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Al Nelson was also a Bearcat and Philly Eagle. He dates back to my time at UC, in the late Cretaceous, and thus pre-dates Andy Reid by a bunch of years

(01-13-2020 05:27 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 04:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 09:33 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Excuse my ignorance, but if Kelce goes to Canton would he be the first bearcat to do so?

I know of at least Koufax in baseball, and basketball will be covered with Oscar and a few others...but any Bearcat NFL alums make it in yet?

Yes, unless you count Sid Gillman who was inducted as a coach.

Oscar and Jack Twyman are in Springfield.

UC grad Tony Trabert is in the Tennis Hall of Fame. Most tennis players don't go to college so that's a rare achievement.

About 2/3 of MLB Hall of Famers didn't go to college either. So UC is one of only 11 schools with multiple alumni in Cooperstown. Oddly enough, so is Xavier. UC has Sandy Koufax and Miller Huggins, while Xavier has Jim Bunning and Frank Robinson.

Nonsense! Frank Robinson went to X while he was playing for the Reds. He never played for Xavier. Doesn't count.

Huh. I didn't know that. I was using baseball-reference.com. I guess their database includes any college that players graduated from, regardless of whether or not they played there.

The other Kelce has an outside chance...if you look at the modern era O-linemen, specifically those voted in recently (post-2000 end of career), it looks like 6 All-Pro nods is the barrier to entry. He is currently at 3 consecutive...if he maintains that for another 3 years, which is a tough ask, he could have a case. As far as ALL centers are concerned, he's already #7 in First Team All Pro selections, behind the 6 HOFers with there being at least 3-5 more years in his career to continue to jump. The issue in Kelce's candidacy is the fact that Alex Mack took quite a few Pro Bowl selections from him early on, and OLmen are typically judged on All-Pros and Pro Bowls combined in their candidacy. With that being said, it stands to reason that he MAY have a shot if he puts together a few more all-Pro years. Having 4-5 consecutive years of being the best player at your position in the league definitely says a lot about your place in the history of the league.

(01-12-2020 07:50 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Travis is going to the hall of fame if he stays healthy. He was playing at that level before but he's also going to be spending the prime of his career with an all time talent.

With multiple first team all pros Jason is definitely on the road to the HOF but I don't know that they put in as many interior linemen.

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He's already got more 3 more pro bowls than Kevin Mawae and 1/3rd the PBs; and he's also a SB Champion, which Mawae was not. if Mawae is in, i think Jason is in.

Mawae also played for 16 years, half of them in New York. He started 238 games.
Jason Kelce has only played 9 years, and one of them he only played in 2 games. He's started 126 games. Kelce's got a long way to go to match Mawae's total career impact. He's got a chance to get there if he can keep it up for at least 4 more years though.

(01-14-2020 10:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:50 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Travis is going to the hall of fame if he stays healthy. He was playing at that level before but he's also going to be spending the prime of his career with an all time talent.

With multiple first team all pros Jason is definitely on the road to the HOF but I don't know that they put in as many interior linemen.

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He's already got more 3 more pro bowls than Kevin Mawae and 1/3rd the PBs; and he's also a SB Champion, which Mawae was not. if Mawae is in, i think Jason is in.

Mawae also played for 16 years, half of them in New York. He started 238 games.
Jason Kelce has only played 9 years, and one of them he only played in 2 games. He's started 126 games. Kelce's got a long way to go to match Mawae's total career impact. He's got a chance to get there if he can keep it up for at least 4 more years though.

i actually think you are making a stronger case for Kelce as he's accomplished a significant amount in a shorter time period. Three all pro teams (all first team iirc) is a significant accomplishment. The fact that Mawae didn't have any speaks a lot to how highly Kelce is regarded since you can get subbed on to an PB team due to injury or other circumstance. Honestly neither here nor there until Kelce retires and a proper accounting of his accomplishments can be evaluated.

(01-14-2020 06:15 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:50 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Travis is going to the hall of fame if he stays healthy. He was playing at that level before but he's also going to be spending the prime of his career with an all time talent.

With multiple first team all pros Jason is definitely on the road to the HOF but I don't know that they put in as many interior linemen.

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He's already got more 3 more pro bowls than Kevin Mawae and 1/3rd the PBs; and he's also a SB Champion, which Mawae was not. if Mawae is in, i think Jason is in.

Mawae also played for 16 years, half of them in New York. He started 238 games.
Jason Kelce has only played 9 years, and one of them he only played in 2 games. He's started 126 games. Kelce's got a long way to go to match Mawae's total career impact. He's got a chance to get there if he can keep it up for at least 4 more years though.

i actually think you are making a stronger case for Kelce as he's accomplished a significant amount in a shorter time period. Three all pro teams (all first team iirc) is a significant accomplishment. The fact that Mawae didn't have any speaks a lot to how highly Kelce is regarded since you can get subbed on to an PB team due to injury or other circumstance. Honestly neither here nor there until Kelce retires and a proper accounting of his accomplishments can be evaluated.

Perhaps. But I think that logic only works if the player in question was a superstar.

Offensive linemen are never superstars. They get in the Hall of Fame for a similar reason as MLB pitcher Bert Blyleven. Blyleven got into the Hall of Fame because he was above average for a really long time. He was top-10 in Cy Young voting 4 times. He never won it, but the last time was 18 years after the first time. That longevity is what got him in.

(01-15-2020 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 06:15 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:50 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Travis is going to the hall of fame if he stays healthy. He was playing at that level before but he's also going to be spending the prime of his career with an all time talent.

With multiple first team all pros Jason is definitely on the road to the HOF but I don't know that they put in as many interior linemen.

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He's already got more 3 more pro bowls than Kevin Mawae and 1/3rd the PBs; and he's also a SB Champion, which Mawae was not. if Mawae is in, i think Jason is in.

Mawae also played for 16 years, half of them in New York. He started 238 games.
Jason Kelce has only played 9 years, and one of them he only played in 2 games. He's started 126 games. Kelce's got a long way to go to match Mawae's total career impact. He's got a chance to get there if he can keep it up for at least 4 more years though.

i actually think you are making a stronger case for Kelce as he's accomplished a significant amount in a shorter time period. Three all pro teams (all first team iirc) is a significant accomplishment. The fact that Mawae didn't have any speaks a lot to how highly Kelce is regarded since you can get subbed on to an PB team due to injury or other circumstance. Honestly neither here nor there until Kelce retires and a proper accounting of his accomplishments can be evaluated.

Perhaps. But I think that logic only works if the player in question was a superstar.

Offensive linemen are never superstars. They get in the Hall of Fame for a similar reason as MLB pitcher Bert Blyleven. Blyleven got into the Hall of Fame because he was above average for a really long time. He was top-10 in Cy Young voting 4 times. He never won it, but the last time was 18 years after the first time. That longevity is what got him in.

From ESPN this morning:

Center

Best overall: Jason Kelce, Philadelphia Eagles
Grade: 81.0

Kelce once against dominated from the center position. He commanded the action in the run game and allowed six combined sacks and hits in pass protection. Kelce has now finished six of the past eight seasons with a PFF overall grade above 80.0.

(01-15-2020 11:42 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 06:15 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:30 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 07:50 PM)eroc Wrote:  He's already got more 3 more pro bowls than Kevin Mawae and 1/3rd the PBs; and he's also a SB Champion, which Mawae was not. if Mawae is in, i think Jason is in.

Mawae also played for 16 years, half of them in New York. He started 238 games.
Jason Kelce has only played 9 years, and one of them he only played in 2 games. He's started 126 games. Kelce's got a long way to go to match Mawae's total career impact. He's got a chance to get there if he can keep it up for at least 4 more years though.

i actually think you are making a stronger case for Kelce as he's accomplished a significant amount in a shorter time period. Three all pro teams (all first team iirc) is a significant accomplishment. The fact that Mawae didn't have any speaks a lot to how highly Kelce is regarded since you can get subbed on to an PB team due to injury or other circumstance. Honestly neither here nor there until Kelce retires and a proper accounting of his accomplishments can be evaluated.

Perhaps. But I think that logic only works if the player in question was a superstar.

Offensive linemen are never superstars. They get in the Hall of Fame for a similar reason as MLB pitcher Bert Blyleven. Blyleven got into the Hall of Fame because he was above average for a really long time. He was top-10 in Cy Young voting 4 times. He never won it, but the last time was 18 years after the first time. That longevity is what got him in.

From ESPN this morning:

Center

Best overall: Jason Kelce, Philadelphia Eagles
Grade: 81.0

Kelce once against dominated from the center position. He commanded the action in the run game and allowed six combined sacks and hits in pass protection. Kelce has now finished six of the past eight seasons with a PFF overall grade above 80.0.

Any OL not named Munoz who is "best at his position" may as well be the NBA's 6th man of the year or the MLB's best middle reliever as far as the media is concerned.

Does Kuechly make the HOF?

(01-15-2020 02:45 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Does Kuechly make the HOF?

Yes. Defensive POY and 5 time all pro I believe. No doubter. Go Bombers