(11-05-2019 01:48 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I think there are going to be more than enough six win teams to keep out Jerry's kids

Is Liberty year 2 of transition or are they done?

If they are done with transition then the total number of six win teams isn't relevant. The relevant questions are:
Will Liberty win enough FBS games to be eligible (probably yes)
Will AAC have enough bowl eligible teams to cover Cure (maybe not if AAC makes access).

Liberty has a contract making them the back-up selection for Cure.
If they haven't completed transition then they are likely hosed because we are on pace to have three more eligible teams than we have bowls.

(11-05-2019 12:34 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Putting biases aside from a financial perspective isn't this the best scenario: App wins out, beats ULL in championship game. App goes to a "higher" bowl with a P5, ULL brings 40k fans to NOLA, SBC has six total bowl games.

Best case scenario for the conference is App, GaSo and Louisiana all win out; then Louisiana beats GaSo in a packed Cajun field to win the conference. That way, the conference could have 2 ranked teams (App at 11-1, Louisiana at 11-2) AND have the revenue from 50k+ in NOLA for that bowl, while App gets a good bowl in their area as well.

This is a great point, and a scenario I didn't think through.

(11-05-2019 03:27 PM)CasualFanCCU Wrote:  I was inspired by GaSoEagle's use of FPI:

So it seems A-State is likely to finish above GS. Makes sense to me.

Don t really have a good feeling for how we will finish the season. The Troy game will tell me alot

Liberty is done with their transition. They need seven wins as they have two FCS games.

Updated with last week's results and latest FPI.

(11-05-2019 11:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:07 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Putting biases aside from a financial perspective isn't this the best scenario: App wins out, beats ULL in championship game. App goes to a "higher" bowl with a P5, ULL brings 40k fans to NOLA, SBC has six total bowl games.

Who's to say that the New Orleans Bowl lets App out of the contract in that scenario? Of course ULL putting 40k in New Orleans is big for the actual game, the committee makes more from the TV deal I bet than ticket sales. Having a ranked team probably nets them more money.

If App wins the conference then they are going to New Orleans. No way all of the half dozen G5 teams above them fall so that none of them are eligible for the Cotton Bowl. For App to get a better bowl someone else will have to win the conference and the SBC will need to have 6 overall bowl eligible teams. App will then need to have ESPN broker them into a bigger bowl game.

I mean... That's what we're saying. The SBCC will be playing in NOLA. I don't see any scenario where the NOLA committee releases the SBC champion, even if it were to lock in ULL.

What leverage does the Sun Belt and ESPN have here? The Sun Belt has plenty of incentive to push App to the Belk Bowl (and the Belk Bowl may have some incentive to court App) while pushing Louisiana to New Orleans for a match-up against Louisiana Tech. App simply isn't going to bring the number of people that either of those schools will.

However, App getting matched-up against Virginia Tech or UVA in the Belk Bowl would almost certainly draw a large crowd, both on TV and in person, offer higher payout to the conference, and raise the profile of the conference.

There are many positions to take here that make sense objectively for all involved.

Disclaimer: This is the Fun Belt and anything can happen between now and the first week in December

(11-05-2019 09:20 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 08:40 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:55 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  With all the love ESPN is showing App this year should they win out and if we get six I wonder if ESPN brokers them into a bigger bowl?

Depends. Does App win out and become the conference champ again? If so, I hope App honors the agreement with NOLA. If App wins out but doesn't win the conference, then I could see ESPN picking them for something not in the Sun Belt bowl lineup. In that scenario App would probably be ranked and I'm sure a southern bowl would like a ranked team.

Of course I'd like for GS to win out and get a chance to play for the conference championship. If that happens I'd also like to see App win out, win your bowl game and finish the season in the top 25 because it's good for all of us if you guys can accomplish that.

(11-11-2019 10:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:07 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Putting biases aside from a financial perspective isn't this the best scenario: App wins out, beats ULL in championship game. App goes to a "higher" bowl with a P5, ULL brings 40k fans to NOLA, SBC has six total bowl games.

Who's to say that the New Orleans Bowl lets App out of the contract in that scenario? Of course ULL putting 40k in New Orleans is big for the actual game, the committee makes more from the TV deal I bet than ticket sales. Having a ranked team probably nets them more money.

If App wins the conference then they are going to New Orleans. No way all of the half dozen G5 teams above them fall so that none of them are eligible for the Cotton Bowl. For App to get a better bowl someone else will have to win the conference and the SBC will need to have 6 overall bowl eligible teams. App will then need to have ESPN broker them into a bigger bowl game.

I mean... That's what we're saying. The SBCC will be playing in NOLA. I don't see any scenario where the NOLA committee releases the SBC champion, even if it were to lock in ULL.

What leverage does the Sun Belt and ESPN have here? The Sun Belt has plenty of incentive to push App to the Belk Bowl (and the Belk Bowl may have some incentive to court App) while pushing Louisiana to New Orleans for a match-up against Louisiana Tech. App simply isn't going to bring the number of people that either of those schools will.

However, App getting matched-up against Virginia Tech or UVA in the Belk Bowl would almost certainly draw a large crowd, both on TV and in person, offer higher payout to the conference, and raise the profile of the conference.

There are many positions to take here that make sense objectively for all involved.

Disclaimer: This is the Fun Belt and anything can happen between now and the first week in December

It’s a moot point if we don’t get six teams to bowl eligibility.

(11-11-2019 10:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:07 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:03 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Putting biases aside from a financial perspective isn't this the best scenario: App wins out, beats ULL in championship game. App goes to a "higher" bowl with a P5, ULL brings 40k fans to NOLA, SBC has six total bowl games.

Who's to say that the New Orleans Bowl lets App out of the contract in that scenario? Of course ULL putting 40k in New Orleans is big for the actual game, the committee makes more from the TV deal I bet than ticket sales. Having a ranked team probably nets them more money.

If App wins the conference then they are going to New Orleans. No way all of the half dozen G5 teams above them fall so that none of them are eligible for the Cotton Bowl. For App to get a better bowl someone else will have to win the conference and the SBC will need to have 6 overall bowl eligible teams. App will then need to have ESPN broker them into a bigger bowl game.

I mean... That's what we're saying. The SBCC will be playing in NOLA. I don't see any scenario where the NOLA committee releases the SBC champion, even if it were to lock in ULL.

What leverage does the Sun Belt and ESPN have here? The Sun Belt has plenty of incentive to push App to the Belk Bowl (and the Belk Bowl may have some incentive to court App) while pushing Louisiana to New Orleans for a match-up against Louisiana Tech. App simply isn't going to bring the number of people that either of those schools will.

However, App getting matched-up against Virginia Tech or UVA in the Belk Bowl would almost certainly draw a large crowd, both on TV and in person, offer higher payout to the conference, and raise the profile of the conference.

There are many positions to take here that make sense objectively for all involved.

Disclaimer: This is the Fun Belt and anything can happen between now and the first week in December

ESPN and the Sun Belt would have to ask the NOLA Bowl to take someone else. In the past the NOLA bowl has done that, but not since becoming the bowl where the SBC Champ plays. WAY too early to be thinking about who the SBC Champ will be. Three conference teams left for App all looking to prove something. And ULL looking like a pissed off beast in the corner just waiting to rip someone apart in the CCG.

(11-11-2019 10:43 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:07 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Who's to say that the New Orleans Bowl lets App out of the contract in that scenario? Of course ULL putting 40k in New Orleans is big for the actual game, the committee makes more from the TV deal I bet than ticket sales. Having a ranked team probably nets them more money.

If App wins the conference then they are going to New Orleans. No way all of the half dozen G5 teams above them fall so that none of them are eligible for the Cotton Bowl. For App to get a better bowl someone else will have to win the conference and the SBC will need to have 6 overall bowl eligible teams. App will then need to have ESPN broker them into a bigger bowl game.

I mean... That's what we're saying. The SBCC will be playing in NOLA. I don't see any scenario where the NOLA committee releases the SBC champion, even if it were to lock in ULL.

What leverage does the Sun Belt and ESPN have here? The Sun Belt has plenty of incentive to push App to the Belk Bowl (and the Belk Bowl may have some incentive to court App) while pushing Louisiana to New Orleans for a match-up against Louisiana Tech. App simply isn't going to bring the number of people that either of those schools will.

However, App getting matched-up against Virginia Tech or UVA in the Belk Bowl would almost certainly draw a large crowd, both on TV and in person, offer higher payout to the conference, and raise the profile of the conference.

There are many positions to take here that make sense objectively for all involved.

Disclaimer: This is the Fun Belt and anything can happen between now and the first week in December

ESPN and the Sun Belt would have to ask the NOLA Bowl to take someone else. In the past the NOLA bowl has done that, but not since becoming the bowl where the SBC Champ plays. WAY too early to be thinking about who the SBC Champ will be. Three conference teams left for App all looking to prove something. And ULL looking like a pissed off beast in the corner just waiting to rip someone apart in the CCG.

In a scenario where the conference champion (app?) was offered a higher profile bowl and the New Orleans Bowl was offered a Louisiana VS say LA Tech matchup, I think they would go along with it. This would sell a lot of tickets and bring a lot of folks into New Orleans.

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)CW Fishman Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:43 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 11:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  If App wins the conference then they are going to New Orleans. No way all of the half dozen G5 teams above them fall so that none of them are eligible for the Cotton Bowl. For App to get a better bowl someone else will have to win the conference and the SBC will need to have 6 overall bowl eligible teams. App will then need to have ESPN broker them into a bigger bowl game.

I mean... That's what we're saying. The SBCC will be playing in NOLA. I don't see any scenario where the NOLA committee releases the SBC champion, even if it were to lock in ULL.

What leverage does the Sun Belt and ESPN have here? The Sun Belt has plenty of incentive to push App to the Belk Bowl (and the Belk Bowl may have some incentive to court App) while pushing Louisiana to New Orleans for a match-up against Louisiana Tech. App simply isn't going to bring the number of people that either of those schools will.

However, App getting matched-up against Virginia Tech or UVA in the Belk Bowl would almost certainly draw a large crowd, both on TV and in person, offer higher payout to the conference, and raise the profile of the conference.

There are many positions to take here that make sense objectively for all involved.

Disclaimer: This is the Fun Belt and anything can happen between now and the first week in December

ESPN and the Sun Belt would have to ask the NOLA Bowl to take someone else. In the past the NOLA bowl has done that, but not since becoming the bowl where the SBC Champ plays. WAY too early to be thinking about who the SBC Champ will be. Three conference teams left for App all looking to prove something. And ULL looking like a pissed off beast in the corner just waiting to rip someone apart in the CCG.

In a scenario where the conference champion (app?) was offered a higher profile bowl and the New Orleans Bowl was offered a Louisiana VS say LA Tech matchup, I think they would go along with it. This would sell a lot of tickets and bring a lot of folks into New Orleans.

This is ultimately what they want anyway. People get caught up in the quality of teams and all that, but bowls really just want matchups that drive money into the town/bowl. That's a matchup that would definitely do that.

I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

Belk Bowl reaching to get a 6-6 CUSA team? Damn new low for them.

(11-11-2019 11:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

Belk Bowl reaching to get a 6-6 CUSA team? Damn new low for them.

https://belkbowl.com/game-day/media/media-projections/

and

https://twitter.com/belkbowl/status/1192802456809431043


If UNCC goes to the Belk Bowl, good on them. I think the Belk Bowl would sell more tickets if it were App vs. VT rather than VT vs. UNCC. But, who knows.

(11-11-2019 11:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

Belk Bowl reaching to get a 6-6 CUSA team? Damn new low for them.

https://belkbowl.com/game-day/media/media-projections/

and

https://twitter.com/belkbowl/status/1192802456809431043


If UNCC goes to the Belk Bowl, good on them. I think the Belk Bowl would sell more tickets if it were App vs. VT rather than VT vs. UNCC. But, who knows.

The Belk Bowl has SEC and ACC tie ins, right? Isn't this contractual?

(11-11-2019 12:02 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

Belk Bowl reaching to get a 6-6 CUSA team? Damn new low for them.

https://belkbowl.com/game-day/media/media-projections/

and

https://twitter.com/belkbowl/status/1192802456809431043


If UNCC goes to the Belk Bowl, good on them. I think the Belk Bowl would sell more tickets if it were App vs. VT rather than VT vs. UNCC. But, who knows.

The Belk Bowl has SEC and ACC tie ins, right? Isn't this contractual?

Some think the SEC won't be able to fill all their bowl slots and it would leave an open slot for UNCC to slide into.

https://imgur.com/a/YGv74KM

6+ Wins already: APP, UL, GSU

SP+ Probability of 6+ Wins:

98.9% A-State
92.1% GS

36.7% CC
29.7% Troy
21.3% ULM

1.0% TXST
0.0% USA

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:57 AM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  I think App in the Belk Bowl would be genius. Isnt that in Charlotte? You know there would be a good crowd.

The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

How many tickets would UNCC sell? 16,000? MAYBE?

App getting matched up against Virginia Tech would provide incentive to turn a stadium into KBS East. I'd venture a guess to say that App could bring 30,000 fans to a bowl game against Virginia or Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech would bring the other 40,000 to fill out the stadium.

Nevermind that App has reach beyond tickets sold in that people watch the games. ESPN wouldn't be moving App games to their regular channels without there being an obvious uptick in viewership and interest in App State the FBS version.

Again, if App is in position to make the Belk Bowl, App State, the Sun Belt, and ESPN all have incentive to match App up there. When was the last time a G5 team beat 3 P5 teams in one season?

App pushing for that opportunity seems like a necessity.

(11-11-2019 12:05 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:02 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:00 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  The Belk Bowl has been tweeting out to UNCC. So they might want to get UNCC in the game for the reason y'all said: tickets.

Belk Bowl reaching to get a 6-6 CUSA team? Damn new low for them.

https://belkbowl.com/game-day/media/media-projections/

and

https://twitter.com/belkbowl/status/1192802456809431043


If UNCC goes to the Belk Bowl, good on them. I think the Belk Bowl would sell more tickets if it were App vs. VT rather than VT vs. UNCC. But, who knows.

The Belk Bowl has SEC and ACC tie ins, right? Isn't this contractual?

Some think the SEC won't be able to fill all their bowl slots and it would leave an open slot for UNCC to slide into.

Why would they want UNCC? Realistically, how many fans is UNCC going to bring? The match-up of the game itself matters as well. If you have Wake Forest and UNCC playing in the Belk Bowl and no one is there to see it, did it really happen? They would be lucky to fill the bottom bowl with that match-up.

Put App and Louisville in it.