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(12-06-2019 07:04 AM)monarx Wrote:  If he was in violation of his contract maybe we wouldn’t owe him $600k. It seems he wasn’t quite as loyal and ethical as we thought. I’m starting to wonder if those tears were for getting fired and losing a fat $700k per year job rather than not having a chance to stay at his baby, ODU. ODU officials loved him and for them to be mad makes me believe there must be something to it, and something wrong about it.

ODU officials know everything that went on, you can trust me on this. They need to let this go, its easy to figure out why there were a couple trip down to Florida by Wilder........and others around that time.

I cannot see any money being returned and it shouldnt be. Wilder talked to FAU officials and Wood knew about the whole thing.

(12-06-2019 07:47 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  He was a bullshitter from the day he started getting his ass handed to him in FBS. We all knew it. If you didn't then you thought he was doing well in recruiting as well. This whole "my baby" and "most successful startup" was nothing but crap meant to pull on the "weak" admins heart strings to keep him on longer. The moment he didn't in good faith negotiate a revised contract after the bowl win...his ass would have been fired. The game is played that way and Wood knew that but should have drawn a line and that tactic would have crossed it for me.

Wilder poured his hear and soul into ODU every day he was on the job. Talking to FAU officials when his contract was running out and using his bowl success (and the interest other schools had in him) to leverage for a better contract does not change that. It pretty much happens with every coach in America.

These types of things are (almost) always conducted in secrecy. The wooing school keeps a tight lid on things, usually at the request of the candidate, who doesn't want the current employer to know he/she is looking around. Several questions:

Was BW personally talking to them, or was it done through his agent? Contractually, does it make a difference?

Rader says the AD was told to suspend talks. How far had they gone? Serious is kind of nebulous, TBH

Did he apply, or was he contacted by FAU?

Had he been offered the job would he then have been obligated to tell ODU, even if he wasn't going to take it?

The whole thing is cheesy. "Sources (multiple)" tell Rader they are angry about this. Really? Grab your nuts and come forward using your name. Who are the sources? There are only 3 that matter, Broderick, Selig and Stewart. Rader doesn't even attribute it to AD administration and leave you to fill in the blanks. Was Sonny Stallings or some other BOV member among the sources?

Regardless, childish and petty on ODU's part to respond to the story. As someone else wrote, the correct answer is we're moving on and looking to the future. And God forbid they try to take the $600,000 away and it goes to court, which it probably would. Like it or not, BW was conducting business in his profession the way it's done all the time.

(12-06-2019 07:03 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  So let’s say this is a breach of contract like Bruce mentioned on WAVY. Will this allow ODAF to not pay the buyout or at the very least reduce it?

Perhaps but how would that look to other coaches in consideration for jobs here? I'd probably avoid this place like the plague. Keep it moving, ODU. Put it all behind us.

(12-06-2019 08:00 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 07:47 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  He was a bullshitter from the day he started getting his ass handed to him in FBS. We all knew it. If you didn't then you thought he was doing well in recruiting as well. This whole "my baby" and "most successful startup" was nothing but crap meant to pull on the "weak" admins heart strings to keep him on longer. The moment he didn't in good faith negotiate a revised contract after the bowl win...his ass would have been fired. The game is played that way and Wood knew that but should have drawn a line and that tactic would have crossed it for me.

Wilder poured his hear and soul into ODU every day he was on the job. Talking to FAU officials when his contract was running out and using his bowl success (and the interest other schools had in him) to leverage for a better contract does not change that. It pretty much happens with every coach in America.

That is exactly what I said...I understand the game that was played. Right on his heart and soul...especially after we transferred into FBS. Yes maybe early on but not in the last 4/5 years.

If that one poster that wanted this to be news actually Bruce Radar?

This needs to just go away for everyone involved. It doesnt benefit FAU, ODU, or Wilder...........or anyone on here. Its just a blogger wanting to get his/her name out there. Radar is piggybacking and finding some random source that is acting shocked.

Isn't Chun the AD at Wash State now? Where Spurrier JR works? Maybe we steal one of his coaches, even if the guy is "just" a position coach.

(12-06-2019 08:06 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 07:03 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  So let’s say this is a breach of contract like Bruce mentioned on WAVY. Will this allow ODAF to not pay the buyout or at the very least reduce it?

Perhaps but how would that look to other coaches in consideration for jobs here? I'd probably avoid this place like the plague. Keep it moving, ODU. Put it all behind us.

Whomever "commented" from within the ODU AD did us a great disservice that could have long term ramifications; if indeed it was anyone that would have direct involvement in the situation was actually the source(s).
If Rader just got comments from random office staff, "people on the street", or whomever answers phones, then the crux of his reporting is irresponsible.

(12-06-2019 08:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 08:06 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 07:03 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  So let’s say this is a breach of contract like Bruce mentioned on WAVY. Will this allow ODAF to not pay the buyout or at the very least reduce it?

Perhaps but how would that look to other coaches in consideration for jobs here? I'd probably avoid this place like the plague. Keep it moving, ODU. Put it all behind us.

Whomever "commented" from within the ODU AD did us a great disservice that could have long term ramifications; if indeed it was anyone that would have direct involvement in the situation was actually the source(s).
If Rader just got comments from random office staff, "people on the street", or whomever answers phones, then the crux of his reporting is irresponsible.

I'm not sure I would go that far. But they need this to be the end of it or it will.

(12-05-2019 10:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:05 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:36 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  http://fauowlaccess.com/a-wilder-ear/14677/2019/12/03/

The fact our local press has not picked up this story supports it is unsubstantiated. BW should sue their @ for libel.

That local press has not picked it up doesn't mean it is not true, in all or in part.

Anyone can sue, however to receive any compensation, there would have to provable malice on the part of the writer AND demonstrable damages.
And this case would be further complicated by the fact that BW is likely defined as a "public figure" within this context, substantially raising the burden of proof bar.



IANAL

Definitely a public figure. For what it's worth, if I'm remembering my media law correctly, malice is the bar that must be cleared ONLY for public figures; if Bobby Wilder were an anonymous white-collar worked tucked away at a three-story office building in Lynnhaven, he wouldn't have to meet that standard and would only have to prove damages. But he's not.

A libel suit would just be another ineffective ODU offensive play.

Supreme Court ruling in NYT vs Sullivan. I believe that is to which everyone is referring. I took a year of Constitutional Law/History from Dr. Bugg - former President of the university..... I also stayed at a holiday Inn last night.

(12-05-2019 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:05 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:36 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  http://fauowlaccess.com/a-wilder-ear/14677/2019/12/03/

The fact our local press has not picked up this story supports it is unsubstantiated. BW should sue their @ for libel.

That local press has not picked it up doesn't mean it is not true, in all or in part.

Anyone can sue, however to receive any compensation, there would have to provable malice on the part of the writer AND demonstrable damages.
And this case would be further complicated by the fact that BW is likely defined as a "public figure" within this context, substantially raising the burden of proof bar.



IANAL

Hey, 78 ya got one of them online Liberty or Regent law degrees?
I need some pro bono advice

(12-06-2019 08:52 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 09:05 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 07:36 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  http://fauowlaccess.com/a-wilder-ear/14677/2019/12/03/

The fact our local press has not picked up this story supports it is unsubstantiated. BW should sue their @ for libel.

That local press has not picked it up doesn't mean it is not true, in all or in part.

Anyone can sue, however to receive any compensation, there would have to provable malice on the part of the writer AND demonstrable damages.
And this case would be further complicated by the fact that BW is likely defined as a "public figure" within this context, substantially raising the burden of proof bar.



IANAL

Hey, 78 ya got one of them online Liberty or Regent law degrees?
I need some pro bono advice

There is also a possibility that Wood knew about this at the time and allowed it.
BW may have used it as a legitimate (unlike Temple) bargaining chip

Maybe it is best to just drop it. It wont change anything, and could make it more difficult to make that great new hire we so desperately need. Maybe we will hear some great news today. (no, I don't know jack, just hoping)

Its in the Pilot now with a quote from Selig.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...lz_VsMSHq4

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/colle...story.html

Its out now

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I like Wood, but come on..........

Hopefully, it goes away now though.

(12-06-2019 02:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I like Wood, but come on..........

Hopefully, it goes away now though.

Hopefully. I am glad he added this statement which was missing from the other reports;

“We don’t deny coaches the opportunity to have these discussions... We merely ask for the courtesy of alerting us so we may be prepared for whatever may occur.”

If true, there's an awful lot of negligence on the part of Wilder and the FAU administration, because it's not exactly an arcane requirement that schools get permission to talk to coaches under contract, or for coaches to inform their ADs on their intent to discuss openings with other schools. My guess is Selig would have shut it down because it would have been an awful look to have your hot-at-the-time head coach leave for (at BEST) a lateral move within the conference. Nebraska basketball to Kansas or Rutgers football to Penn State is one thing, ODU football to FAU is another thing entirely.

But for kicks and giggles: Who would have taken the ODU job if it was open after the 2016 season?

(12-06-2019 02:44 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(12-06-2019 02:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I like Wood, but come on..........

Hopefully, it goes away now though.

Hopefully. I am glad he added this statement which was missing from the other reports;

“We don’t deny coaches the opportunity to have these discussions... We merely ask for the courtesy of alerting us so we may be prepared for whatever may occur.”
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