(01-02-2020 03:41 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Well, this CAN'T be the "official" thread, right? I mean, the op doesn't have channel info, kickoff time info, team records, etc...
You joke, but look at SMU's "game thread" and then look at the final score...
(01-03-2020 08:20 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Well they wont go again to a big bowl now that they aren't in the big east circle jerk. We took that from them.
They weren't going to a big bowl back then either. The best teams in the Big East from 2005-2012 by far were West Virginia, UC and Louisville.
Round that back to 2011 (since WVU didn't play in the Big East in 2012), and there are some interesting things if you add up total wins (or even conference wins). You're right that WVU was tops (37 Big East wins, 70 total wins) and Cincinnati was second (30 Big East wins, 59 total wins). Without looking it up, can you guess who was #3? (and no, this isn't a veiled USF thing - we were 21 Big East, 53 total wins). Here's a hint - Louisville wasn't third in either Big East wins or total wins (categories held by two different teams).
Oh, and bringing up the rear by a long shot during that time frame was Syracuse with 9 Big East wins and 27 total wins. Lest anybody think that football success was the primary driver of expansion/realignment...
USFFan
Regarding your last sentence, there is a vast difference between the BigX adding teams, and US adding teams. I'm sure that was not your intended implication, but I thought it bared pointing out.
I was implying that football success is not the primary driver of expansion/realignment. As many are fond to point out, USF was offered a spot in the Big East without demonstrating any significant football success. Syracuse was offered a spot in the ACC while unquestionably the worst performing team in the last iteration of the Big East. Do you think Rutgers and Maryland were offered B1G spots based on football success?
(01-03-2020 10:13 AM)shere khan Wrote: Well they wont go again to a big bowl now that they aren't in the big east circle jerk. We took that from them.
They weren't going to a big bowl back then either. The best teams in the Big East from 2005-2012 by far were West Virginia, UC and Louisville.
Round that back to 2011 (since WVU didn't play in the Big East in 2012), and there are some interesting things if you add up total wins (or even conference wins). You're right that WVU was tops (37 Big East wins, 70 total wins) and Cincinnati was second (30 Big East wins, 59 total wins). Without looking it up, can you guess who was #3? (and no, this isn't a veiled USF thing - we were 21 Big East, 53 total wins). Here's a hint - Louisville wasn't third in either Big East wins or total wins (categories held by two different teams).
Oh, and bringing up the rear by a long shot during that time frame was Syracuse with 9 Big East wins and 27 total wins. Lest anybody think that football success was the primary driver of expansion/realignment...
USFFan
Regarding your last sentence, there is a vast difference between the BigX adding teams, and US adding teams. I'm sure that was not your intended implication, but I thought it bared pointing out.
I was implying that football success is not the primary driver of expansion/realignment. As many are fond to point out, USF was offered a spot in the Big East without demonstrating any significant football success. Syracuse was offered a spot in the ACC while unquestionably the worst performing team in the last iteration of the Big East. Do you think Rutgers and Maryland were offered B1G spots based on football success?
USFFan
USFFan is correct. The answer is that each conference has had different reasons to expand at different times. The ACC's raid of the Big East was intended to a) blow up that conference and b) was for basketball. The ACC was jealous of the BE success. Conversely, the B10 added Rutgers and Maryland for TV markets, not for on the field/court success. The BXII added WVU and TCU to fulfill their media contracts, and UT wanted another Texas school to be their ally in the conference.
(01-02-2020 09:32 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Well they wont go again to a big bowl now that they aren't in the big east circle jerk. We took that from them.
They weren't going to a big bowl back then either. The best teams in the Big East from 2005-2012 by far were West Virginia, UC and Louisville.
Round that back to 2011 (since WVU didn't play in the Big East in 2012), and there are some interesting things if you add up total wins (or even conference wins). You're right that WVU was tops (37 Big East wins, 70 total wins) and Cincinnati was second (30 Big East wins, 59 total wins). Without looking it up, can you guess who was #3? (and no, this isn't a veiled USF thing - we were 21 Big East, 53 total wins). Here's a hint - Louisville wasn't third in either Big East wins or total wins (categories held by two different teams).
Oh, and bringing up the rear by a long shot during that time frame was Syracuse with 9 Big East wins and 27 total wins. Lest anybody think that football success was the primary driver of expansion/realignment...
USFFan
To pay this off - Pitt had the third most Big East wins during that 2005-2011 time frame (28), and Rutgers had the third most overall wins (56). I would have bet good money that it was Louisville, who finished with the fifth most conference wins (24, also behind Rutgers) and fifth most overall wins (50, also behind USF).
(01-03-2020 08:20 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote: Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Well they wont go again to a big bowl now that they aren't in the big east circle jerk. We took that from them.
They weren't going to a big bowl back then either. The best teams in the Big East from 2005-2012 by far were West Virginia, UC and Louisville.
Round that back to 2011 (since WVU didn't play in the Big East in 2012), and there are some interesting things if you add up total wins (or even conference wins). You're right that WVU was tops (37 Big East wins, 70 total wins) and Cincinnati was second (30 Big East wins, 59 total wins). Without looking it up, can you guess who was #3? (and no, this isn't a veiled USF thing - we were 21 Big East, 53 total wins). Here's a hint - Louisville wasn't third in either Big East wins or total wins (categories held by two different teams).
Oh, and bringing up the rear by a long shot during that time frame was Syracuse with 9 Big East wins and 27 total wins. Lest anybody think that football success was the primary driver of expansion/realignment...
USFFan
To pay this off - Pitt had the third most Big East wins during that 2005-2011 time frame (28), and Rutgers had the third most overall wins (56). I would have bet good money that it was Louisville, who finished with the fifth most conference wins (24, also behind Rutgers) and fifth most overall wins (50, also behind USF).
USFFan
I didn't answer (honestly I misread your question). Yes Louisville was not third overall-- they were bad from 2007-2009 but rebounded with a 7-6 season in 2010. They were good in 2011-13. Its funny but media quickly spun they were elite and UC was mediocre starting in 2011 (even though UC continued to win in 2011-2013).
Pitt had a lot of wins, but they crapped the bed a lot-- losing WTF games against Bowling Green, Ohio University, a bad Oregon State team in the Sun Bowl (remember the 3-0 game?). Rutgers had their best years in school history from 2005-2012. They were solid-- not good enough to win the league but very solid.
(01-03-2020 02:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: When you get your butt kicked this is how the presser goes [pass the kleenex]...
WTH, only one guy asked questions during the interview? No local media, nobody from any BC fan site, no reporters from Boston, ESPN, SI, etc.? Did they bring this guy with them from Boston?
By contrast I listened to the UC post-game press conference which was twice as long and there were several different voices from reporters.
(01-02-2020 07:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: I know the weather killed the attendance but does anyone know know how many people Cincy brought to the game? Did they outdo BC?
We brought a few thousand, which isn't great by our standards, but it would have only taken a 15-passenger van full to outdo BC.
Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Can't speak for Pitt and BC but...well I can speak for BC () yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
I was at the Champs Bowl last year and Syracuse traveled at least 20K (we outdrew WVU ) to friggin Orlando. Cuse has travelled well over the last decade. The Pinstripe Bowls had at least 15K each time. The Texas Bowl with a 6-6 team was the only poor turnout with only a few thousand. For most schools: distance, desirability of locale/weather, team record and opponent all play big in how many fans travel.
(01-02-2020 07:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: I know the weather killed the attendance but does anyone know know how many people Cincy brought to the game? Did they outdo BC?
We brought a few thousand, which isn't great by our standards, but it would have only taken a 15-passenger van full to outdo BC.
Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Can't speak for Pitt and BC but...well I can speak for BC () yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
I was at the Champs Bowl last year and Syracuse traveled at least 20K (we outdrew WVU ) to friggin Orlando. Cuse has travelled well over the last decade. The Pinstripe Bowls had at least 15K each time. The Texas Bowl with a 6-6 team was the only poor turnout with only a few thousand. For most schools: distance, desirability of locale/weather, team record and opponent all play big in how many fans travel.
Considering that 'Cuse calls itself "New York's Team," and the Pinstripe was created by the BE to cater to Syracuse and uconn, you had better "travel" well to that game. Notice, I intentionally put "travel" in quotes for what is a game played in your backyard...
Travel usually implies "going somewhere..." like...oh, say...Texas.
(01-02-2020 08:33 PM)geef Wrote: We brought a few thousand, which isn't great by our standards, but it would have only taken a 15-passenger van full to outdo BC.
Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Can't speak for Pitt and BC but...well I can speak for BC () yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
I was at the Champs Bowl last year and Syracuse traveled at least 20K (we outdrew WVU ) to friggin Orlando. Cuse has travelled well over the last decade. The Pinstripe Bowls had at least 15K each time. The Texas Bowl with a 6-6 team was the only poor turnout with only a few thousand. For most schools: distance, desirability of locale/weather, team record and opponent all play big in how many fans travel.
Considering that 'Cuse calls itself "New York's Team," and the Pinstripe was created by the BE to cater to Syracuse and uconn, you had better "travel" well to that game. Notice, I intentionally put "travel" in quotes for what is a game played in your backyard...
Travel usually implies "going somewhere..." like...oh, say...Texas.
Syracuse is 240 miles from NYC...not exactly local
I can tell you we sent more to Texas than your friends and family bowl game in Bama. This despite Birmingham being less than 7 hours by car.
You had a 10 win team to Bama we had a 6 win team Houston...that matters
(This post was last modified: 01-03-2020 09:09 PM by TexanMark.)
(01-02-2020 07:58 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote: I know the weather killed the attendance but does anyone know know how many people Cincy brought to the game? Did they outdo BC?
We brought a few thousand, which isn't great by our standards, but it would have only taken a 15-passenger van full to outdo BC.
Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Can't speak for Pitt and BC but...well I can speak for BC () yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
I was at the Champs Bowl last year and Syracuse traveled at least 20K (we outdrew WVU ) to friggin Orlando. Cuse has travelled well over the last decade. The Pinstripe Bowls had at least 15K each time. The Texas Bowl with a 6-6 team was the only poor turnout with only a few thousand. For most schools: distance, desirability of locale/weather, team record and opponent all play big in how many fans travel.
You bring up your school going to Orlando and compare it to going to Birmingham for a bowl game. Well played.
(01-03-2020 10:13 AM)shere khan Wrote: Well they wont go again to a big bowl now that they aren't in the big east circle jerk. We took that from them.
They weren't going to a big bowl back then either. The best teams in the Big East from 2005-2012 by far were West Virginia, UC and Louisville.
Round that back to 2011 (since WVU didn't play in the Big East in 2012), and there are some interesting things if you add up total wins (or even conference wins). You're right that WVU was tops (37 Big East wins, 70 total wins) and Cincinnati was second (30 Big East wins, 59 total wins). Without looking it up, can you guess who was #3? (and no, this isn't a veiled USF thing - we were 21 Big East, 53 total wins). Here's a hint - Louisville wasn't third in either Big East wins or total wins (categories held by two different teams).
Oh, and bringing up the rear by a long shot during that time frame was Syracuse with 9 Big East wins and 27 total wins. Lest anybody think that football success was the primary driver of expansion/realignment...
USFFan
Regarding your last sentence, there is a vast difference between the BigX adding teams, and US adding teams. I'm sure that was not your intended implication, but I thought it bared pointing out.
I was implying that football success is not the primary driver of expansion/realignment. As many are fond to point out, USF was offered a spot in the Big East without demonstrating any significant football success. Syracuse was offered a spot in the ACC while unquestionably the worst performing team in the last iteration of the Big East. Do you think Rutgers and Maryland were offered B1G spots based on football success?
USFFan
The bolded highlights my point. USF was offered a spot in the BigEast. The BigEast was a BCS conference. Same with Rutgers to the BigX, etc. They don't HAVE to worry about BECOMING a [Power] conference. They already ARE. We have to be extremely picky if our goal is to become a legit P6 in 2026.
(01-02-2020 08:33 PM)geef Wrote: We brought a few thousand, which isn't great by our standards, but it would have only taken a 15-passenger van full to outdo BC.
Great job. It seemed like one of the things people used to hold against the big east was bowl attendance figures. It seems that our fans are traveling well compared to the opposing teams fans . Good job guys.
Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College... All three were known for extremely weak traveling fan bases in the old BE. The Gator Bowl and Orange Bowls in particular was public about trying to ditch their ties with the BE.
The irony is that Pitt, 'Cuse, and BC all got invited to the ACC...but I don't think they travel any better than they used to.
Can't speak for Pitt and BC but...well I can speak for BC () yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
I was at the Champs Bowl last year and Syracuse traveled at least 20K (we outdrew WVU ) to friggin Orlando. Cuse has travelled well over the last decade. The Pinstripe Bowls had at least 15K each time. The Texas Bowl with a 6-6 team was the only poor turnout with only a few thousand. For most schools: distance, desirability of locale/weather, team record and opponent all play big in how many fans travel.
You bring up your school going to Orlando and compare it to going to Birmingham for a bowl game. Well played.
I used it to illustrate that Jerry had a false narrative.
BTW, why did UCF travel so poorly to Tampa for the Gasparilla Bowl? Was it the date and time of the game?
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) yeah they are the worst traveling team in the ACC. Wake Forest is right there too.
