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AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-10-2019 02:13 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  AP Top 25

Yes, Minnesota was impressive Saturday.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
Minnesota needs to be higher.
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Not even sure Baylor will make it at 13-0 vs 11-1 Bama and two loss Pac 12 Champ. Big 12 in danger.
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(11-10-2019 03:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Not even sure Baylor will make it at 13-0 vs 11-1 Bama and two loss Pac 12 Champ. Big 12 in danger.

What planet do you live on?
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-10-2019 09:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 03:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Not even sure Baylor will make it at 13-0 vs 11-1 Bama and two loss Pac 12 Champ. Big 12 in danger.

What planet do you live on?

11-1 Alabama might be better than 13-0 Baylor but the committee will not leave out an undefeated power conference champion. It’s not very defendable.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
Beating OU 2x is a little less meaningful now. Plus Baylor gets OU at home the first game instead of getting an opportunity on the road.

Baylor 13-0 or Oregon 12-1? With Baylor’s OOC schedule? I mean just give them Bama in the Sugar and they will be spanked.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

It is beyond time for an expanded playoff. 6 highest rated conference champs plus 2 at large.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

It is beyond time for an expanded playoff. 6 highest rated conference champs plus 2 at large.

Not even a conference champ, but they've gone twice without winning their own division.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

I disagree. I think the CFP rankings last week - which had Oregon and Utah ahead of Oklahoma and Baylor - make it clear the committee values the PAC teams more highly.

Now if Baylor runs the table and goes unbeaten, they will make the playoffs. But if it comes down to a one-loss PAC champ vs a one-loss Big 12 champ, I think the PAC champ will get the nod
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-11-2019 11:07 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

It is beyond time for an expanded playoff. 6 highest rated conference champs plus 2 at large.

Not even a conference champ, but they've gone twice without winning their own division.

Alabama? They've gone once without winning their division, in 2017. Ohio State did the same in 2016.

And IMO, in both cases the committee got it right. In 2017, Alabama's resume was better than B1G champ Ohio State's, and in 2016 Ohio State's resume was better than their own conference champ Penn State's.

You can't just look at conference games, you have to look at all the games.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-10-2019 10:10 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 09:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 03:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Not even sure Baylor will make it at 13-0 vs 11-1 Bama and two loss Pac 12 Champ. Big 12 in danger.

What planet do you live on?

11-1 Alabama might be better than 13-0 Baylor but the committee will not leave out an undefeated power conference champion. It’s not very defendable.

And saying a 2 loss P12 team would be put ahead of a 1 loss Big 12 team is just stupid. Maybe the poster isn't really a total idiot and simply mis-typed and meant a 1 loss P12 team.
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(11-11-2019 07:47 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Beating OU 2x is a little less meaningful now. Plus Baylor gets OU at home the first game instead of getting an opportunity on the road.

Baylor 13-0 or Oregon 12-1? With Baylor’s OOC schedule? I mean just give them Bama in the Sugar and they will be spanked.

I remember people saying the same thing when OU destroyed Alabama in the Sugar a few years back and when Texas dominated Georgia last year.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-11-2019 11:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 11:07 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

It is beyond time for an expanded playoff. 6 highest rated conference champs plus 2 at large.

Not even a conference champ, but they've gone twice without winning their own division.

Alabama? They've gone once without winning their division, in 2017. Ohio State did the same in 2016.

And IMO, in both cases the committee got it right. In 2017, Alabama's resume was better than B1G champ Ohio State's, and in 2016 Ohio State's resume was better than their own conference champ Penn State's.

You can't just look at conference games, you have to look at all the games.

They also did it in 2011.
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(11-11-2019 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

I disagree. I think the CFP rankings last week - which had Oregon and Utah ahead of Oklahoma and Baylor - make it clear the committee values the PAC teams more highly.

Now if Baylor runs the table and goes unbeaten, they will make the playoffs. But if it comes down to a one-loss PAC champ vs a one-loss Big 12 champ, I think the PAC champ will get the nod

OU almost certainly gets the nod and probably Baylor too. Look at the remaining schedule. OU will have Baylor twice (or Baylor and Texas/OSU/KSU) and Oklahoma St. Baylor would have Texas and OU twice (or OU and Texas/OSU/KSU). Oregon has 5-4 Arizona St. and 4-5 Arizona and Oregon St. plus maybe Utah. Utah has 4-5 UCLA and Arizona and 4-6 Colorado plus Oregon. So that's 3 ranked teams vs. 1.

Style points matter so that could make a difference either way. OU lost some style points with their 4th Q vs. ISU, as did Baylor vs. TCU.

As for the conference as a whole, the Big 12 had the only 3 loss team in the initial CFP-Oklahoma St. And KSU was several slots higher than the AP and Coaches' poll had them.
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RE: AP Poll - 1. LSU, 2. Ohio St., 3. Clemson, 4. Alabama - 7. Minnesota
(11-11-2019 12:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 11:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 10:48 AM)Shox Wrote:  The committee could rank Minnesota #1 and it wouldn't matter. The only way they get in is if they are 13-0 with a win against Ohio State.

Screw Bama...it is beyond nauseous that you don't have to be a conference champ to get a playoff spot when there are 5 conferences vying for four spots.

Unless Clemson and Oklahoma both lose, Oregon is screwed. A one loss Big XII champ will get the invite.

I disagree. I think the CFP rankings last week - which had Oregon and Utah ahead of Oklahoma and Baylor - make it clear the committee values the PAC teams more highly.

Now if Baylor runs the table and goes unbeaten, they will make the playoffs. But if it comes down to a one-loss PAC champ vs a one-loss Big 12 champ, I think the PAC champ will get the nod

OU almost certainly gets the nod and probably Baylor too. Look at the remaining schedule. OU will have Baylor twice (or Baylor and Texas/OSU/KSU) and Oklahoma St. Baylor would have Texas and OU twice (or OU and Texas/OSU/KSU). Oregon has 5-4 Arizona St. and 4-5 Arizona and Oregon St. plus maybe Utah. Utah has 4-5 UCLA and Arizona and 4-6 Colorado plus Oregon. So that's 3 ranked teams vs. 1.

Style points matter so that could make a difference either way. OU lost some style points with their 4th Q vs. ISU, as did Baylor vs. TCU.

As for the conference as a whole, the Big 12 had the only 3 loss team in the initial CFP-Oklahoma St. And KSU was several slots higher than the AP and Coaches' poll had them.

The Pac-12 and the Big 12 are similar. The Pac-12 has Oregon and Utah at 8-1. Every other school has 4 to 6 wins. They are all bowl eligible at this point. The Big 12 has an unbeaten Baylor at 9-0 and OU at 8-1. Every other school has 3 to 6 wins. They are all bowl eligible at this point.

If Oregon and Utah are one loss teams in a championship game, then the Oregon or Utah winner comes out of the game with a conference championship and a top ten win. In the Big 12, OU and Baylor play this weekend. A loss by OU and they are done. A loss by Baylor and they are done.

A 12-1 OU team can make an argument for being in the playoff. But I think a 12-1 Oregon, undefeated in conference and with 12 straight wins, is in better shape. Besides the clock mismanagement loss in the last nine seconds to Auburn, the 56-24 win at USC was impressive. That was a statement win. Utah lost at USC, 30-23. A 12-1 OU team, in my opinion, should get the edge over a 12-1 Utah team.

What makes this difficult is that everybody knows how talented Alabama is. Oregon, according to a draft report I receive, has at least six players in the top 100 of the 2020 NFL draft, three on the offensive line. They have some good talent. In a recent mock draft in Pro Football Focus, Alabama had six players going in the first round. They have a ridiculous amount of talent at Alabama. The problem is their schedule and the loss to LSU. Their defense was shredded against LSU at home. Against Clemson in the national championship game, their defense was also shredded.

Those are the two biggest games in 2019 Alabama has played in. It would seem that they might have a defensive problem that they need to address. So if they get in over a one-loss Oregon or one-loss OU, it is just based on projected NFL talent on their roster.
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