Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with current roster/incoming recruits we have now.
(01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
(01-03-2020 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
Is Prater known to have exceptional speed or just a gifted runner like Ridder? He plays in the All American game tomorrow, hope to watch some of his performance.
(01-03-2020 10:42 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
Is Prater known to have exceptional speed or just a gifted runner like Ridder? He plays in the All American game tomorrow, hope to watch some of his performance.
He's got Des running ability with a stronger and more accurate arm. The scouts have been enamored with him at the camp and it looks like he is slotted as the #4 QB in the country right now.
(01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with current roster/incoming recruits we have now.
Great character, leader, and a very solid QB. With that said, I don't think he is a guy that would take us to the next level either.
IMO, not worth the possibility of upsetting the current talent in QB room as well as maybe the overall team moral.
He is a bit less of a running threat and just a bit of a better passer than Ridder from my eye test.
The position should be Ridder's to lose, but if he doesn't show improvement in passing game then Bryant deserves a fair shot at the job. Also, I think some of the issue is the flipping play calling. How about some slants, post, and routes over the middle. Everything seems to be an out or pass towards the sideline.
Any good program needs multiple QBs. Go back a dozen years when we used four QBs. With that being said, I think there will be a QB battle in Spring and Camp between Bryant and Ridder. Bryant obviously has the stronger arm and is the better passer. Ridder however needs to be on the field. I think he brings a lot to the table with his running ability. I’d utilize him at slot receiver if he’s not the QB.
Prater will likely redshirt and then there will be another battle in 2021. If Ramsey comes in, it will indeed be a crowded QB room.
(01-03-2020 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
Is Peyton Ramsey coming to UC an actual thing or is this just wishful thinking from my fellow Elder fans? I think Peyton would be an upgrade over Des right now (Des is a better runner but Peyton is a far better passer), but that doesn't mean he can win the starting job given the experience in the system and trust Des has built up with the coaching staff.
I'm a fan of keeping as much talent on the field as possible and if Des has interest in moving to WR that could be very interesting. However, I think this is just video game-type fantasies that we're throwing out right now. I'm just going to bask in the glow of another very successful season for now and let everything else figure itself out later.
(01-03-2020 10:42 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
Is Prater known to have exceptional speed or just a gifted runner like Ridder? He plays in the All American game tomorrow, hope to watch some of his performance.
I guess I misunderstood what I was watching last night. What's the difference in the Under Armour All American game and the All-American Bowl that Prater is playing in?
That being said, I am curious to see how Prater plays against top level competition. I am HIGHLY suspect of his skills considering the level of player(s) he's played against. I know this has been bantered about before, but what was the level of Ridder's HS in Louisville compared to Prater? Div IV is pretty low level. I'd say that is one of the main reasons the big schools didn't go after him.
(01-03-2020 12:06 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:42 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 10:22 AM)ThreeRiversKing Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can argue about Des Ridder's record. His excellent running has led us to many wins, his passing not so much.
For UC to make the leap to top 15 status I feel we also need strong passing.
Whichever Qb has the better passing acumen this spring so be it.
Rumblings from the west side have been that Peyton Ramsey might be looking into becoming a grad transfer to UC.
Your thoughts?
I think we are solid with what we have now.
Wow... with Ridder, Bryant, Evan Prater, and even the Lindhauer kid (who from what I hear is pretty good in his own right) he would be facing a extremely tough room to break into.
Is Prater known to have exceptional speed or just a gifted runner like Ridder? He plays in the All American game tomorrow, hope to watch some of his performance.
I guess I misunderstood what I was watching last night. What's the difference in the Under Armour All American game and the All-American Bowl that Prater is playing in?
That being said, I am curious to see how Prater plays against top level competition. I am HIGHLY suspect of his skills considering the level of player(s) he's played against. I know this has been bantered about before, but what was the level of Ridder's HS in Louisville compared to Prater? Div IV is pretty low level. I'd say that is one of the main reasons the big schools didn't go after him.
Ironically I think playing DIV HS football has kept him from completely blowing up (which apparently now he has). Basically he just ran the ball the whole time at Wyoming, not having the receivers and at the same time being so effective at the run he didn't have to throw the ball. Had he played at Moeller, Elder or St. X schools would have came at him much harder.
Des played at Louisville St. X, which is in the highest classification in Kentucky. He didn't throw the ball much either, as they ran the option.
I have to ask the question, does Ridder have a future as a wr in professional fball? He hasn't shown the accuracy to be an Nfl qb, but his running ability in the open field and hands are very, very good. It's not to late turn the completion issues around, but with his size, he looks to me to be at least a "look see" as a wr at the pro level.
It's Ridder's job until someone can unseat him as the starting QB. He's earned it on the field. I can't believe the staff won't give every opportunity to Bryant or whomever to challenge and push Dez in the Spring and see who rises to the top. I'll throw a name out there, and please everyone, don't have a cow - Lamar Jackson. He did pretty well as a running QB completing less than 60 percent of his passes at Lousiville. Dez and Lamar are similarly built and while Dez is not straight up as fast as Lamar, Dez has gifted open field running ability and is faster than he appears with his long, gliding strides. If no one can beat out Dez [very likely] then I think this staff should play to his strengths with more running/option plays and calling for passes that he can make or be more consistent with. He throws a nice ball overall but struggles at times down the field. To me, he still doesn't look 100% healed on that shoulder. It may be he comes back next season throwing the ball better. That said, groom him a bit differently schematically and that could be the element that puts us over the top next season. You also figure our OL just got a major upgrade in the kid James "The Stud" Hudson so that can have a positive effect on our QB play.
(01-03-2020 12:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]It's Ridder's job until someone can unseat him as the starting QB. He's earned it on the field. I can't believe the staff won't give every opportunity to Bryant or whomever to challenge and push Dez in the Spring and see who rises to the top. I'll throw a name out there, and please everyone, don't have a cow - Lamar Jackson. He did pretty well as a running QB completing less than 60 percent of his passes at Lousiville. Dez and Lamar are similarly built and while Dez is not straight up as fast as Lamar, Dez has gifted open field running ability and is faster than he appears with his long, gliding strides. If no one can beat out Dez [very likely] then I think this staff should play to his strengths with more running/option plays and calling for passes that he can make or be more consistent with. He throws a nice ball overall but struggles at times down the field. To me, he still doesn't look 100% healed on that shoulder. It may be he comes back next season throwing the ball better. That said, groom him a bit differently schematically and that could be the element that puts us over the top next season. You also figure our OL just got a major upgrade in the kid James "The Stud" Hudson so that can have a positive effect on our QB play.
This is incorrect. They don't allow him to throw the ball over the middle. There is a reason for that. Unless they are switching to a double option, he needs to be replaced. If they are going to change the offense, all the high rated TEs they recruited, wasted. The receivers, they basically would have lied to, because they are now blockers. It would also be hard to recruit new receivers running the double option, or the two person wild cat, or whatever you want to call it. Its a bad deal all around. He needs to be replaced.
(01-03-2020 02:25 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 12:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]It's Ridder's job until someone can unseat him as the starting QB. He's earned it on the field. I can't believe the staff won't give every opportunity to Bryant or whomever to challenge and push Dez in the Spring and see who rises to the top. I'll throw a name out there, and please everyone, don't have a cow - Lamar Jackson. He did pretty well as a running QB completing less than 60 percent of his passes at Lousiville. Dez and Lamar are similarly built and while Dez is not straight up as fast as Lamar, Dez has gifted open field running ability and is faster than he appears with his long, gliding strides. If no one can beat out Dez [very likely] then I think this staff should play to his strengths with more running/option plays and calling for passes that he can make or be more consistent with. He throws a nice ball overall but struggles at times down the field. To me, he still doesn't look 100% healed on that shoulder. It may be he comes back next season throwing the ball better. That said, groom him a bit differently schematically and that could be the element that puts us over the top next season. You also figure our OL just got a major upgrade in the kid James "The Stud" Hudson so that can have a positive effect on our QB play.
This is incorrect. They don't allow him to throw the ball over the middle. There is a reason for that. Unless they are switching to a double option, he needs to be replaced. If they are going to change the offense, all the high rated TEs they recruited, wasted. The receivers, they basically would have lied to, because they are now blockers. It would also be hard to recruit new receivers running the double option, or the two person wild cat, or whatever you want to call it. Its a bad deal all around. He needs to be replaced.
I'm glad you're not the coach. Seriously, where did I say that we should abandon the passing game? Adapt the offense, tweak it, whatever word you want to use. Replace him with who? Who has beaten him out at the position? I'm waiting...
(01-03-2020 02:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 02:25 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 12:34 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]It's Ridder's job until someone can unseat him as the starting QB. He's earned it on the field. I can't believe the staff won't give every opportunity to Bryant or whomever to challenge and push Dez in the Spring and see who rises to the top. I'll throw a name out there, and please everyone, don't have a cow - Lamar Jackson. He did pretty well as a running QB completing less than 60 percent of his passes at Lousiville. Dez and Lamar are similarly built and while Dez is not straight up as fast as Lamar, Dez has gifted open field running ability and is faster than he appears with his long, gliding strides. If no one can beat out Dez [very likely] then I think this staff should play to his strengths with more running/option plays and calling for passes that he can make or be more consistent with. He throws a nice ball overall but struggles at times down the field. To me, he still doesn't look 100% healed on that shoulder. It may be he comes back next season throwing the ball better. That said, groom him a bit differently schematically and that could be the element that puts us over the top next season. You also figure our OL just got a major upgrade in the kid James "The Stud" Hudson so that can have a positive effect on our QB play.
This is incorrect. They don't allow him to throw the ball over the middle. There is a reason for that. Unless they are switching to a double option, he needs to be replaced. If they are going to change the offense, all the high rated TEs they recruited, wasted. The receivers, they basically would have lied to, because they are now blockers. It would also be hard to recruit new receivers running the double option, or the two person wild cat, or whatever you want to call it. Its a bad deal all around. He needs to be replaced.
I'm glad you're not the coach. Seriously, where did I say that we should abandon the passing game? Adapt the offense, tweak it, whatever word you want to use. Replace him with who? Who has beaten him out at the position? I'm waiting...
I'm not saying you did. I'm saying if you want him to be the QB, moving forward, it would only be smart to make the offense work for him, since he plays the most important position. He throws the football very poorly. So him doing that less, is probably better for the team.
What are you waiting for, you just posted? If you are asking for my opinion, I think Ben Bryant looked a lot better than Dez ever has. I know that statement has holes in it. I don't really care how well my QB runs. I like my QB throwing. You mentioned his injuries. Well, those probably aren't going away, because well.. he has to continue to run to be effective. Therfore, the injuries will continue to pile up. That's kinda how that works. To move even past that, now when you bring in one of the back ups, you have to change the offense on the fly, because they are real QBs.
(01-03-2020 02:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 02:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm glad you're not the coach. Seriously, where did I say that we should abandon the passing game? Adapt the offense, tweak it, whatever word you want to use. Replace him with who? Who has beaten him out at the position? I'm waiting...
I'm not saying you did. I'm saying if you want him to be the QB, moving forward, it would only be smart to make the offense work for him, since he plays the most important position. He throws the football very poorly. So him doing that less, is probably better for the team.
What are you waiting for, you just posted? If you are asking for my opinion, I think Ben Bryant looked a lot better than Dez ever has. I know that statement has holes in it. I don't really care how well my QB runs. I like my QB throwing. You mentioned his injuries. Well, those probably aren't going away, because well.. he has to continue to run to be effective. Therfore, the injuries will continue to pile up. That's kinda how that works. To move even past that, now when you bring in one of the back ups, you have to change the offense on the fly, because they are real QBs.
Did you watch the game last night? He made some nice throws with zip on the ball. He had a TD pass thrown if Deguara doesn't slip and fall down inside the red zone. If you think he can't throw or pass well then I can't help you with this any further. They can tweak the offense to best suit his strengths and that includes passing. Until someone else can step up and beat him out he's our starting QB. He's been pretty damn successful for the past two seasons. Has he been elite? No. I'm still waiting for an elite QB on this roster to take over.....
(01-03-2020 02:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 02:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2020 02:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm glad you're not the coach. Seriously, where did I say that we should abandon the passing game? Adapt the offense, tweak it, whatever word you want to use. Replace him with who? Who has beaten him out at the position? I'm waiting...
I'm not saying you did. I'm saying if you want him to be the QB, moving forward, it would only be smart to make the offense work for him, since he plays the most important position. He throws the football very poorly. So him doing that less, is probably better for the team.
What are you waiting for, you just posted? If you are asking for my opinion, I think Ben Bryant looked a lot better than Dez ever has. I know that statement has holes in it. I don't really care how well my QB runs. I like my QB throwing. You mentioned his injuries. Well, those probably aren't going away, because well.. he has to continue to run to be effective. Therfore, the injuries will continue to pile up. That's kinda how that works. To move even past that, now when you bring in one of the back ups, you have to change the offense on the fly, because they are real QBs.
Did you watch the game last night? He made some nice throws with zip on the ball. He had a TD pass thrown if Deguara doesn't slip and fall down inside the red zone. If you think he can't throw or pass well then I can't help you with this any further. They can tweak the offense to best suit his strengths and that includes passing. Until someone else can step up and beat him out he's our starting QB. He's been pretty damn successful for the past two seasons. Has he been elite? No. I'm still waiting for an elite QB on this roster to take over.....
I watched it. How many balls did he throw over the middle? I'll wait this time. He's a very poor inaccurate passer. It's really tough to rebut that. Sure he can throw it kinda hard sometimes, but who cares. His coordinator takes away a 1/3 of the field from him, for that reason. Consider that his best target is a TE, it should scream to you that it's a known issue.
Running QBs get hurt offten. It's why they don't stick around in the NFL too long. It can work for the short term, but it's a poor long term plan, especially when the offense is built and recruited for a more traditional system.
Ritter had to throw the ball 24 times yesterday in order to gain 94 yards. That should tell anyone that his passing is both inefficient and ineffective. We had multiple receivers with 1 or 2 catches for a total of 3-7 yards. I recall Ritter trying two deep throws, neither of which was anywhere close to the intended receiver.
He threw one really strong out to the left side the other day but he struggles on crossing routes and with throwing a step behind guys on out routes. Rarely hits receivers in stride. He’s got a strong arm at times but too often he has no zip on the ball. Perhaps that is the flippy mechanics he has.
He does a lot of good things but you are probably not going to win individual plays consistently enough against good teams with his arm.
(01-03-2020 03:22 PM)vabearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Ritter had to throw the ball 24 times yesterday in order to gain 94 yards. That should tell anyone that his passing is both inefficient and ineffective. We had multiple receivers with 1 or 2 catches for a total of 3-7 yards. I recall Ritter trying two deep throws, neither of which was anywhere close to the intended receiver.
Well I will disagree with you on his performance yesterday. He can be justly criticized for his problems this year but he was very effective in hitting the passes to keep our drives going yesterday. You don't need 25 yard completions on 3rd and five situations. On his deep throws Deguara definitely ran a bad route on the one and the other he overthrew a receiver who was in double coverage. Wish he had done that in the second Memphis game on the interception that hurt us.