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Yesterday, Ben Bryant 3/7 21 yards.

(01-03-2020 03:08 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I watched it. How many balls did he throw over the middle? I'll wait this time. He's a very poor inaccurate passer. It's really tough to rebut that. Sure he can throw it kinda hard sometimes, but who cares. His coordinator takes away a 1/3 of the field from him, for that reason. Consider that his best target is a TE, it should scream to you that it's a known issue.

Running QBs get hurt offten. It's why they don't stick around in the NFL too long. It can work for the short term, but it's a poor long term plan, especially when the offense is built and recruited for a more traditional system.

His ball to Deguara was over the middle on a short post route. Deguara slipped and fell.

We're talking about college not pros.

Having Ridder on the team didn't seem to impact recruiting in the least.

Maybe our wide receivers aren't the best route runners or can get separation enough.

It's clear you're stuck in replace Ridder mode. No problem. You're opinion. What you and everyone else who feels the same way is not answering is who replaces him on the roster? I trust our staff to evaluate the players and to determine who gives us the best chance to win. Ridder wins. Period. Ben Bryant? WHo knows? As I posted upstream, he'll get his chance to prove he can do it but thus far he hasn't.

(01-03-2020 03:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Ben Bryant 3/7 21 yards.

2019
29 CMP
51 ATT
56.9 PCT
388 YDS
1 TD
2 INT
0-1 W/L

Ben Bryant threw two great balls that were dropped by Tre Tucker. He also through a pass I think on a slant to (I think) Medaris that was a horrible drop.

On the other hand, I'm not understanding why you take away going over the middle if the quarterback struggles throwing as Z-Fly mentioned. This seems to be true if you watch the playbook between Ridder and Bryant.

Ridder is throwing the IMO mainly the hardest passes on the field in outs and deep passes against the sideline.

Last time I checked the first pass plays kids are taught outside of the TE pop pass are slants, short post/ins, and curls.

(01-03-2020 03:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 03:08 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I watched it. How many balls did he throw over the middle? I'll wait this time. He's a very poor inaccurate passer. It's really tough to rebut that. Sure he can throw it kinda hard sometimes, but who cares. His coordinator takes away a 1/3 of the field from him, for that reason. Consider that his best target is a TE, it should scream to you that it's a known issue.

Running QBs get hurt offten. It's why they don't stick around in the NFL too long. It can work for the short term, but it's a poor long term plan, especially when the offense is built and recruited for a more traditional system.

His ball to Deguara was over the middle on a short post route. Deguara slipped and fell.

We're talking about college not pros.

Having Ridder on the team didn't seem to impact recruiting in the least.

Maybe our wide receivers aren't the best route runners or can get separation enough.

It's clear you're stuck in replace Ridder mode. No problem. You're opinion. What you and everyone else who feels the same way is not answering is who replaces him on the roster? I trust our staff to evaluate the players and to determine who gives us the best chance to win. Ridder wins. Period. Ben Bryant? WHo knows? As I posted upstream, he'll get his chance to prove he can do it but thus far he hasn't.

Teams win, not Quarterbacks.

None of us know for sure whether or not Bryant is the answer at quarterback. What is certain, in my opinion, is that our quarterback play has to get better. Ridder doesn't need to be great at throwing the ball. With his running ability, he just needs to be average. He needs to be able to hit short timing routes, crossing routes over the middle of the field, and some trajectory and distance on the occasional deep ball. He needs to do just enough to keep defenses honest. Right now, his timing is awful at leading receivers especially when there is even the slightest pressure. He consistently underthrows deep balls. He still locks onto the primary receiver. Doesn't seem to have awareness of the entire field.

I think we all want our best quarterback to play. If that's Ridder I'm 100% behind him. But he needs to get better if we're going to take this to the next level or we'll find ourselves behind Memphis in the standings again next year...maybe behind UCF as well. As long as we're in the G5, I want us to dominate. We're not going to dominate without a better and more consistent passing game.

(01-03-2020 04:15 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Ben Bryant threw two great balls that were dropped by Tre Tucker.

Tre needs to learn to stop doing 360s at the end of routes. That was strange.

(01-03-2020 04:24 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 03:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 03:08 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I watched it. How many balls did he throw over the middle? I'll wait this time. He's a very poor inaccurate passer. It's really tough to rebut that. Sure he can throw it kinda hard sometimes, but who cares. His coordinator takes away a 1/3 of the field from him, for that reason. Consider that his best target is a TE, it should scream to you that it's a known issue.

Running QBs get hurt offten. It's why they don't stick around in the NFL too long. It can work for the short term, but it's a poor long term plan, especially when the offense is built and recruited for a more traditional system.

His ball to Deguara was over the middle on a short post route. Deguara slipped and fell.

We're talking about college not pros.

Having Ridder on the team didn't seem to impact recruiting in the least.

Maybe our wide receivers aren't the best route runners or can get separation enough.

It's clear you're stuck in replace Ridder mode. No problem. You're opinion. What you and everyone else who feels the same way is not answering is who replaces him on the roster? I trust our staff to evaluate the players and to determine who gives us the best chance to win. Ridder wins. Period. Ben Bryant? WHo knows? As I posted upstream, he'll get his chance to prove he can do it but thus far he hasn't.

Teams win, not Quarterbacks.

No shat. You know what I meant. The QB is the key position on the whole team, no? Are we not going to credit Ridder with wins now? But, he gets all the flak when the team does not play well or there is a loss. How many losses does the team have when he has been under center? Nah, doesn't matter. Let's just replace him.

(01-03-2020 03:35 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Well I will disagree with you on his performance yesterday. He can be justly criticized for his problems this year but he was very effective in hitting the passes to keep our drives going yesterday. You don't need 25 yard completions on 3rd and five situations. On his deep throws Deguara definitely ran a bad route on the one and the other he overthrew a receiver who was in double coverage. Wish he had done that in the second Memphis game on the interception that hurt us.

In a vacuum you can break down a few individual throws to keep drives going which did look good. But a starting QB for a program that aspires to be a top 25 team cannot make 25 throws for less than 4 yards a throw. If our starting QB is a Navy caliber thrower we need to run a Navy style offense. An engaged motivated top 50 team could have stuffed the box on us and we would have been in a USF type game.

And just because the announcer said Deguara ran a poor route doesn't mean it's true. Looked to be a standard post route that was thrown behind the receiver.



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(01-03-2020 04:34 PM)applegbt Wrote:  None of us know for sure whether or not Bryant is the answer at quarterback. What is certain, in my opinion, is that our quarterback play has to get better. Ridder doesn't need to be great at throwing the ball. With his running ability, he just needs to be average. He needs to be able to hit short timing routes, crossing routes over the middle of the field, and some trajectory and distance on the occasional deep ball. He needs to do just enough to keep defenses honest. Right now, his timing is awful at leading receivers especially when there is even the slightest pressure. He consistently underthrows deep balls. He still locks onto the primary receiver. Doesn't seem to have awareness of the entire field.

I think we all want our best quarterback to play. If that's Ridder I'm 100% behind him. But he needs to get better if we're going to take this to the next level or we'll find ourselves behind Memphis in the standings again next year...maybe behind UCF as well. As long as we're in the G5, I want us to dominate. We're not going to dominate without a better and more consistent passing game.

This is the correct outlook. I just don't see a 3rd year player who hasn't made any improvements in 25 starts all of a sudden making a huge improvement to even a mediocre passer. We can't be a NY6 caliber team unless we can get him to an average passer and there's no reason to think he's got the talent to do so. 25 starts in it's likely you're looking at what he is.



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(01-03-2020 05:11 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 04:24 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 03:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 03:08 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I watched it. How many balls did he throw over the middle? I'll wait this time. He's a very poor inaccurate passer. It's really tough to rebut that. Sure he can throw it kinda hard sometimes, but who cares. His coordinator takes away a 1/3 of the field from him, for that reason. Consider that his best target is a TE, it should scream to you that it's a known issue.

Running QBs get hurt offten. It's why they don't stick around in the NFL too long. It can work for the short term, but it's a poor long term plan, especially when the offense is built and recruited for a more traditional system.

His ball to Deguara was over the middle on a short post route. Deguara slipped and fell.

We're talking about college not pros.

Having Ridder on the team didn't seem to impact recruiting in the least.

Maybe our wide receivers aren't the best route runners or can get separation enough.

It's clear you're stuck in replace Ridder mode. No problem. You're opinion. What you and everyone else who feels the same way is not answering is who replaces him on the roster? I trust our staff to evaluate the players and to determine who gives us the best chance to win. Ridder wins. Period. Ben Bryant? WHo knows? As I posted upstream, he'll get his chance to prove he can do it but thus far he hasn't.

Teams win, not Quarterbacks.

No shat. You know what I meant. The QB is the key position on the whole team, no? Are we not going to credit Ridder with wins now? But, he gets all the flak when the team does not play well or there is a loss. How many losses does the team have when he has been under center? Nah, doesn't matter. Let's just replace him.

No, I don’t know what you meant. You put a record next to a QB. He has the probably the best Defense/Running game in the conference. I don’t know why he gets credit for that. Put him on UConn and what’s his record?


He’s been ok at best, most of the time. When he plays below that, I think it’s worth discussion. He’s the clear weak link.

I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

(01-03-2020 06:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

For the last time genius, tell me who replaces him next season? You conveniently don't say anything about the other QB's on the roster or what they bring to the table. Why? Because there isn't enough data/film/game experience for a fan to make an informed decision. But, Ben Bryant throws a few passes and he's the savior to take our team to a NY6 bowl. Tell me that you don't trust our staff to evaluate players and have competition each year to determine who the best, starting QB is? Tell me that a guy who has helped his team win an overwhelming majority of games the past two years doesn't matter at all in the decision making process? Tell me it doesn't matter that his teammates support and trust him? You can't accept facts or reality because you don't want Ridder as the starter. If there is someone who can beat him out - and it hasn't happened the past two years - then have at it.

(01-03-2020 07:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 06:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

For the last time genius, tell me who replaces him next season? You conveniently don't say anything about the other QB's on the roster or what they bring to the table. Why? Because there isn't enough data/film/game experience for a fan to make an informed decision. But, Ben Bryant throws a few passes and he's the savior to take our team to a NY6 bowl. Tell me that you don't trust our staff to evaluate players and have competition each year to determine who the best, starting QB is? Tell me that a guy who has helped his team win an overwhelming majority of games the past two years doesn't matter at all in the decision making process? Tell me it doesn't matter that his teammates support and trust him? You can't accept facts or reality because you don't want Ridder as the starter. If there is someone who can beat him out - and it hasn't happened the past two years - then have at it.

If you trust our staff then you also have to trust that they recruited these QB’s for a reason. Trusting the staff works both ways when it comes to evaluating and recruiting.

If Bryant isn’t the answer, he’s not the only QB on the roster. There has to be a QB that gives us a better chance at taking the next step as a program.

(01-03-2020 07:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 06:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

For the last time genius, tell me who replaces him next season? You conveniently don't say anything about the other QB's on the roster or what they bring to the table. Why? Because there isn't enough data/film/game experience for a fan to make an informed decision. But, Ben Bryant throws a few passes and he's the savior to take our team to a NY6 bowl. Tell me that you don't trust our staff to evaluate players and have competition each year to determine who the best, starting QB is? Tell me that a guy who has helped his team win an overwhelming majority of games the past two years doesn't matter at all in the decision making process? Tell me it doesn't matter that his teammates support and trust him? You can't accept facts or reality because you don't want Ridder as the starter. If there is someone who can beat him out - and it hasn't happened the past two years - then have at it.

I think some people here would be happier if we averaged 300 yds passing a game even if we probably would have a few less wins. That was not the make-up of this team this year and Ridder was our best option. We played a beautiful ball control game yesterday constantly running the ball down BC's throats and we complain about not averaging enough per completion. I tend to think our coaches prefer winning and attempt to put out the line-up and game plan they feel will accomplish that.

(01-03-2020 07:46 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 07:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 06:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

For the last time genius, tell me who replaces him next season? You conveniently don't say anything about the other QB's on the roster or what they bring to the table. Why? Because there isn't enough data/film/game experience for a fan to make an informed decision. But, Ben Bryant throws a few passes and he's the savior to take our team to a NY6 bowl. Tell me that you don't trust our staff to evaluate players and have competition each year to determine who the best, starting QB is? Tell me that a guy who has helped his team win an overwhelming majority of games the past two years doesn't matter at all in the decision making process? Tell me it doesn't matter that his teammates support and trust him? You can't accept facts or reality because you don't want Ridder as the starter. If there is someone who can beat him out - and it hasn't happened the past two years - then have at it.

I think some people here would be happier if we averaged 300 yds passing a game even if we probably would have a few less wins. That was not the make-up of this team this year and Ridder was our best option. We played a beautiful ball control game yesterday constantly running the ball down BC's throats and we complain about not averaging enough per completion. I tend to think our coaches prefer winning and attempt to put out the line-up and game plan they feel will accomplish that.

The Ritter run offense is very capable of beating most mediocre to good teams. If we hope to have any breakout wins against top 10 teams or fall behind against upper echelon AAC teams this offense doesn't have a chance. We have to be able to open it up and throw downfield. When UC played TOSU with Gunner Kiel and Chris Moore we were competitive for most of the game. To think we can control the line of scrimmage and run it down the throats of top 10 teams is ludicrous. I am all for giving Ben Bryant a legitimate chance with the first string lineup.

I might also add that a few of our wins were closer than they should have been this year.

(01-03-2020 07:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 06:51 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I keep giving legit reasons why he needs replaced. You come back at with me with QB record and Jim Rome type snack talk. If you can explain to me how it makes sense to stick with a guy that can’t be allowed to throw to the middle of the field and gets hurt consistently by running too much, please do. Yes, he threw one layup ball, on a gimmick play, that fell incomplete.

For the last time genius, tell me who replaces him next season? You conveniently don't say anything about the other QB's on the roster or what they bring to the table. Why? Because there isn't enough data/film/game experience for a fan to make an informed decision. But, Ben Bryant throws a few passes and he's the savior to take our team to a NY6 bowl. Tell me that you don't trust our staff to evaluate players and have competition each year to determine who the best, starting QB is? Tell me that a guy who has helped his team win an overwhelming majority of games the past two years doesn't matter at all in the decision making process? Tell me it doesn't matter that his teammates support and trust him? You can't accept facts or reality because you don't want Ridder as the starter. If there is someone who can beat him out - and it hasn't happened the past two years - then have at it.

So we’ve devolved into name calling. I’m a little surprised by your behavior, to be honest. I’m guessing the staff was going with the known vs the unknown. They trusted the back up to throw the ball over the middle, but not the starter. Doesn’t that tell you absolutely everything you need to know about Ridders passing ability, which is what started this whole back and forth? I gave you a name. If you disagree that’s fine, but to go on some stupid rant saying I never gave you a name was confusing at best.

I’ve also watched Prater in person. He throws a great ball, and runs as wells as Ridder does.

So many times I've read a poster claim about name calling then go back and can't figure out where the supposed name calling took place.

(01-03-2020 08:48 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So many times I've read a poster claim about name calling then go back and can't figure out where the supposed name calling took place.

He ironically called me a genius, implying that I’m stupid. Swap genius for tard and his sentence has the same meaning.

UCGrad1992, don't call another poster a genius or I'll have to use my MOD powers to take you down.

(01-03-2020 09:09 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  UCGrad1992, don't call another poster a genius or I'll have to use my MOD powers to take you down.

I never asked anyone to do anything about it, Mark. Just pointing out that he devolved his debate to calling me dumb. Although, If calling people stupid is G2G, I’ll keep that in my pocket for the future.