(08-03-2020 10:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  jarron "toasted us" with the title on the line....he scored 33.....but cincy as a whole only scored 69..we didnt lose because jarron scored 33, we lost becuase we only scored 57 points...without Williams on the court, we easily put up more than 69 points

the last 5 houston vs cincy games--win or lose -their has been 1 player to randomly go off, if you watch the highlights of that player its never the player Williams is guarding (dejon, corey, armoni sasser then mills)..the games corey, armoni and mills went off jarron was their main defender--

@ kskenyon4 -- i dont doubt Williams will have great individual offensive games..and i dont doubt he can do 15 a game..i do question if he can do 15 efficiently, especially now that defenses will be focusing on him, on a worse 3pt shooting team that can crowd the paint

I swear you’d rather die then give Jarron credit.


But JC forgives. He blesses you even if you know not what you do


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(08-03-2020 10:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  jarron "toasted us" with the title on the line....he scored 33.....but cincy as a whole only scored 69..we didnt lose because jarron scored 33, we lost becuase we only scored 57 points...without Williams on the court, we easily put up more than 69 points

the last 5 houston vs cincy games--win or lose -their has been 1 player to randomly go off, if you watch the highlights of that player its never the player Williams is guarding (dejon, corey, armoni sasser then mills)..the games corey, armoni and mills went off jarron was their main defender--

@ kskenyon4 -- i dont doubt Williams will have great individual offensive games..and i dont doubt he can do 15 a game..i do question if he can do 15 efficiently, especially now that defenses will be focusing on him, on a worse 3pt shooting team that can crowd the paint

Lololol


Also Keith Williams played just 19 minutes in the AAC tourney game. He scored 4 points 2 boards, 2 blocks and 1 steal

Jarron played 35. And had 33 points and 8 boards.


Cane Broome stole his minutes that game and had 28 min

But yes, the reason why houston scored only 57 was because Keith Williams 19 minutes and 2 blocks and 1 steal sealed the game.


Or maybe it was because we punked you on the boards, Jarron was a killer and our team defense was elite at protecting the 2 point shot


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(08-04-2020 01:13 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 10:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  jarron "toasted us" with the title on the line....he scored 33.....but cincy as a whole only scored 69..we didnt lose because jarron scored 33, we lost becuase we only scored 57 points...without Williams on the court, we easily put up more than 69 points

the last 5 houston vs cincy games--win or lose -their has been 1 player to randomly go off, if you watch the highlights of that player its never the player Williams is guarding (dejon, corey, armoni sasser then mills)..the games corey, armoni and mills went off jarron was their main defender--

@ kskenyon4 -- i dont doubt Williams will have great individual offensive games..and i dont doubt he can do 15 a game..i do question if he can do 15 efficiently, especially now that defenses will be focusing on him, on a worse 3pt shooting team that can crowd the paint

Lololol


Also Keith Williams played just 19 minutes in the AAC tourney game. He scored 4 points 2 boards, 2 blocks and 1 steal

Jarron played 35. And had 33 points and 8 boards.


Cane Broome stole his minutes that game and had 28 min

But yes, the reason why houston scored only 57 was because Keith Williams 19 minutes and 2 blocks and 1 steal sealed the game.


Or maybe it was because we punked you on the boards, Jarron was a killer and our team defense was elite at protecting the 2 point shot


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i remember that game like it was yesterday..
i memorize who Williams has guarded every game because it always defines the game..

the 1st game that season you put williams on mostly corey and some armoni (took both out the game), but then left dejon with jenifer and broome and dejon just ate them up

in the 2nd game you had Williams on armoni and dejon when armoni wasnt in --which had relative success-Corey was scoring a lot (had jarron on him) but still you guys were up early in the 2nd. then willams got in foul trouble ..and then we went up like 30 in a 4 minute game span

the 3rd game it was the same game plan as the 2nd..but had williams almost exclusively stayed on dejon--and he completely took dejon out the game (dejon went 2 for 10 from the field)..you guys left corey to score again (had broome and jenifer on his) but he just had a really bad shooting day

please dont use block and steal stats to define who had a great "defensive game" ...you know better than that....watch the game film you have synergy

and jarron had bad defensive games in all of them---even the title game you won---armoni was going off ON JARRON till a second half switch to put scott on armoni (not sure if you remember the 1st half armoni and cumberland were trash talking each other from scoring on each other...you were making jokes about in the game thread after the game, because he had 35 in the end and won)..jarron was liteally letting corey score so much in the second game he was benched (your coach called him out post game)

(08-04-2020 01:07 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  But JC forgives. He blesses you even if you know not what you do

i have never once in history called jarron bad...saying someone is great, but not a god is your definition of not giving credit lol

(08-03-2020 09:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

AAC kick for him

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in what to me is the death blow for aaron mckie...temples biggest basketball target for the last 2 seasons..the only touted recruit that temple had a realistic chance of landing (at one point the favorite), stevie mitchell has chosen marquette

i dont see temple being good this year, i dont see temple being good next year ....i think mckie will be fired then

(08-04-2020 09:26 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 09:57 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

AAC kick for him

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Agree with both of those tweets. AAC should be fun to watch this year

(07-29-2020 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  Three Man Weave (popular college basketball blog) continues its top 50 rankings
SMU at #38, with a very indepth preview of SMU
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/smu-2020-21-preview

(there was no preview for Wichita, only top 40 got articles, but they have Wichita at #45)

they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

(08-04-2020 02:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 01:13 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 10:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  jarron "toasted us" with the title on the line....he scored 33.....but cincy as a whole only scored 69..we didnt lose because jarron scored 33, we lost becuase we only scored 57 points...without Williams on the court, we easily put up more than 69 points

the last 5 houston vs cincy games--win or lose -their has been 1 player to randomly go off, if you watch the highlights of that player its never the player Williams is guarding (dejon, corey, armoni sasser then mills)..the games corey, armoni and mills went off jarron was their main defender--

@ kskenyon4 -- i dont doubt Williams will have great individual offensive games..and i dont doubt he can do 15 a game..i do question if he can do 15 efficiently, especially now that defenses will be focusing on him, on a worse 3pt shooting team that can crowd the paint

Lololol


Also Keith Williams played just 19 minutes in the AAC tourney game. He scored 4 points 2 boards, 2 blocks and 1 steal

Jarron played 35. And had 33 points and 8 boards.


Cane Broome stole his minutes that game and had 28 min

But yes, the reason why houston scored only 57 was because Keith Williams 19 minutes and 2 blocks and 1 steal sealed the game.


Or maybe it was because we punked you on the boards, Jarron was a killer and our team defense was elite at protecting the 2 point shot


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i remember that game like it was yesterday..
i memorize who Williams has guarded every game because it always defines the game..

the 1st game that season you put williams on mostly corey and some armoni (took both out the game), but then left dejon with jenifer and broome and dejon just ate them up

in the 2nd game you had Williams on armoni and dejon when armoni wasnt in --which had relative success-Corey was scoring a lot (had jarron on him) but still you guys were up early in the 2nd. then willams got in foul trouble ..and then we went up like 30 in a 4 minute game span

the 3rd game it was the same game plan as the 2nd..but had williams almost exclusively stayed on dejon--and he completely took dejon out the game (dejon went 2 for 10 from the field)..you guys left corey to score again (had broome and jenifer on his) but he just had a really bad shooting day

please dont use block and steal stats to define who had a great "defensive game" ...you know better than that....watch the game film you have synergy

and jarron had bad defensive games in all of them---even the title game you won---armoni was going off ON JARRON till a second half switch to put scott on armoni (not sure if you remember the 1st half armoni and cumberland were trash talking each other from scoring on each other...you were making jokes about in the game thread after the game, because he had 35 in the end and won)..jarron was liteally letting corey score so much in the second game he was benched (your coach called him out post game)

Lol I did rewatch the game. I have it saved on my Dropbox.

If Jarron doesn’t play uc gets smoked
If Keith doesn’t play his paltry ineffective 19 minutes, uc still wins.

Are you really going to refute that ?


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(08-06-2020 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  Three Man Weave (popular college basketball blog) continues its top 50 rankings
SMU at #38, with a very indepth preview of SMU
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/smu-2020-21-preview

(there was no preview for Wichita, only top 40 got articles, but they have Wichita at #45)

they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

(08-06-2020 05:05 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Lol I did rewatch the game. I have it saved on my Dropbox.

If Jarron doesn’t play uc gets smoked
If Keith doesn’t play his paltry ineffective 19 minutes, uc still wins.

Are you really going to refute that ?


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we scored 57 points total, offense isnt why you won.. the person who scored the most for houston was being defended by Cumberland..youd be "smoked" without cumbland is a stretch..you could have scored 58 without him

i dont know who wins but that game completely plays out differently if willaims doesnt play that 1st half ..williams didnt play a lot in the second half, but we were already down big them ,and forcing shots trying to get back in

corey had a bad game despite an easier defensive matchup..sampson said he had been injured in the memphis game the day prior..so he probably wasnt going to have a good game regardless of who played...without williams it would have been easier for someone else to step up

(08-06-2020 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  Three Man Weave (popular college basketball blog) continues its top 50 rankings
SMU at #38, with a very indepth preview of SMU
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/smu-2020-21-preview

(there was no preview for Wichita, only top 40 got articles, but they have Wichita at #45)

they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

(08-06-2020 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  Three Man Weave (popular college basketball blog) continues its top 50 rankings
SMU at #38, with a very indepth preview of SMU
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/smu-2020-21-preview

(there was no preview for Wichita, only top 40 got articles, but they have Wichita at #45)

they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

Plus, we added Rand, the 6-9 #1 Juco shot blocker with a 44" standing vertical, and FL transfer Isaiah Stokes, a 4 star C out of HS in 2017.

We will be maybe the best defensive team in the country, with or without Nolley and Williams. As Pesik says, the key is the offense of our guards.

But Nolley and Williams both add offense, and Williams would start at the 4 with DJ at the 3. I guess Nolley could play a big 2 and fight it out with Quinones there, or with DJ at the 3.

Now if somehow Nolley makes it and Williams doesn't (doubtful), DJ would start at the 4, Nolley at the 3 and Lester at the 2.

IMO, Boogie and Lester are the keys to the season.

(08-06-2020 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-29-2020 02:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  Three Man Weave (popular college basketball blog) continues its top 50 rankings
SMU at #38, with a very indepth preview of SMU
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/smu-2020-21-preview

(there was no preview for Wichita, only top 40 got articles, but they have Wichita at #45)

they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

Plus, we added Rand, the 6-9 #1 Juco shot blocker with a 44" standing vertical, and FL transfer Isaiah Stokes, a 4 star C out of HS in 2017.

We will be maybe the best defensive team in the country, with or without Nolley and Williams. As Pesik says, the key is the offense of our guards.

But Nolley and Williams both add offense, and Williams would start at the 4 with DJ at the 3. I guess Nolley could play a big 2 and fight it out with Quinones there, or with DJ at the 3.

Now if somehow Nolley makes it and Williams doesn't (doubtful), DJ would start at the 4, Nolley at the 3 and Lester at the 2.

IMO, Boogie and Lester are the keys to the season.

The offense is what I'm not sold on. That's why I mentioned Nolley. Last year you had Precious to play through and everyone had to be really aware of him as a scorer. I'm not 100% sold that Cisse will be an improvement there. You guys already led the nation in lowest FG%, there's not a ton of room for improvement there. It's going to be you guards getting better on offense that's going to have to get you over the hump. Without Nolley, I'm not sold until I see actual statistical improvement from Quinones, Bough, Ellis.

(08-07-2020 02:17 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 11:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  they have Memphis at 30 and arent accounting for either williams or nolley

indepth preview
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/memp...21-preview

If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

Plus, we added Rand, the 6-9 #1 Juco shot blocker with a 44" standing vertical, and FL transfer Isaiah Stokes, a 4 star C out of HS in 2017.

We will be maybe the best defensive team in the country, with or without Nolley and Williams. As Pesik says, the key is the offense of our guards.

But Nolley and Williams both add offense, and Williams would start at the 4 with DJ at the 3. I guess Nolley could play a big 2 and fight it out with Quinones there, or with DJ at the 3.

Now if somehow Nolley makes it and Williams doesn't (doubtful), DJ would start at the 4, Nolley at the 3 and Lester at the 2.

IMO, Boogie and Lester are the keys to the season.

The offense is what I'm not sold on. That's why I mentioned Nolley. Last year you had Precious to play through and everyone had to be really aware of him as a scorer. I'm not 100% sold that Cisse will be an improvement there. You guys already led the nation in lowest FG%, there's not a ton of room for improvement there. It's going to be you guards getting better on offense that's going to have to get you over the hump. Without Nolley, I'm not sold until I see actual statistical improvement from Quinones, Bough, Ellis.

I don't disagree with most of that. I'm just not sure where Nolley fits in, position-wise. He's not really a 2, he's a 4 who wants to be a 3 or 2. I actually think DJ is a better player, and he should start at the 3, but only if Williams gets a waiver.

I suppose if Nolley gets a waiver, and Williams doesn't (seems unlikely), then he could start at the 3, DJ at the 4, Lester at the 2.

And Lester is not the real problem. He averaged over 10 ppg, although he didn't shoot that well (40% FG, 32% 3, 80% FT). But he hustled everywhere, rebounded and played good D.

Boogie and Baugh shot slightly better from the field, but they can't hit FTs. Boogie 68%, Baugh 56%. Boogie is a liability on D, and Baugh is wildly inconsistent.

But our biggest issue on offense last year was turnovers. Stupid ones, at that.

But let's say both Nolley and Williams get waivers, then it won't matter, and Nolley & Williams will likely be leading scorers, along with DJ. It would likely be a starting lineup of Cisse, Williams, DJ, Nolley and Boogie, with Lester first off the bench. But Nolley would be playing the 2, which I think is out of position for him.

And Cisse will be defense first, not offense. He's raw.

Without either waiver, the hope has to be a big leap for Boogie and Baugh from freshmen to sophs, and to a lesser extent, Lester. Especially with turnovers.

But it'll be more fun for Memphis fans if we get the waivers.

(08-07-2020 03:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 02:17 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  If Memphis doesn't get Nolley I don't see them being top 30. Are they arguing that Cisse is so much better than Precious was that they'll be that much improved?

they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

Plus, we added Rand, the 6-9 #1 Juco shot blocker with a 44" standing vertical, and FL transfer Isaiah Stokes, a 4 star C out of HS in 2017.

We will be maybe the best defensive team in the country, with or without Nolley and Williams. As Pesik says, the key is the offense of our guards.

But Nolley and Williams both add offense, and Williams would start at the 4 with DJ at the 3. I guess Nolley could play a big 2 and fight it out with Quinones there, or with DJ at the 3.

Now if somehow Nolley makes it and Williams doesn't (doubtful), DJ would start at the 4, Nolley at the 3 and Lester at the 2.

IMO, Boogie and Lester are the keys to the season.

The offense is what I'm not sold on. That's why I mentioned Nolley. Last year you had Precious to play through and everyone had to be really aware of him as a scorer. I'm not 100% sold that Cisse will be an improvement there. You guys already led the nation in lowest FG%, there's not a ton of room for improvement there. It's going to be you guards getting better on offense that's going to have to get you over the hump. Without Nolley, I'm not sold until I see actual statistical improvement from Quinones, Bough, Ellis.

I don't disagree with most of that. I'm just not sure where Nolley fits in, position-wise. He's not really a 2, he's a 4 who wants to be a 3 or 2. I actually think DJ is a better player, and he should start at the 3, but only if Williams gets a waiver.

I suppose if Nolley gets a waiver, and Williams doesn't (seems unlikely), then he could start at the 3, DJ at the 4, Lester at the 2.

And Lester is not the real problem. He averaged over 10 ppg, although he didn't shoot that well (40% FG, 32% 3, 80% FT). But he hustled everywhere, rebounded and played good D.

Boogie and Baugh shot slightly better from the field, but they can't hit FTs. Boogie 68%, Baugh 56%. Boogie is a liability on D, and Baugh is wildly inconsistent.

But our biggest issue on offense last year was turnovers. Stupid ones, at that.

But let's say both Nolley and Williams get waivers, then it won't matter, and Nolley & Williams will likely be leading scorers, along with DJ. It would likely be a starting lineup of Cisse, Williams, DJ, Nolley and Boogie, with Lester first off the bench. But Nolley would be playing the 2, which I think is out of position for him.

And Cisse will be defense first, not offense. He's raw.

Without either waiver, the hope has to be a big leap for Boogie and Baugh from freshmen to sophs, and to a lesser extent, Lester. Especially with turnovers.

But it'll be more fun for Memphis fans if we get the waivers.

I think we get one of the two waivers, because the NCAA gets their jollies out of f'ng us. The reason for one and not none, is they don't want it to look like they're f'ng us to the rest of the country. They want to give us none even though they're handing out waivers left and right to everyone else.

I see no scenario where they give us both Nolley and Williams, and they will make it feel like 'Sophies Choice'. Nolley goes to the gas chamber.


MEMPHIS DENIED!!!

I have zero confidence in the NCAA. Even without the waivers, it should be a fun team to watch with talent and size. With waivers, then dayum!


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(08-07-2020 10:37 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 03:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 02:17 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-06-2020 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  they could be top15 without nolley or williams.. i dont even think nolley or williams will make much of difference, maybe 2-3 more wins ..to me thats not the deciding factor for memphis

and cisse being better than precious is not the reason why...they were the youngest team in the nation last year..not even adding some their older players were also 1st year players
who had little playing time in old schools...next year everyone but cisse has heavy college experience

most players tend to have big freshman to sophomore year jumps...which is what people see with memphis-
on a more technical level-memphis was elite on defense last year--"on paper" got drastically better (cisse is the best shot blocker in the nation..and 5'9 tyler harris transferred out)

the real key factor for memphis- the growth of Boogie ellis and/or Lester Quinones and/or Damion baugh
the weakness of memphis was guard play last year (especially off the dribble)..neither williams nor nolley address that...but those 3 guards i listed are elite recruits who could become that as sophomores with growth (memphis staff already hyping boogie to be that guy)
nolley and dj jeffries are borderline identical players in skillset..why i dont see nolley as vital..

Plus, we added Rand, the 6-9 #1 Juco shot blocker with a 44" standing vertical, and FL transfer Isaiah Stokes, a 4 star C out of HS in 2017.

We will be maybe the best defensive team in the country, with or without Nolley and Williams. As Pesik says, the key is the offense of our guards.

But Nolley and Williams both add offense, and Williams would start at the 4 with DJ at the 3. I guess Nolley could play a big 2 and fight it out with Quinones there, or with DJ at the 3.

Now if somehow Nolley makes it and Williams doesn't (doubtful), DJ would start at the 4, Nolley at the 3 and Lester at the 2.

IMO, Boogie and Lester are the keys to the season.

The offense is what I'm not sold on. That's why I mentioned Nolley. Last year you had Precious to play through and everyone had to be really aware of him as a scorer. I'm not 100% sold that Cisse will be an improvement there. You guys already led the nation in lowest FG%, there's not a ton of room for improvement there. It's going to be you guards getting better on offense that's going to have to get you over the hump. Without Nolley, I'm not sold until I see actual statistical improvement from Quinones, Bough, Ellis.

I don't disagree with most of that. I'm just not sure where Nolley fits in, position-wise. He's not really a 2, he's a 4 who wants to be a 3 or 2. I actually think DJ is a better player, and he should start at the 3, but only if Williams gets a waiver.

I suppose if Nolley gets a waiver, and Williams doesn't (seems unlikely), then he could start at the 3, DJ at the 4, Lester at the 2.

And Lester is not the real problem. He averaged over 10 ppg, although he didn't shoot that well (40% FG, 32% 3, 80% FT). But he hustled everywhere, rebounded and played good D.

Boogie and Baugh shot slightly better from the field, but they can't hit FTs. Boogie 68%, Baugh 56%. Boogie is a liability on D, and Baugh is wildly inconsistent.

But our biggest issue on offense last year was turnovers. Stupid ones, at that.

But let's say both Nolley and Williams get waivers, then it won't matter, and Nolley & Williams will likely be leading scorers, along with DJ. It would likely be a starting lineup of Cisse, Williams, DJ, Nolley and Boogie, with Lester first off the bench. But Nolley would be playing the 2, which I think is out of position for him.

And Cisse will be defense first, not offense. He's raw.

Without either waiver, the hope has to be a big leap for Boogie and Baugh from freshmen to sophs, and to a lesser extent, Lester. Especially with turnovers.

But it'll be more fun for Memphis fans if we get the waivers.

I think we get one of the two waivers, because the NCAA gets their jollies out of f'ng us. The reason for one and not none, is they don't want it to look like they're f'ng us to the rest of the country. They want to give us none even though they're handing out waivers left and right to everyone else.

I see no scenario where they give us both Nolley and Williams, and they will make it feel like 'Sophies Choice'. Nolley goes to the gas chamber.


MEMPHIS DENIED!!!

Are they able to award both waivers and the retroactively reject them 3 games into the season?

(08-05-2020 06:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  in what to me is the death blow for aaron mckie...temples biggest basketball target for the last 2 seasons..the only touted recruit that temple had a realistic chance of landing (at one point the favorite), stevie mitchell has chosen marquette

i dont see temple being good this year, i dont see temple being good next year ....i think mckie will be fired then

The one we're landing in about 7 minutes is just as good without anywhere near the national hype. We'll see about the rest of the class.

You always relish the opportunity to trash us though.

(08-07-2020 05:54 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-05-2020 06:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  in what to me is the death blow for aaron mckie...temples biggest basketball target for the last 2 seasons..the only touted recruit that temple had a realistic chance of landing (at one point the favorite), stevie mitchell has chosen marquette

i dont see temple being good this year, i dont see temple being good next year ....i think mckie will be fired then

The one we're landing in about 7 minutes is just as good without anywhere near the national hype. We'll see about the rest of the class.

You always relish the opportunity to trash us though.

i dont relish the opportunity to trash temple....what reason would i have to trash temple????

at this point lat year, i said i see no way temple being good next year...but they seem to be really in on stevie mtichell and could turn lynn greer around...if they land both maybe in 2 season they could be atleast competitive. i dont see a realisitc pathway in the next 2 years now..