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Steve Lavin said that he thinks Mick should be the PAC12 coach of the year for the way he has turned UCLA around. Mick may have sealed that with the win over AZ State.

(02-19-2020 09:51 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:00 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I have to give Cronin credit. UCLA is 15-11 and they have some nice wins. He's doing better than I thought he would at this point.

He’s got them playing better as the season wears on. He’ll be fine out there. Should have them on the bubble in a couple weeks.

NostraBilly has spoken.

Oh well!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2910...n-g-league

(04-28-2020 01:28 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Oh well!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2910...n-g-league

If 5-stars start going the G-League route, it just means competition for 4-star guys is going to get that much more fierce. When you look at what Ben Howland was ran out of Westwood for and compare that to Mick's success at UC, then combine that with the fact that he's not an elite recruiter and will have an even harder time getting elite recruits... I just don't see Mick being there for more than 6 or 7 years. My prediction is that Mick will make it through his initial contract and not much more. Then he'll end up finishing his career out at a WCC or Mountain West school. Or maybe he comes back to the mid west and coaches somewhere like Dayton or St. Louis. Don't think he'll get another big-time gig after UCLA runs him off for not making deep tournament runs. I wish him the best though.

(04-28-2020 02:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 01:28 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Oh well!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2910...n-g-league

If 5-stars start going the G-League route, it just means competition for 4-star guys is just going to get that much more fierce. When you look at what Ben Howland was ran out of Westwood for and compare that to Mick's success at UC, then combine that with the fact that he's not an elite recruiter and will have an even harder time getting elite recruits... I just don't see Mick being there for more than 6 or 7 years.

that would be a real shame /s

Much of it depends on the shoe companies. If they start rewarding g league guys with $'s., then it will be hard to stop.

(04-28-2020 02:15 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Much of it depends on the shoe companies. If they start rewarding g league guys with $'s., then it will be hard to stop.

A few years ago the G League was paying guys $35K/year... guys were better off going to college to play ball given the perks, stipends, etc. Now that the G League is starting to push into the six figures, the rewards just aren't there for elite talent to go to college. This is part of the reason why you are seeing the concessions from the NCAA on compensating certain players. They are going to have to strike or else there will be a significant talent drain.

I see it as a positive. Why force non academic people to go to college?

The MLB has had the minor league path for many decades.

(04-28-2020 03:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I see it as a positive. Why force non academic people to go to college?

The MLB has had the minor league path for many decades.

I tend to agree. My gut is that the non 5's are much closer (4's to 2's). It would seem that by letting the real standouts just take the money and go, it would maybe bring the field a little closer. Hard to say for sure.

(04-28-2020 04:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 03:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I see it as a positive. Why force non academic people to go to college?

The MLB has had the minor league path for many decades.

I tend to agree. My gut is that the non 5's are much closer (4's to 2's). It would seem that by letting the real standouts just take the money and go, it would maybe bring the field a little closer. Hard to say for sure.

Only problem I have is the Howard’s, Lebron’s, Durant’s, Zion’s, Kobe, Garnett’s, Pierce’s (lol I’m done) etc. should be eligible for the draft as with any player that wants to take the risk at 18.

Then, the kids that don’t want to play college ball and don’t make it can park here with their low level income which I’m sure will be back to 30-50k and not the 500k-1mil contracts that randomly appeared.

At the moment, it really seems to me the NBA is just trying to create a second revenue stream where they’ll have 1 year stars battling out against vets and guys that go to China/Europe like Marbury, Lance Stephenson, etc.

Not fair to the players that should be in the NBA at 18 as we’ve seen way too many examples of where they are able to compete just fine unlike the NFL where it’s obvious they’d get creamed.

This is a step in the right direction if they go that route. If not then NBA just being greedy against the NCAA and other pro leagues which IMO I give an F about as they are just as greedy too.

Yeah, one-and-done rule is dumb. Just let them go straight to the NBA like it used to be.

(04-28-2020 04:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 04:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 03:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I see it as a positive. Why force non academic people to go to college?

The MLB has had the minor league path for many decades.

I tend to agree. My gut is that the non 5's are much closer (4's to 2's). It would seem that by letting the real standouts just take the money and go, it would maybe bring the field a little closer. Hard to say for sure.

Only problem I have is the Howard’s, Lebron’s, Durant’s, Zion’s, Kobe, Garnett’s, Pierce’s (lol I’m done) etc. should be eligible for the draft as with any player that wants to take the risk at 18.

Then, the kids that don’t want to play college ball and don’t make it can park here with their low level income which I’m sure will be back to 30-50k and not the 500k-1mil contracts that randomly appeared.

At the moment, it really seems to me the NBA is just trying to create a second revenue stream where they’ll have 1 year stars battling out against vets and guys that go to China/Europe like Marbury, Lance Stephenson, etc.

Not fair to the players that should be in the NBA at 18 as we’ve seen way too many examples of where they are able to compete just fine unlike the NFL where it’s obvious they’d get creamed.

This is a step in the right direction if they go that route. If not then NBA just being greedy against the NCAA and other pro leagues which IMO I give an F about as they are just as greedy too.

Listened to Parrish and Norlander podcast the other day, the main reason the NBA is getting these guys signed to the G-League is an alternative to the NBL so the scouts don't have to go across the world to watch them. The NBA would actually prefer they go to college for evaluation.

What alot of these kids and parents don't realize is the long term economic impact of playing college ball for even a year that that is a bit difficult to capture in a spread sheet, but definitely exists. You can go to the extreme of Zion Williamson or Joe Burrow, where there brands are worth immensely more from their careers at Duke and LSU vs if they would have played in obscurity in some minor league. But even to a lesser degree, players not to that degree have most of their notoriety from college ball.

(04-28-2020 08:23 PM)jarr Wrote:  What alot of these kids and parents don't realize is the long term economic impact of playing college ball for even a year that that is a bit difficult to capture in a spread sheet, but definitely exists. You can go to the extreme of Zion Williamson or Joe Burrow, where there brands are worth immensely more from their careers at Duke and LSU vs if they would have played in obscurity in some minor league. But even to a lesser degree, players not to that degree have most of their notoriety from college ball.

How does this long term economic impact not show up on a spreadsheet?

(04-28-2020 09:00 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 08:23 PM)jarr Wrote:  What alot of these kids and parents don't realize is the long term economic impact of playing college ball for even a year that that is a bit difficult to capture in a spread sheet, but definitely exists. You can go to the extreme of Zion Williamson or Joe Burrow, where there brands are worth immensely more from their careers at Duke and LSU vs if they would have played in obscurity in some minor league. But even to a lesser degree, players not to that degree have most of their notoriety from college ball.

How does this long term economic impact not show up on a spreadsheet?

I am not a CPA, so maybe it does. I am just saying it is a little more complicated than thr average fan just assuming that a $500K contract with the Ft. Wayne Mad Ants is more valuable than college scholarship to Duke. Maybe for some kids it is, but currently there is more to be made in the long run going the college route.

(04-28-2020 08:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 04:53 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 04:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 03:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I see it as a positive. Why force non academic people to go to college?

The MLB has had the minor league path for many decades.

I tend to agree. My gut is that the non 5's are much closer (4's to 2's). It would seem that by letting the real standouts just take the money and go, it would maybe bring the field a little closer. Hard to say for sure.

Only problem I have is the Howard’s, Lebron’s, Durant’s, Zion’s, Kobe, Garnett’s, Pierce’s (lol I’m done) etc. should be eligible for the draft as with any player that wants to take the risk at 18.

Then, the kids that don’t want to play college ball and don’t make it can park here with their low level income which I’m sure will be back to 30-50k and not the 500k-1mil contracts that randomly appeared.

At the moment, it really seems to me the NBA is just trying to create a second revenue stream where they’ll have 1 year stars battling out against vets and guys that go to China/Europe like Marbury, Lance Stephenson, etc.

Not fair to the players that should be in the NBA at 18 as we’ve seen way too many examples of where they are able to compete just fine unlike the NFL where it’s obvious they’d get creamed.

This is a step in the right direction if they go that route. If not then NBA just being greedy against the NCAA and other pro leagues which IMO I give an F about as they are just as greedy too.

Listened to Parrish and Norlander podcast the other day, the main reason the NBA is getting these guys signed to the G-League is an alternative to the NBL so the scouts don't have to go across the world to watch them. The NBA would actually prefer they go to college for evaluation.

How many kids have gone over seas? So far this class it’s been a UCLA kid, a kid that stated Memphis or this new contract bs they came up with, and one other I’m not so sure of but looked like Memphis/UK. I can’t even remember the names of any that went over seas although I’m pretty sure there’s been a few in the past 5-10 years.

The NBA never gave a good explanation for adding the one and done rule and are taking way to long to long to abolish the stupid rule. Looks like Silver is working towards it at least from articles in 2019. I really hope these new contracts won’t become something the low 5 star/high 4 star kids get too interested in if the rule is abolished in a few years after some stars go this route and may have some success.

I really don’t know enough but just want the one and done gone.