Keatts left, but it certainly wasn't ideal to not be able to begin a coaching search until after the NCAA Tournament (good problem to have for a lot of other programs, but perhaps not for us).

That's the advantage to letting a coach go midseason. We're ahead of the game among all the other mid-major schools (and some P5's) that might let their HC's go after the season. Plus we get an extended look at Burke. So even though we were a desirable program last time coming off 2 straight NCAA Tournament appearances, we're somehow in just as strong of a position or better than last time. Which of course speaks volumes about strong the job is viewed by the coaching community, even if we're seen as "only" a stepping stone job by most.

(02-05-2020 11:28 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:24 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Seems like a pretty accurate list.

Just added Chris Caputo and Luke Murray as well.

But again, the only candidates listed I am quite confident want the job are Nathan Davis and Burke. The rest is probably just noise.

And a name we haven't mentioned yet is sure to emerge out of nowhere, much like Pasternack and C.B. himself did late in the game last time around while we were all busy talking about Dooley and Caputo. True, C.B. wanted the job back when we hired Buzz too, but we had no idea there was any mutual interest there until way late in the coaching search.

I was wondering about some of the assistants they have been mentioned. For example do you guys think Watkins would leave Ole Miss and the Kentucky assistant has been mentioned also, I just don't see those guys leaving.

(02-05-2020 11:33 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:28 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:24 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Seems like a pretty accurate list.

Just added Chris Caputo and Luke Murray as well.

But again, the only candidates listed I am quite confident want the job are Nathan Davis and Burke. The rest is probably just noise.

And a name we haven't mentioned yet is sure to emerge out of nowhere, much like Pasternack and C.B. himself did late in the game last time around while we were all busy talking about Dooley and Caputo. True, C.B. wanted the job back when we hired Buzz too, but we had no idea there was any mutual interest there until way late in the coaching search.

I was wondering about some of the assistants they have been mentioned. For example do you guys think Watkins would leave Ole Miss and the Kentucky assistant has been mentioned also, I just don't see those guys leaving.

If Watkins has expressed interest as you and other say, if offered why would he not leave?

(02-05-2020 11:33 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I was wondering about some of the assistants they have been mentioned. For example do you guys think Watkins would leave Ole Miss and the Kentucky assistant has been mentioned also, I just don't see those guys leaving.

I have no idea and honestly I'm not that interested in discussing a guy like Levi Watkins until the season ends and we have a better perspective on who the candidates/finalists will be.

Like I mentioned, I prefer a guy with HC experience. Having some UNCW ties could be a bonus, since that might perhaps yield us a more "loyal" candidate than an up-and-coming assistant.

As for the "Kentucky assistant", are you talking about Joel Justus (former UNCW player and alum, 2000-04) or Kenny Payne/Tony Barbee?

(02-05-2020 11:34 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:33 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:28 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:24 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Seems like a pretty accurate list.

Just added Chris Caputo and Luke Murray as well.

But again, the only candidates listed I am quite confident want the job are Nathan Davis and Burke. The rest is probably just noise.

And a name we haven't mentioned yet is sure to emerge out of nowhere, much like Pasternack and C.B. himself did late in the game last time around while we were all busy talking about Dooley and Caputo. True, C.B. wanted the job back when we hired Buzz too, but we had no idea there was any mutual interest there until way late in the coaching search.

I was wondering about some of the assistants they have been mentioned. For example do you guys think Watkins would leave Ole Miss and the Kentucky assistant has been mentioned also, I just don't see those guys leaving.

If Watkins has expressed interest as you and other say, if offered why would he not leave?

I suspect they both are making very well in the conference they are in, I hear UNCW maybe be a little low on funds after having to buy out CB, I also hear they were going to try to get girls basketball their own locker room, but that's on hold now.

For any Assistant to be a finalist, they had better be a daggum superstar in my opinion. Any middling assistant or anything of the like should be tossed in the "not even reading that" pile of resumes.

(02-05-2020 11:38 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I suspect they both are making very well in the conference they are in, I hear UNCW maybe be a little low on funds after having to buy out CB, I also hear they were going to try to get girls basketball their own locker room, but that's on hold now.

I don't think we can afford to go cheap with our hire just because of CB's buyout. That's a good way to end up with another bad hire all over again.

Usually when a HC gets let go here, big donors step up to pay for the buyout. And I also imagine we wouldn't have let go of CB when we did without some assurance that the money would be there. That's not always a good thing, since those big donors might use that leverage to try to impact the hiring decision. But that's the nature of the business, particularly at the mid-major level.

But either way we can't afford to miss out on a quality candidate over the money. I imagine our next hire will make as much or more than CB got.

(02-05-2020 11:40 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:38 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I suspect they both are making very well in the conference they are in, I hear UNCW maybe be a little low on funds after having to buy out CB, I also hear they were going to try to get girls basketball their own locker room, but that's on hold now.

I don't think we can afford to go cheap with our hire just because of CB's buyout. That's a good way to end up with another bad hire all over again.

Usually when a HC gets let go here, big donors step up to pay for the buyout. And I also imagine we wouldn't have let go of CB when we did without some assurance that the money would be there. That's not always a good thing, since those big donors might use that leverage to try to impact the hiring decision. But that's the nature of the business, particularly at the mid-major level.

But either way we can't afford to miss out on a quality candidate over the money. I imagine our next hire will make as much or more than CB got.

I totally agree

Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

(02-05-2020 11:40 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:38 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I suspect they both are making very well in the conference they are in, I hear UNCW maybe be a little low on funds after having to buy out CB, I also hear they were going to try to get girls basketball their own locker room, but that's on hold now.

I don't think we can afford to go cheap with our hire just because of CB's buyout. That's a good way to end up with another bad hire all over again.

Usually when a HC gets let go here, big donors step up to pay for the buyout. And I also imagine we wouldn't have let go of CB when we did without some assurance that the money would be there. That's not always a good thing, since those big donors might use that leverage to try to impact the hiring decision. But that's the nature of the business, particularly at the mid-major level.

But either way we can't afford to miss out on a quality candidate over the money. I imagine our next hire will make as much or more than CB got.

UNCW has moved to a perfomance based contract with a smaller guarantee. It's a contract that has evolved due to past mistakes. I doubt the contract will look much different for the next coach.

(02-05-2020 11:40 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:38 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  I suspect they both are making very well in the conference they are in, I hear UNCW maybe be a little low on funds after having to buy out CB, I also hear they were going to try to get girls basketball their own locker room, but that's on hold now.

I don't think we can afford to go cheap with our hire just because of CB's buyout. That's a good way to end up with another bad hire all over again.

Usually when a HC gets let go here, big donors step up to pay for the buyout. And I also imagine we wouldn't have let go of CB when we did without some assurance that the money would be there. That's not always a good thing, since those big donors might use that leverage to try to impact the hiring decision. But that's the nature of the business, particularly at the mid-major level.

But either way we can't afford to miss out on a quality candidate over the money. I imagine our next hire will make as much or more than CB got.

I totally agree

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

(02-05-2020 11:56 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

That is how the Buyout works. When we fired Buzz and Moss it was similar. And for the record i'd be shocked if he's not back on Roy's staff in some capacity.

(02-05-2020 11:56 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

I am no special on that either, everyone is saying we old CB
$ 500,000

(02-05-2020 11:58 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:56 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

That is how the Buyout works. When we fired Buzz and Moss it was similar. And for the record i'd be shocked if he's not back on Roy's staff in some capacity.

Well that's garbage.

He very well may end up back on Roy's staff, but I don't really see him landing another job "easily", especially if he's looking to remain a HC. Moss was more successful, and more successful in a more competitive conference. IMO, McGrath was hands down the worst HC at UNCW in quite some time, and maybe ever.

(02-05-2020 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:58 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:56 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

That is how the Buyout works. When we fired Buzz and Moss it was similar. And for the record i'd be shocked if he's not back on Roy's staff in some capacity.

Well that's garbage.

He very well may end up back on Roy's staff, but I don't really see him landing another job "easily", especially if he's looking to remain a HC. Moss was more successful, and more successful in a more competitive conference. IMO, McGrath was hands down the worst HC at UNCW in quite some time, and maybe ever.

He was a very good assistant by all measures, as bad as was a HC. He'll land on his feet, unless he's too stubborn of what he is.

(02-05-2020 12:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:58 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:56 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 11:51 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Buyouts are overrated as an expense. CB has to seriously try to obtain a new job as part of his buyout. Any amount he earns will offset our payout.

He should get a job pretty easily but unless he goes back to a P5 UNCW will be stuck with the difference in pay .

I'm no contract specialist, but I'm pretty sure that's NOT how that buyout process works.

That is how the Buyout works. When we fired Buzz and Moss it was similar. And for the record i'd be shocked if he's not back on Roy's staff in some capacity.

Well that's garbage.

He very well may end up back on Roy's staff, but I don't really see him landing another job "easily", especially if he's looking to remain a HC. Moss was more successful, and more successful in a more competitive conference. IMO, McGrath was hands down the worst HC at UNCW in quite some time, and maybe ever.

I think he takes a step back to being an assistant after this deal he pretty much has to I would think.