(11-11-2019 08:01 PM)memphisike Wrote:  ncaa, don't want nothing to do with court, may have to answer for Carolina's no show classes, the fbi tapes on various coaches, the auburn money

OMG, I agree! This is weird. But I agree 100%. It behooves all involved to quietly settle this week.

The more I read NCAA bylaws, the more and more they look like a ****** neighborhood HOA.

Selective enforcement, arbitrary rules that are designed to protect the members of the organization and increase the value over time.

It’s not going to take much for the elite to realize they can live in a much nicer neighborhood.

(11-11-2019 07:17 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:29 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 04:51 PM)cp44fla Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 04:36 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  There are two people I can think of. One is a bitter coach and the other is a bitter talk show guy who kisses that coach's arse. Somehow I think both have a hand in this.

I thought the exact same thing.

This isn’t about Wiseman. This is about Boogie.

So are you saying that Boogie's decommit and subsequent commitment to us is the cause of this? That would point to the coach on the east coast?

Yes.

Incredible!

(11-11-2019 07:17 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:29 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 04:51 PM)cp44fla Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 04:36 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  There are two people I can think of. One is a bitter coach and the other is a bitter talk show guy who kisses that coach's arse. Somehow I think both have a hand in this.

I thought the exact same thing.

This isn’t about Wiseman. This is about Boogie.

So are you saying that Boogie's decommit and subsequent commitment to us is the cause of this? That would point to the coach on the east coast?

Yes.

Sure. And Jesse James is still getting blamed for train robberies.

(11-11-2019 08:41 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 07:17 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:29 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 04:51 PM)cp44fla Wrote:  I thought the exact same thing.

This isn’t about Wiseman. This is about Boogie.

So are you saying that Boogie's decommit and subsequent commitment to us is the cause of this? That would point to the coach on the east coast?

Yes.

Sure. And Jesse James is still getting blamed for train robberies.

You think Cal can tell the NCAA to jump? They’d laugh in his face.

(11-11-2019 09:34 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Like maybe former US Olympic coach?

(11-11-2019 09:52 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 09:34 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Like maybe former US Olympic coach?

coach k has the clout to make it happen

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

(11-11-2019 11:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

Ive been saying that the NCAA will try to claim to the court their incompetence and bumbling as reason for them breaching the good faith and fair deal in the contract.

(11-11-2019 11:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

Ive been saying that the NCAA will try to claim to the court their incompetence and bumbling as reason for them breaching the good faith and fair deal in the contract.

They knew about the donation. They’re beef is that it made him a booster. The University said it went to the General fund, and the NCAA disagrees. IMO.

(11-12-2019 07:48 AM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

Ive been saying that the NCAA will try to claim to the court their incompetence and bumbling as reason for them breaching the good faith and fair deal in the contract.

They knew about the donation. They’re beef is that it made him a booster. The University said it went to the General fund, and the NCAA disagrees. IMO.

If the donation was new information to the committee they shouldn't even be in business.

(11-11-2019 11:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

Ive been saying that the NCAA will try to claim to the court their incompetence and bumbling as reason for them breaching the good faith and fair deal in the contract.

#trumpdefense

(11-11-2019 08:04 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:01 PM)memphisike Wrote:  ncaa, don't want nothing to do with court, may have to answer for Carolina's no show classes, the fbi tapes on various coaches, the auburn money

OMG, I agree! This is weird. But I agree 100%. It behooves all involved to quietly settle this week.

Me too. There is a whole host of violations amidst Kansas, Arizona, LSU, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky and more the NCAA has let go quietly.

Then they decide to puff out their chest vs Memphis.

If this goes to court the NCAA is going to lose, big time.

Anybody can see the NCAA enforces their rules selectively, most on members that are not in the major conferences.

Just curious about a couple of things:

1) is Penny Hardaway the only coach who has made a substantial contribution to the school where he/she works or attended.
2) if the contribution made Penny a “booster” In’08 and he helps a kid’s family in ‘17, before he becomes coach at Memphis, why was this ok at one point and not ok later.
3) wasn’t all this — the donation to Memphis and the moving expenses — disclosed to the NCAA before Wiseman’s signing?
4) what information was not known before Wiseman signed with Memphis? He’d have to be pretty stupid (and I know he’s not) to sign knowing he likely would be ruled ineligible at Memphis?
5) as to #4, why would the NCAA allow Wiseman to enroll at a school where he would be ineligible. Isn’t it their role to protect the athlete, to not put them in a compromised position.
6) i can’t read the CA because of it’s pay wall, but i’m Curious about fact and opinion. Was all the info we hear about surrounding this case actually in the hands of the NCAA before the case became public or was there info that was not disclosed in a timely manner?
7) because of Wiseman’s status as the No. 1 recruit, did he seek legal or NCAA guidance before he signed with Memphis?

To me, if the NCAA makes a ruling that allowed Wiseman to play, then the organization should stand by that decision. No swaying in the wind. That hurts the kid, the school, the city and the NCAA itself.

(11-12-2019 09:20 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  Just curious about a couple of things:

1) is Penny Hardaway the only coach who has made a substantial contribution to the school where he/she works or attended.
Probably not
2) if the contribution made Penny a “booster” In’08 and he helps a kid’s family in ‘17, before he becomes coach at Memphis, why was this ok at one point and not ok later.
Who knows
3) wasn’t all this — the donation to Memphis and the moving expenses — disclosed to the NCAA before Wiseman’s signing?
Absolutely
4) what information was not known before Wiseman signed with Memphis? He’d have to be pretty stupid (and I know he’s not) to sign knowing he likely would be ruled ineligible at Memphis?
According to Wiseman's attorney, there were no new discoveries since he ruled eligible in May
5) as to #4, why would the NCAA allow Wiseman to enroll at a school where he would be ineligible. Isn’t it their role to protect the athlete, to not put them in a compromised position.
Role smole
6) i can’t read the CA because of it’s pay wall, but i’m Curious about fact and opinion. Was all the info we hear about surrounding this case actually in the hands of the NCAA before the case became public or was there info that was not disclosed in a timely manner?
Don't know
7) because of Wiseman’s status as the No. 1 recruit, did he seek legal or NCAA guidance before he signed with Memphis?
I was going good there for a while, also don't know

To me, if the NCAA makes a ruling that allowed Wiseman to play, then the organization should stand by that decision. No swaying in the wind. That hurts the kid, the school, the city and the NCAA itself.

Correct, if they had discovered new payments, new violations, new anything then fine, smite us down. The fact is they declared him eligible. Said they may have made a mistake but said they would stand by his eligibility. Then they reopened the case and declared Hardaway a booster and Wiseman likely ineligible the day the season started? I think it was the day after they saw Wiseman play SCSU
and the big boys said,
"Whoa there just a cotton picking gosh dawn minute, can't y'all folks find something to stop this kid from playing? What do we pay y'all to do?"
And the NCAA said," yessir boss, we'll make it happen."

(11-12-2019 09:38 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 09:20 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  Just curious about a couple of things:

1) is Penny Hardaway the only coach who has made a substantial contribution to the school where he/she works or attended.
Probably not
2) if the contribution made Penny a “booster” In’08 and he helps a kid’s family in ‘17, before he becomes coach at Memphis, why was this ok at one point and not ok later.
Who knows
3) wasn’t all this — the donation to Memphis and the moving expenses — disclosed to the NCAA before Wiseman’s signing?
Absolutely
4) what information was not known before Wiseman signed with Memphis? He’d have to be pretty stupid (and I know he’s not) to sign knowing he likely would be ruled ineligible at Memphis?
According to Wiseman's attorney, there were no new discoveries since he ruled eligible in May
5) as to #4, why would the NCAA allow Wiseman to enroll at a school where he would be ineligible. Isn’t it their role to protect the athlete, to not put them in a compromised position.
Role smole
6) i can’t read the CA because of it’s pay wall, but i’m Curious about fact and opinion. Was all the info we hear about surrounding this case actually in the hands of the NCAA before the case became public or was there info that was not disclosed in a timely manner?
Don't know
7) because of Wiseman’s status as the No. 1 recruit, did he seek legal or NCAA guidance before he signed with Memphis?
I was going good there for a while, also don't know

To me, if the NCAA makes a ruling that allowed Wiseman to play, then the organization should stand by that decision. No swaying in the wind. That hurts the kid, the school, the city and the NCAA itself.

Correct, if they had discovered new payments, new violations, new anything then fine, smite us down. The fact is they declared him eligible. Said they may have made a mistake but said they would stand by his eligibility. Then they reopened the case and declared Hardaway a booster and Wiseman likely ineligible the day the season started? I think it was the day after they saw Wiseman play SCSU
and the big boys said,
"Whoa there just a cotton picking gosh dawn minute, can't y'all folks find something to stop this kid from playing? What do we pay y'all to do?"
And the NCAA said," yessir boss, we'll make it happen."

They contacted us on the 31st and said he was likely ineligible...We played him on the 5th (1st game) having that information before the injunction.

I do think they felt they needed to correct their initial "mistake" and the booster clarification was their ace in the hole.

They knew this all along and their timing is what is going to end up biting them in the butt. If they would have come up with booster angle in May and declared him ineligible then, I doubt this ever makes it to court.

(11-12-2019 07:48 AM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”

• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s
mother in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the
University of Memphis athletics interests.1

This seems to imply that the reason the case was reopened is because the idiots at the NCAA just realized in 2019, that Penny made a donation in 2008. Incredible.

Ive been saying that the NCAA will try to claim to the court their incompetence and bumbling as reason for them breaching the good faith and fair deal in the contract.

They knew about the donation. They’re beef is that it made him a booster. The University said it went to the General fund, and the NCAA disagrees. IMO.

How can the NCAA tell the University where money given to that university went? Absurd, that they think they know more about the university and the donation then the university that was donated the money.

(11-12-2019 08:00 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:04 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:01 PM)memphisike Wrote:  ncaa, don't want nothing to do with court, may have to answer for Carolina's no show classes, the fbi tapes on various coaches, the auburn money

OMG, I agree! This is weird. But I agree 100%. It behooves all involved to quietly settle this week.

Me too. There is a whole host of violations amidst Kansas, Arizona, LSU, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky and more the NCAA has let go quietly.

Then they decide to puff out their chest vs Memphis.

If this goes to court the NCAA is going to lose, big time.

Anybody can see the NCAA enforces their rules selectively, most on members that are not in the major conferences.

Maybe it is because the big boys put up a fight.

I remember Tark the shark @ UNLV put up a fight against the NCAA and won.

The NCAA said Tarkanian violated rules and he filed suit got an injunction keeping UNLV from suspending him from coaching. Very similar

Quote:National Collegiate Athletic Association v. Tarkanian
United States Supreme Court
488 U.S. 179 (1988)
Facts
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) (defendant) adopted rules governing the way its member college universities could engage in recruiting of athletes. After a lengthy investigation into the recruiting practices of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV) basketball team led by Coach Jerry Tarkanian (plaintiff), the NCAA investigative committee found that UNLV officials had committed 38 rules violations, including 10 by Tarkanian. The university decided to reassign Tarkanian rather than fire him. Thereafter, Tarkanian filed for an injunction, alleging the NCAA violated his due process rights. The trial court granted Tarkanian the injunction which prohibited UNLV from suspending him from coaching on the basis that he had been deprived of procedural and substantive due process. Tarkanian then filed suit against UNLV and the NCAA for violating his due process rights. The trial court held the NCAA’s actions did violate Tarkanian’s due process rights because it was a “state actor.” The NCAA appealed. The Nevada Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the trial court and the U.S. Supreme Court granted certiorari to review.

And to top it all off in 1992 Tarkanian filed a civil suit for harassment and won 2.5 Million in a settlement against the NCAA

Quote:In 1992, Tarkanian and his wife, Lois, filed a 77-page lawsuit against the NCAA, claiming it manufactured evidence to run him out of coaching on a 20-year vendetta. The legal wrangling ultimately ended six weeks before the lawsuit was set to go to trial in 1998, with the NCAA reaching a $2.5 million settlement with the Tarkanians.

when the NCAA and U of M found out about the 11.5k seems to be up in the air. Ballin and co say it is not new information and was known when they labelled wiseman eligible. however, the U of Ms statement reads as if the U of M has been working with the NCAA since May once they found out about the 11.5k.