(12-08-2019 06:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Just a look at some of the bowl opponents of CUSA and the MAC

Marshall is playing UCF
La Tech is playing Miami
FAU is playing SMU

CMU plays SDSU
EMU is playing Pitt

Meanwhile App gets the CUSA runner up and UL gets an 8-5 G5 team. We've done fine in bowls so far but we really need to come out and make a strong statement to help us get better bowl tie-ins befitting the #3 G5 conference and not the pre-2013 Sun Belt.

Agreed. I'll look forward to pulling for all our conference mates the next couple of weeks. Although it will take more of an effort for some rather than others.

(12-08-2019 08:47 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  He's not wrong. This comes down to $$$. NOLA said they were keeping their golden goose and the rest was just words, I'm sure. Now push Gill for better bowl tie ins next year.

No one can blame the New Orleans Bowl for wanting App St to play in their bowl game. Some years the tie-ins work wonderfully, and some years they can really suck. This is just one of those sucky years for App St. And now they lose their HC. Man, what a crappy day for App fans. Believe it for not, I feel for you guys.

(12-08-2019 07:11 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  You know, App fans are making it really easy for me to wish them well in whatever endeavor they seek outside of this conference. You folks wanted in FBS. The Belt made a home for you and you've excelled. Now so many of the fans want to do is crap all over the folks who opened the door. It's not the conference's fault that the football hierarchy sucks. The Sun Belt didn't make it that way. It's just how it is. There are a lot of fans and teams that were fighting that situation long before you got here.

Everyone appreciates the FBS invite but it kind of IS the conferences fault that perception is so bad in the Sun Belt, because the sun belt looses so many P5 games. Now I do believe that we as a conference is better than CUSA and MAC but the rest of the world doesn't care and APP is taking a hit due to our affiliation.

Do you think there aren't a bunch of other teams in the same boat with you? Who do you think has been doing all the paddling before you got here? I understand the hurt. What you did was incredible but crapping on your conference mates isn't earning you any respect in or out of the conference.

(12-08-2019 08:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 08:43 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 08:19 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  The only part of this that makes the App fans look bad is, there was never any real chance they were going to another bowl once the conference only had 5 team eligible. they were told as much on friday by the commissioner. YES that sucks but you did know this already. throwing everything that's attached to the conference under the bus comes off bad.

There was a lot of back stage pushing from ESPN and our athletics . This one lies on the dip stick we have at the helm in the conference.

It has nothing to do with Keith Gill. It has everything to do with the bowl games. NOLA is not ESPN owned and has the right to say "Hey, we're keeping App, they can't go anywhere, sorry. And contractually you end up in NOLA, and there is nothing ESPN, the SBC, or App State can do about it.

you say this after saying if ulm had a kicker app would be in the belk bowl. how does these 2 statements work together?

(12-08-2019 08:54 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 08:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It has nothing to do with Keith Gill. It has everything to do with the bowl games. NOLA is not ESPN owned and has the right to say "Hey, we're keeping App, they can't go anywhere, sorry. And contractually you end up in NOLA, and there is nothing ESPN, the SBC, or App State can do about it.

I'll take your word for it, but to me it doesn't seem like it would be a smart business decision to forgo taking the Cajuns after their best season in forever to take a team that was in NO last season. Would App really buy more tickets or do they think just having a ranked team will somehow help them?

On top of App not getting a P5 bowl, GS ends up on a bowl you can't watch on TV unless you have a super double platinum cable TV package and Georgia State ends up going across the country to a bowl few of their fans will be able to go to.

I'm just glad we're getting out ot these **** bowl agreements. We're not the worst league in the FBS anymore and we should have better.

Holy crap I agree with an Eagle fan. We are all getting the shaft. But yes App fans feel pissed today. Just let us get over it and we will be back to our normal selves. All ranked teams are playing P5 teams except us. There is no respect for this conference. We have to ALL change that.

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:33 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Just a look at some of the bowl opponents of CUSA and the MAC

Marshall is playing UCF
La Tech is playing Miami
FAU is playing SMU

CMU plays SDSU
EMU is playing Pitt

Meanwhile App gets the CUSA runner up and UL gets an 8-5 G5 team. We've done fine in bowls so far but we really need to come out and make a strong statement to help us get better bowl tie-ins befitting the #3 G5 conference and not the pre-2013 Sun Belt.

Yeah and our coach is leaving for Mizzou and y’all get liberty what a smack in the face for this whole joke of a conference.

How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

This is true. The New Orleans Bowl is a good Bowl game but it would be nice if we could at least get the CUSA Champ in it every year. I do think the new ESPN Bowl pool my help us get some better games going forward.

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(12-08-2019 07:02 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:33 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Just a look at some of the bowl opponents of CUSA and the MAC

Marshall is playing UCF
La Tech is playing Miami
FAU is playing SMU

CMU plays SDSU
EMU is playing Pitt

Meanwhile App gets the CUSA runner up and UL gets an 8-5 G5 team. We've done fine in bowls so far but we really need to come out and make a strong statement to help us get better bowl tie-ins befitting the #3 G5 conference and not the pre-2013 Sun Belt.

Yeah and our coach is leaving for Mizzou and y’all get liberty what a smack in the face for this whole joke of a conference.

How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

It’s a joke . We just put together the best season ever by anyone in the (1) sunbelt and all we heard was crickets from our conference and our AD. Sad. UAB may be a great team (2) But 12-1 deserves respect.

BOLDED 1: We are in the Sun Belt Conference (not "sunbelt")
BOLDED 2: AGREED, 100%!!!

I agree with many of the other Sun Belt members...App should NOT throw blame at the Sun Belt - it is a bad look. We should all feel bad about how 'WE' as a conference are being treated. But the only way to change the perception is to keep doing what we all can do to win our out of conference games and continue to get ranked. I mean, last I checked we have only had 2 teams EVER in the Top 25 at all, for as long as the conference has been around.

But WE can't throw our own conference under the bus in trying to make our case. We just need to win the bowl game, and keep on going next year. That goes for all of the member teams.

The one positive thing is I believe that every team in the conference are in the football business. I think that the best way to improve the perception is to stop taking money games from the elite P5 teams. We need to beat on the mid to low tier P5 programs in home at home schedules. Next season we play Bama for the 3rd time in 10 years. We may value the check but when trying to become ranked as a G5 it starts you with one hand tied behind your back.

(12-09-2019 02:11 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  I think that the best way to improve the perception is to stop taking money games from the elite P5 teams. We need to beat on the mid to low tier P5 programs in home at home schedules. Next season we play Bama for the 3rd time in 10 years. We may value the check but when trying to become ranked as a G5 it starts you with one hand tied behind your back.

And, if we learned anything this year, makes a NY6 bid just about impossible.

If we're going to make a NY6 game anytime soon as a conference it probably is gonna take a 13-0 season with the AAC and MWC champs having a loss. Can't get there if you schedule Bama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU right now.

Wholeheartedly agree with trying to schedule mid-level P5s. App did it right this year with two mid-level P5s, but obviously the loss to GS did them in. Our champ prob can't expect to out-rank an AAC or MWC champ right now with the same number of losses unfortunately. Maybe in a few more years if the trajectory remains upward.

(12-09-2019 02:11 AM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  The one positive thing is I believe that every team in the conference are in the football business. I think that the best way to improve the perception is to stop taking money games from the elite P5 teams. We need to beat on the mid to low tier P5 programs in home at home schedules. Next season we play Bama for the 3rd time in 10 years. We may value the check but when trying to become ranked as a G5 it starts you with one hand tied behind your back.

I agree. GS has at least toned down our money game for the next 5 years with Ole Miss twice, Arkansas, Nebraska and Wisconsin. Of course who knows how good any of these teams will be a few years down the road. Ole Miss next year should be competitive and hopefully Arkansas will not be fixed when we play them in 2021. These teams should be a welcome break from Clemson and LSU like we played the last two seasons.

(12-08-2019 07:02 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:33 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Just a look at some of the bowl opponents of CUSA and the MAC

Marshall is playing UCF
La Tech is playing Miami
FAU is playing SMU

CMU plays SDSU
EMU is playing Pitt

Meanwhile App gets the CUSA runner up and UL gets an 8-5 G5 team. We've done fine in bowls so far but we really need to come out and make a strong statement to help us get better bowl tie-ins befitting the #3 G5 conference and not the pre-2013 Sun Belt.

Yeah and our coach is leaving for Mizzou and y’all get liberty what a smack in the face for this whole joke of a conference.

How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

It’s a joke . We just put together the best season ever by anyone in the sunbelt and all we heard was crickets from our conference and our AD. Sad. UAB may be a great team But 12-1 deserves respect.

Completely agree. App deserved a better bowl and we should all be upset about it.

(12-09-2019 01:22 PM)NashvilleEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 07:02 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:33 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Just a look at some of the bowl opponents of CUSA and the MAC

Marshall is playing UCF
La Tech is playing Miami
FAU is playing SMU

CMU plays SDSU
EMU is playing Pitt

Meanwhile App gets the CUSA runner up and UL gets an 8-5 G5 team. We've done fine in bowls so far but we really need to come out and make a strong statement to help us get better bowl tie-ins befitting the #3 G5 conference and not the pre-2013 Sun Belt.

Yeah and our coach is leaving for Mizzou and y’all get liberty what a smack in the face for this whole joke of a conference.

How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

It’s a joke . We just put together the best season ever by anyone in the sunbelt and all we heard was crickets from our conference and our AD. Sad. UAB may be a great team But 12-1 deserves respect.

Completely agree. App deserved a better bowl and we should all be upset about it.

I'm going to disagree here...the New Orleans Bowl is a good Bowl Game and where our conference champ plays. What App deserved is a better opponent not a different location and that's on CUSA and ESPN. CUSA should have at least sent the champ to play APP and ESPN should have thrown some weight behind that to make it happen. NO Team in this conference deserves any Bowl better than New Orleans unless it's the NY6 game.

What made the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl great? It was the fact that Conferences like the PAC or the SEC or the ACC consistently sent the Champ to play in those games. In my opinion New Orleans has more prestige than any CUSA, MAC, MWC or AAC Bowl because it's the only G5 Bowl where a Conference Champ is guaranteed to play each season baring being selected to the NY6 that is.

(12-09-2019 01:31 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 01:22 PM)NashvilleEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 07:02 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:33 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  Yeah and our coach is leaving for Mizzou and y’all get liberty what a smack in the face for this whole joke of a conference.

How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

It’s a joke . We just put together the best season ever by anyone in the sunbelt and all we heard was crickets from our conference and our AD. Sad. UAB may be a great team But 12-1 deserves respect.

Completely agree. App deserved a better bowl and we should all be upset about it.

I'm going to disagree here...the New Orleans Bowl is a good Bowl Game and where our conference champ plays. What App deserved is a better opponent not a different location and that's on CUSA and ESPN. CUSA should have at least sent the champ to play APP and ESPN should have thrown some weight behind that to make it happen. NO Team in this conference deserves any Bowl better than New Orleans unless it's the NY6 game.

What made the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl great? It was the fact that Conferences like the PAC or the SEC or the ACC consistently sent the Champ to play in those games. In my opinion New Orleans has more prestige than any CUSA, MAC, MWC or AAC Bowl because it's the only G5 Bowl where a Conference Champ is guaranteed to play each season baring being selected to the NY6 that is.

100% agreed.

(12-09-2019 01:33 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 01:31 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 01:22 PM)NashvilleEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 07:02 PM)Apps6920 Wrote:  

(12-08-2019 06:36 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  How is this conference a joke? We're in the last year of bowl contracts that were signed 5 years ago. Next year whoever the champ will be is going to have a more quality bowl because the direction the conference has taken in that time.

App's guys going to have their hand's full against a team wanting their 10th win and probably biggest win in school history.

It’s a joke . We just put together the best season ever by anyone in the sunbelt and all we heard was crickets from our conference and our AD. Sad. UAB may be a great team But 12-1 deserves respect.

Completely agree. App deserved a better bowl and we should all be upset about it.

I'm going to disagree here...the New Orleans Bowl is a good Bowl Game and where our conference champ plays. What App deserved is a better opponent not a different location and that's on CUSA and ESPN. CUSA should have at least sent the champ to play APP and ESPN should have thrown some weight behind that to make it happen. NO Team in this conference deserves any Bowl better than New Orleans unless it's the NY6 game.

What made the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl great? It was the fact that Conferences like the PAC or the SEC or the ACC consistently sent the Champ to play in those games. In my opinion New Orleans has more prestige than any CUSA, MAC, MWC or AAC Bowl because it's the only G5 Bowl where a Conference Champ is guaranteed to play each season baring being selected to the NY6 that is.

100% agreed.

Well, that means that there are at least two of you that believe that about the NO Bowl. No one else does. At least no one in the AAC, MWC, MAC, or CUSA does.

Don't get me wrong. I like and respect the NO Bowl. Heck, we've played in it and our conference has a tie-in with it some years, but make no mistake, it's considered to be a lower tier bowl. All one has to do to see evidence of this is to look at how hard App St worked to get out of playing in it this year.

The reason App wanted out of playing it is because the fans knew that CUSA wouldn't dare send a champ there to be embarrassed.


NOLA with an MWC or AAC tie-in for the Belt will be much better.

(12-09-2019 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The reason App wanted out of playing it is because the fans knew that CUSA wouldn't dare send a champ there to be embarrassed.


NOLA with an MWC or AAC tie-in for the Belt will be much better.

I have a feeling we would be having the same discussion this year if we were playing anyone other than Boise, Cinci or Memphis.

(12-08-2019 06:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  http://www.yosefscabin.com/forum/viewtop...=4&t=17766

App fans ticked off, but I can't blame them.

Salty.

If anyone has a backup kicker they’re willing to part with, we could use him as a starter