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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-10-2019 07:55 PM)cmt Wrote:  From another thread, but kinda smells...

July 2019
...The NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee has selected Mitch Barnhart, the director of athletics at Kentucky, as its chair for the 2020-21 season. Barnhart will serve as vice chair of the committee for the upcoming season, working with 2019-20 committee chair Kevin White, who is vice president and director of athletics at Duke...

...Barnhart, who also will join the Division I Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee...

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Yeah. This point is very interesting in my mind regarding the timeline and reversal of their May announcement of eligibility.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-10-2019 07:55 PM)cmt Wrote:  From another thread, but kinda smells...

July 2019
...The NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee has selected Mitch Barnhart, the director of athletics at Kentucky, as its chair for the 2020-21 season. Barnhart will serve as vice chair of the committee for the upcoming season, working with 2019-20 committee chair Kevin White, who is vice president and director of athletics at Duke...

...Barnhart, who also will join the Division I Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee...


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Don’t they just pick the tournament?
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
Pretty sure Kentucky hired a NCAA compliance official a few years ago.

Cal and Barnhardt got her to call in a favor to investigate us for stuff Cal has intimate knowledge of.

Then Fredo tipped off GP about Penny and Wisemans mom.

We all know Wiseman was a Kentucky lock in 2017.

The only thing that I know of that has changed since May is Barnhardts inclusion and current position on the NCAA committee.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-10-2019 08:17 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 07:55 PM)cmt Wrote:  From another thread, but kinda smells...

July 2019
...The NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee has selected Mitch Barnhart, the director of athletics at Kentucky, as its chair for the 2020-21 season. Barnhart will serve as vice chair of the committee for the upcoming season, working with 2019-20 committee chair Kevin White, who is vice president and director of athletics at Duke...

...Barnhart, who also will join the Division I Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee...

whaddayaknow

Yeah. This point is very interesting in my mind regarding the timeline and reversal of their May announcement of eligibility.

Calkins was on the radio this morning and said that in his opinion Kentucky and Calipari are behind this.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
The NCAA found out about Penny's Donation in 2008 and determined he should be considered a booster.

If this is the reason they reopened the case it is CRAZY.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-10-2019 07:55 PM)cmt Wrote:  From another thread, but kinda smells...

July 2019
...The NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee has selected Mitch Barnhart, the director of athletics at Kentucky, as its chair for the 2020-21 season. Barnhart will serve as vice chair of the committee for the upcoming season, working with 2019-20 committee chair Kevin White, who is vice president and director of athletics at Duke...

...Barnhart, who also will join the Division I Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee...

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That doesn't just smell....it reeks.

Kentucky & Duke's ADs working together on the same committee, and magically 3 months after Barnhart joins oversight, we have this backtrack on the part of the NCAA. Come on....that's past suspicious.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
Someone is playing games...

And it is clear they did it to harm the university.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
The funniest (saddest, stupidest, etc ) part of all of this is that the NCAA says the reason Wiseman is ineligible is that Hardaway is a booster and that he is a booster because he donated over a million dollars to the university in 2007-8. In May of 2019 they didn't think that a seven figure donation made in 2007-8 made him a booster, but in October they think that it does?
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(11-11-2019 02:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  The funniest (saddest, stupidest, etc ) part of all of this is that the NCAA says the reason Wiseman is ineligible is that Hardaway is a booster and that he is a booster because he donated over a million dollars to the university in 2007-8. In May of 2019 they didn't think that a seven figure donation made in 2007-8 made him a booster, but in October they think that it does?

Maybe their Internet was down for a while lol.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-11-2019 12:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 07:55 PM)cmt Wrote:  From another thread, but kinda smells...

July 2019
...The NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee has selected Mitch Barnhart, the director of athletics at Kentucky, as its chair for the 2020-21 season. Barnhart will serve as vice chair of the committee for the upcoming season, working with 2019-20 committee chair Kevin White, who is vice president and director of athletics at Duke...

...Barnhart, who also will join the Division I Men’s Basketball Oversight Committee...

whaddayaknow

That doesn't just smell....it reeks.

Kentucky & Duke's ADs working together on the same committee, and magically 3 months after Barnhart joins oversight, we have this backtrack on the part of the NCAA. Come on....that's past suspicious.

Which makes me wonder why Bill Self and other members of The Good Old Boys Club, who are caught on FBI recordings, haven't been suspended. Unlike Wiseman, those guys were actually guilty. The NCAA is such a rigged system.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
Justice Department should investigate them under the RICO act
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
From the NCAA website

"Boosters play a role in providing student-athletes with a positive experience through their enthusiastic efforts. They can support teams and athletics departments through donations of time and financial resources which help student-athletes succeed on and off the playing field.

Boosters, referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of the institution’s athletic interests,” include anyone who has:

Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university.
Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs.
Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization.
Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes.
Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.
Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families.
Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.
Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever.
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Penny has done almost all of these, don't you think?

I understand this is a very rare circumstance. Hardaway is a extremely unique coach in almost every way and Wiseman is a special player, definitely already worth over $100,000,000.

The problem with the whole thing is that, yes, Penny was a "booster". He donated his time and money on several occasions to help the university and the athletic department.

He was also involved in a very meaningful way in youth basketball, as a AAU coach and in a coaching capacity at East high school. In performing his "job" (I know he didn't need the money) he was in constant contact with kids who may or may not be recruited by NCAA institutions in the future.

He must have given something (from a meal at Krystals to helping with living or moving expenses when he felt so moved or when he thought, within the rules that applied, it would help the kid and/or his team) to dozens, if not hundreds, of kids during his years at Lester, AAU and East.

I'm sure, at some point, he gave Lomax, Dandridge, Jefferies, and who-knows-how-many-more that didn't end up playing for him something.

If that made all these kids ineligible, wouldn't the NCAA have said something 2+ years ago and forced the university to never recruit anyone Hardaway had ever been involved with in his past? Of course it would, but they didn't.

I maintain that through the actions of the NCAA over the last 2+ years that Hardaway has been our coach, they had plenty of time to sort all of this out. Their decision to act last week after all this time is absolutely ludicrous and was done solely to hurt the Memphis basketball program and Hardaway, Wiseman, and all the players who joined Hardaway.

I also believe that the ground swell of support from media folks, as well as, other college and professional players, that the NCAA and the university should settle this with the proverbial "slap on the wrist" and the NCAA should go back to work fixing these stupid rules.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
In this circumstance, Penny should have NEVER been cleared to be deemed a “coach” with The UofM. He passed his “clearing” processes. So all of this is moot...Just as James was cleared to enroll and become a member of the basketball team for this season..... NCAA should be going into retraction mode, as the potential is looming for their “procedures” to protect certain “interests” will be emphasized
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
Moving a basketball players family from Nashville to Memphis to play H.S. basketball for hi I’m was in Memphis athletic program interest at that time?
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
(11-11-2019 03:24 PM)cmt Wrote:  
Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.

Any coach who has told one of his players to consider U of fill-in-the-blank becomes a booster forever by this clause.
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This is the real kicker...

Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

They intentionally leave this stuff vague and ambiguous so that they later have the discretion to bust whoever they so choose. Where does it stop? By letter of the law, they could claim I am a booster for walking down the street in a Tiger shirt without ever donating a dime to the university.
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(11-11-2019 03:54 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  This is the real kicker...

Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

They intentionally leave this stuff vague and ambiguous so that they later have the discretion to bust whoever they so choose. Where does it stop? By letter of the law, they could claim I am a booster for walking down the street in a Tiger shirt without ever donating a dime to the university.

All of that is fine...

But are they trying to convince us that they didn't classify hardaway as a booster until last week...

I just don't buy it...It doesn't make sense. 5 Months of investigations and they just now come to this conclusion...Come on.

The timing of this aint no accident.
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Once again, the question needs to be asked, under oath, why the NCAA decided to reopen this case.
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(11-10-2019 05:29 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 04:51 PM)cp44fla Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 04:36 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  There are two people I can think of. One is a bitter coach and the other is a bitter talk show guy who kisses that coach's arse. Somehow I think both have a hand in this.

I thought the exact same thing.

This isn’t about Wiseman. This is about Boogie.

So are you saying that Boogie's decommit and subsequent commitment to us is the cause of this? That would point to the coach on the east coast?

Yes.
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RE: So what happened that caused the NCAA to change their minds on Wiseman?
ncaa, don't want nothing to do with court, may have to answer for Carolina's no show classes, the fbi tapes on various coaches, the auburn money
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