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If Robinson and Jackson both miss extended time early in the season I'm concerned for ECU. Obviously the schedule is pure trash, but it's got landmines early for a team that could very well only have 2 true freshman active at the PG position. Road games @Navy, @App State, Liberty (only "good" OOC team we play all year) and then a tournament in the Bahamas within the first 3 weeks. If both miss that entire stretch I suspect ECU is going to lose some of those games, probably dooming the NET before you even get to December.
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(10-30-2019 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If Robinson and Jackson both miss extended time early in the season I'm concerned for ECU. Obviously the schedule is pure trash, but it's got landmines early for a team that could very well only have 2 true freshman active at the PG position. Road games @Navy, @App State, Liberty (only "good" OOC team we play all year) and then a tournament in the Bahamas within the first 3 weeks. If both miss that entire stretch I suspect ECU is going to lose some of those games, probably dooming the NET before you even get to December.

This may have already been posted on the old thread, but I heard ECU lost a scrimmage this past weekend with Wake Forest on a last second half court shot. Heard it on the Sports Objective Podcast. It sounds encouraging that for one it was close, and additionally they said three of our players didn’t even play due to injuries. Guessing some of the same players you’re discussing now.
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(10-30-2019 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If Robinson and Jackson both miss extended time early in the season I'm concerned for ECU. Obviously the schedule is pure trash, but it's got landmines early for a team that could very well only have 2 true freshman active at the PG position. Road games @Navy, @App State, Liberty (only "good" OOC team we play all year) and then a tournament in the Bahamas within the first 3 weeks. If both miss that entire stretch I suspect ECU is going to lose some of those games, probably dooming the NET before you even get to December.

those are 300 rpi teams..except liberty.. if 2 injuries equate to losses vs those teams, you were never going to be a good then..

i already said this to sj, injuries are sometimes a blessing...if ecu is good this season, with that schedule , in this case it should be one aswell

dooley is already calling robinson a starter and he hasnt been active in a ecu practice yet..if he was healthy he was going to be doing 30-35mins a game ..your backup pgs were going to get no real minutes

this forces your backups to develop/step up...no better development tool than game reps...houston i genuinely think was that good last year becuase we got injuries early..our expected to 2 scorers missed 9-11 OOC games..other players stepped up and when they came back we had 2 layers of scoring
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(10-30-2019 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If Robinson and Jackson both miss extended time early in the season I'm concerned for ECU. Obviously the schedule is pure trash, but it's got landmines early for a team that could very well only have 2 true freshman active at the PG position. Road games @Navy, @App State, Liberty (only "good" OOC team we play all year) and then a tournament in the Bahamas within the first 3 weeks. If both miss that entire stretch I suspect ECU is going to lose some of those games, probably dooming the NET before you even get to December.

This may have already been posted on the old thread, but I heard ECU lost a scrimmage this past weekend with Wake Forest on a last second half court shot. Heard it on the Sports Objective Podcast. It sounds encouraging that for one it was close, and additionally they said three of our players didn’t even play due to injuries. Guessing some of the same players you’re discussing now.

Yeah pretty sure Jackson, Robinson, and Leday did not play in that scrimmage. Leday is supposedly fully cleared now, which I'm still stunned by I honestly didn't think he'd be ready as late as he tore his ACL till way later in the season if at all. Unfortunately I'd much rather have one of the PG's game 1 than him by a long shot. Jackson has tendinitis in his knee, which he probably could play thru but then it just never really gets better. Don't really have a clue how long he's been dealing with it and been resting it so maybe he could be ready in a week or maybe it's longer. Robinson is just a complete unknown. It was very strange to me how there seemed to be zero timeline to when he was gonna be ready until they finally said what his injury was, a dislocated ankle. In his media day interview he seems confident he'll be ready for the opener, but Dooley sounds like he doesn't have a clue. That's a pretty uncommon ankle injury and I have no idea the usual recovery time or the risk of re-injury if he comes back too soon. So on the one hand we really need both of them 100% for conference play, but on the other because of the just trash that is our OOC schedule if we play it safe and both miss November and we lose several of these early games due to having just true freshman at PG we could be doomed to another horrible NET ranking before they even play a game.
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(10-30-2019 10:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If Robinson and Jackson both miss extended time early in the season I'm concerned for ECU. Obviously the schedule is pure trash, but it's got landmines early for a team that could very well only have 2 true freshman active at the PG position. Road games @Navy, @App State, Liberty (only "good" OOC team we play all year) and then a tournament in the Bahamas within the first 3 weeks. If both miss that entire stretch I suspect ECU is going to lose some of those games, probably dooming the NET before you even get to December.

those are 300 rpi teams..except liberty.. if 2 injuries equate to losses vs those teams, you were never going to be a good then..

i already said this to sj, injuries are sometimes a blessing...if ecu is good this season, with that schedule , in this case it should be one aswell

dooley is already calling robinson a starter and he hasnt been active in a ecu practice yet..if he was healthy he was going to be doing 30-35mins a game ..your backup pgs were going to get no real minutes

this forces your backups to develop/step up...no better development tool than game reps...houston i genuinely think was that good last year becuase we got injuries early..our expected to 2 scorers missed 9-11 OOC games..other players stepped up and when they came back we had 2 layers of scoring

If all those opponents were at home I wouldn't be that concerned. Road and neutral site games with a completely new roster and 2 true freshman as your only PG options though is a recipe for having games with like 20+ turnovers. Realistically without injuries Newton would probably be a guy who gets limited minutes early and Curtis would probably be redshirted. Instead that's likely it at PG for a completely unknown length of time. I would not be stunned if neither of them are ready and it costs us games and then Robinson and Jackson come back and we look like a completely different team, but if that happens because of how terrible our schedule is from a NET perspective the damage will be done. I get and do mostly agree with you that if we actually are much improved we should still be talented enough to beat those teams, but the biggest equalizer in terms of losing games like that is a pile of turnovers. Assuming that doesn't happen if we lose to any of those opponents not named Liberty then you'll be absolutely correct to write us off.
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(10-30-2019 10:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  those are 300 rpi teams..except liberty.. if 2 injuries equate to losses vs those teams, you were never going to be a good then..

I think you have to consider the position. Any other position I would agree, heck I think we could overcome Gardner being out early more than Robinson at Point. Good PG play was always going to be the key early for a team with 11 new players.

After researching these teams they aren't 300 ranked. They all early at least pretty much look improved, it's the set up this schedule with a lot of road games and Liberty really early is pure $hit and works against a team with 11 new players much less point guard injuries. Dooley really should have planned the schedule better knowing he'd have a new team that needed some reps. The NBA calls the "scheduling losses" when the league off screws them with the schedule, and we basically did it to ourselfs.

App was #206 last year from memory and returns their 4 best players, including a 16ppg scorer, some size, and added a freshman with P5 offers that should be the 5th starter. They also have a new coach that had a pretty good rebuild at Presbyterian. That's game 3 on the road.

Game 4 is our toughest OOC game in Liberty who is a 12 seed projected, and then game 5 in the Bahamas Evansville . I just learned Evansville has an Arizona St transfer that average 9.5ppg and 4.5rpg as a freshman, and then transferred to Kansas and played 15 games there before transferring to Evansville and sitting out last year and he's and upperclassmen now. Another transfer from Coastal Carolina that averaged 11ppg too. They could probably be a top 200 team.
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Another thing I find concerning is throughout all the preseason interviews you heard Dooley and the assistants in interviews hyping up how good newcomers like Baruti, JJ Miles, Robinson, and even a freshman Suggs have looked but you heard very little about Newton and Curtis. What little was said about them was stuff like they are talented but still growing and maturing, all the types of coach speak for these aren't guys you should expect a lot out of early. Then we have the secret scrimmage against State and the talk out of that was we out rebounded them by a pretty wide margin but turned it over a ton and they won fairly comfortably. The turnover part was a little surprising to me as I kinda have Jackson pegged as a guy who doesn't have the upside of Robinson but he's an older guy with some ACC experience and should be at the very least a capable ball handler. We find out later he didn't play in that scrimmage and it was just the 2 freshman PG's and then I'm thinking to myself "well yeah, of course, we turned it over a lot it was 2 freshman and not even being hyped up very much as being ready to play." In like the last week or so we've finally heard Dooley in some interviews saying how good Newton is looking, right at the same time it's being leaked that both Robinson and Jackson are "week to week" with their injuries. Week to week is way different than day to day. You could easily be talking they could be ready to play next week or not ready till December. Dooley was saying how much Newton has come along and grown in recent weeks in an interview the other day, and it could very well be true, or the cynic in me is thinking he could be trying to build his confidence publicly because he knows like it or not Newton is the starting PG for a while. I sure hope it's the former, because if it's the latter and Newton is a guy who in an ideal world wouldn't be playing right now it could be big trouble against what is an awful schedule in terms of SOS but unfortunately has only 2 home games out of the 8 games in the month of November. Even in the interview where Dooley was starting to finally hype up Newton he also was very clear as soon as Robinson is healthy he's the starting PG, and he hasn't practiced in like 2-3 months, so Newton is clearly not playing at some crazy level.
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(10-30-2019 11:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Dooley was saying how much Newton has come along and grown in recent weeks in an interview the other day, and it could very well be true, or the cynic in me is thinking he could be trying to build his confidence publicly because he knows like it or not Newton is the starting PG for a while. I sure hope it's the former, because if it's the latter and Newton is a guy who in an ideal world wouldn't be playing right now it could be big trouble against what is an awful schedule in terms of SOS but unfortunately has only 2 home games out of the 8 games in the month of November. Even in the interview where Dooley was starting to finally hype up Newton he also was very clear as soon as Robinson is healthy he's the starting PG, and he hasn't practiced in like 2-3 months, so Newton is clearly not playing at some crazy level.

This may all be true and exactly how you describe it wanting to build confidence, but when I look at the Newton's stats and highlights it doesn't seem like a stretch that he's playing well in practice either.

At least one of the players (Miles James) also said he impressed him the most of anyone on the team, and he would have no reason to hype him since he's competing with him for the same minutes.

Either way it wouldn't be shocking if Newton took the opportunity and ran with it at least to the level that he's got a solid spot in the rotation post everyone coming back. I think there is a good shot of that honestly.

I also think Dooley could be being judicious with Robinson even if Newton is actually blowing up in practice. He knows he's a valuable player who he had expected to start and who is injured. He's could be easing his fears that the injury has cost him his job too. They should both be able to play together though so I think it's Jackson who stands to lose the most potentially from injury if Newton does step up.
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(10-30-2019 12:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 11:33 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Dooley was saying how much Newton has come along and grown in recent weeks in an interview the other day, and it could very well be true, or the cynic in me is thinking he could be trying to build his confidence publicly because he knows like it or not Newton is the starting PG for a while. I sure hope it's the former, because if it's the latter and Newton is a guy who in an ideal world wouldn't be playing right now it could be big trouble against what is an awful schedule in terms of SOS but unfortunately has only 2 home games out of the 8 games in the month of November. Even in the interview where Dooley was starting to finally hype up Newton he also was very clear as soon as Robinson is healthy he's the starting PG, and he hasn't practiced in like 2-3 months, so Newton is clearly not playing at some crazy level.

This may all be true and exactly how you describe it wanting to build confidence, but when I look at the Newton's stats and highlights it doesn't seem like a stretch that he's playing well in practice either.

At least one of the players (Miles James) also said he impressed him the most of anyone on the team, and he would have no reason to hype him since he's competing with him for the same minutes.

Either way it wouldn't be shocking if Newton took the opportunity and ran with it at least to the level that he's got a solid spot in the rotation post everyone coming back. I think there is a good shot of that honestly.

I also think Dooley could be being judicious with Robinson even if Newton is actually blowing up in practice. He knows he's a valuable player who he had expected to start and who is injured. He's could be easing his fears that the injury has cost him his job too. They should both be able to play together though so I think it's Jackson who stands to lose the most potentially from injury if Newton does step up.

Oh I agree Newton is extremely intriguing and he could really be progressing big time. I was taking the most pessimistic view of these recent comments but they could just be honest in that he's taken to the opportunity and grown as preseason has gone along and is legitimately good. I really hope that's the answer because it looks like whether he's ready or not he's gonna be the starting PG for a little while. Lose more than like 1 of the RPI bomb games and you can probably just go ahead and pencil us in for a 200+ RPI/NET season again.
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(10-30-2019 11:23 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 10:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  those are 300 rpi teams..except liberty.. if 2 injuries equate to losses vs those teams, you were never going to be a good then..

I think you have to consider the position. Any other position I would agree, heck I think we could overcome Gardner being out early more than Robinson at Point. Good PG play was always going to be the key early for a team with 11 new players.

After researching these teams they aren't 300 ranked. They all early at least pretty much look improved, it's the set up this schedule with a lot of road games and Liberty really early is pure $hit and works against a team with 11 new players much less point guard injuries. Dooley really should have planned the schedule better knowing he'd have a new team that needed some reps. The NBA calls the "scheduling losses" when the league off screws them with the schedule, and we basically did it to ourselfs.

App was #206 last year from memory and returns their 4 best players, including a 16ppg scorer, some size, and added a freshman with P5 offers that should be the 5th starter. They also have a new coach that had a pretty good rebuild at Presbyterian. That's game 3 on the road.

Game 4 is our toughest OOC game in Liberty who is a 12 seed projected, and then game 5 in the Bahamas Evansville . I just learned Evansville has an Arizona St transfer that average 9.5ppg and 4.5rpg as a freshman, and then transferred to Kansas and played 15 games there before transferring to Evansville and sitting out last year. They could be a lot better than last year for sure. Another transfer from Coastal Carolina that averaged 11ppg too.

you dont need an elite pg play to win.. you brought it like 8 guards, and one of the 2 injured wasn't a true pg by the words of your coach..like i said if one of 6 can't run an offense (even from a 2 or 3) vs these teams the bar was going to be low

if logan/newton aren't ready..just have them bring the ball down and immediately pass it to a better guard (which was what wichita did last year with a non dynamic true freshman pg and they made the NIT)

as far as schedule no one expected you to beat liberty even at full strength..so losing that game won't be a big deal especially when you have a chance to play them twice
also from reports ive read, jackson is expected back way before evansville

the rest of schedule :
you think gardner is a top 3 player in the conference
you think leday is a top 15 player in the conference
you are very high on baruti
you are high on jj miles
you are high on miles james
you think Tristen Newton is vastly underrated

you are very high on tyrie (who at most likely misses 3/4 games- potentially none)

you either believe these things or you don't ...

if you are worried about 11-21 app state/Evansville in the sunbelt/mvc getting better.. because you are down 1 player did you really believe those things you said about those players?
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(10-30-2019 11:23 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 10:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  those are 300 rpi teams..except liberty.. if 2 injuries equate to losses vs those teams, you were never going to be a good then..

I think you have to consider the position. Any other position I would agree, heck I think we could overcome Gardner being out early more than Robinson at Point. Good PG play was always going to be the key early for a team with 11 new players.

After researching these teams they aren't 300 ranked. They all early at least pretty much look improved, it's the set up this schedule with a lot of road games and Liberty really early is pure $hit and works against a team with 11 new players much less point guard injuries. Dooley really should have planned the schedule better knowing he'd have a new team that needed some reps. The NBA calls the "scheduling losses" when the league off screws them with the schedule, and we basically did it to ourselfs.

App was #206 last year from memory and returns their 4 best players, including a 16ppg scorer, some size, and added a freshman with P5 offers that should be the 5th starter. They also have a new coach that had a pretty good rebuild at Presbyterian. That's game 3 on the road.

Game 4 is our toughest OOC game in Liberty who is a 12 seed projected, and then game 5 in the Bahamas Evansville . I just learned Evansville has an Arizona St transfer that average 9.5ppg and 4.5rpg as a freshman, and then transferred to Kansas and played 15 games there before transferring to Evansville and sitting out last year. They could be a lot better than last year for sure. Another transfer from Coastal Carolina that averaged 11ppg too.

you dont need an elite pg play to win.. you brought it like 8 guards, and one of the 2 injured wasn't a true pg by the words of your coach..like i said if one of 6 can't run an offense (even from a 2 or 3) vs these teams the bar was going to be low

if logan/newton aren't ready..just have them bring the ball down and immediately pass it to a better guard (which was what wichita did last year with a non dynamic true freshman pg and they made the NIT)

as far as schedule no one expected you to beat liberty even at full strength..so losing that game won't be a big deal especially when you have a chance to play them twice
also from reports ive read, jackson is expected back way before evansville

the rest of schedule :
you think gardner is a top 3 player in the conference
you think leday is a top 15 player in the conference
you are very high on baruti
you are high on jj miles
you are high on miles james
you think Tristen Newton is vastly underrated

you are very high on tyrie (who at most likely misses 3/4 games- potentially none)

you either believe these things or you don't ...

if you are worried about 11-21 app state/Evansville in the sunbelt/mvc getting better.. because you are down 1 player did you really believe those things you said about those players?

Well of your list of things only 2 of them are anything other than pure speculation on anyone's part. Gardner even by the most conservative of predictions is a top 15 player in the league and I'd argue a lot better than that. Leday if 100% healthy is a very solid AAC level player who at least in terms of player efficiency stats could be argued as a very high level AAC player (although I don't think he's 100% even though he's cleared and while I'm high on him not as high as SJ is). The other things you list I believe in personally, but I also acknowledge no one has a clue yet if they are true. I think you are also unfortunately potentially underestimating the time Jackson could be out. The stuff we are hearing about his injury along with Robinson is they are "week to week." I don't have a clue how long that means. You are correct it could be no time at all or maybe like the first week of the season or it could drag and end up being like a month. Tendinitis is something you could probably play thru, but then it never really gets any better and maybe just worse. Then of course not to be underrated there still are 11 new players on this team and even if all as talented as I believe they don't just develop amazing chemistry on the court day 1. Might very well take a while I would naturally expect a team with this many new players to get better and better as the season goes along. SJ has been saying this on our 247 board (and I don't disagree at all really) that if our December schedule was our November schedule there wouldn't be any real reasons for concern. It's all home games against awful teams, something tailor made to build confidence and get thru however long Robinson and Jackson are out. Instead only 2 of the first 8 games are at home it doesn't even sound like Dooley really has a clue if Robinson and Jackson will miss none of those games, some of those games, or all of those games. Even against bad teams playing on the road/neutral site adds a much higher degree of difficulty to these games. My big concern for the season is not that all the newcomers are just bad players (because if that happens then you can probably long term stick a fork in Dooley) but that they are good but Robinson and Jackson miss a month, Newton and Curtis are not ready to be playing D1 ball, and we lose a handful of these games early and doom us and the league to being a boat anchor again.
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(10-30-2019 12:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  you dont need an elite pg play to win.. you brought it like 8 guards, and one of the 2 injured wasn't a true pg by the words of your coach..like i said if one of 6 can't run an offense (even from a 2 or 3) vs these teams the bar was going to be low

if logan/newton aren't ready..just have them bring the ball down and immediately pass it to a better guard (which was what wichita did last year with a non dynamic true freshman pg and they made the NIT)

as far as schedule no one expected you to beat liberty even at full strength..so losing that game won't be a big deal especially when you have a chance to play them twice
also from reports ive read, jackson is expected back way before evansville

the rest of schedule :
you think gardner is a top 3 player in the conference
you think leday is a top 15 player in the conference
you are very high on baruti
you are high on jj miles
you are high on miles james
you think Tristen Newton is vastly underrated

you are very high on tyrie (who at most likely misses 3/4 games- potentially none)

you either believe these things or you don't ...

if you are worried about 11-21 app state/Evansville in the sunbelt/mvc getting better.. because you are down 1 player did you really believe those things you said about those players?

You said "300 RPI teams". That was the context in which I pointed out those teams like App or Evansville aren't that. They are more like top 200 and more importantly for this conversation on the road, early in the year with the most new players in college basketball history in one season. If these games were in December after our team had reps, no big deal but any team can get upset on the road, much less with so many new players and zero reps together.

That's not even mentioned being without our top recruit who was considered the #3 to 7 JUCO in the nation depending on where you look, and who plays the most important positions arguably at least for a team with no experince together.

Gardner was #7 in all AAC voting but guess what, you have to be able to get the ball up the damn court and into the hands of guys like Gardner or LeDay and those other players you listed. If we can't do that then it really doesn't matter how I feel or anyone else feels about them it colapses before they get a chance. I have every expectation if we are playing two freshman PG's that these teams will full court press us relentlessly and if they aren't ready we are screwed. So it is a big deal because a lot rest on PG much like QB in football.
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RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) ***
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RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) ***
(10-30-2019 01:21 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 12:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  you dont need an elite pg play to win.. you brought it like 8 guards, and one of the 2 injured wasn't a true pg by the words of your coach..like i said if one of 6 can't run an offense (even from a 2 or 3) vs these teams the bar was going to be low

if logan/newton aren't ready..just have them bring the ball down and immediately pass it to a better guard (which was what wichita did last year with a non dynamic true freshman pg and they made the NIT)

as far as schedule no one expected you to beat liberty even at full strength..so losing that game won't be a big deal especially when you have a chance to play them twice
also from reports ive read, jackson is expected back way before evansville

the rest of schedule :
you think gardner is a top 3 player in the conference
you think leday is a top 15 player in the conference
you are very high on baruti
you are high on jj miles
you are high on miles james
you think Tristen Newton is vastly underrated

you are very high on tyrie (who at most likely misses 3/4 games- potentially none)

you either believe these things or you don't ...

if you are worried about 11-21 app state/Evansville in the sunbelt/mvc getting better.. because you are down 1 player did you really believe those things you said about those players?

You said "300 RPI teams". That was the context in which I pointed out those teams like App or Evansville aren't that. They are more like top 200 and more importantly for this conversation on the road, early in the year with the most new players in college basketball history in one season. If these games were in December after our team had reps, no big deal but any team can get upset on the road, much less with so many new players and zero reps together.

That's not even mentioned being without our top recruit who was considered the #3 to 7 JUCO in the nation depending on where you look, and who plays the most important positions arguably at least for a team with no experince together.

Gardner was #7 in all AAC voting but guess what, you have to be able to get the ball up the damn court and into the hands of guys like Gardner or LeDay and those other players you listed. If we can't do that then it really doesn't matter how I feel or anyone else feels about them it colapses before they get a chance. I have every expectation if we are playing two freshman PG's that these teams will full court press us relentlessly and if they aren't ready we are screwed. So it is a big deal because a lot rest on PG much like QB in football.

Yeah these teams would be stupid not to press if our only 2 PG's are freshman (and neither are really pure PG's both are probably more combo guards). If they aren't ready for that and panic and turn the ball over a bunch we could easily lose to some of these teams away from home even if all the other newcomers are actually as good as advertised.
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RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) ***
b0ndsj0ns-- about the 11 new players/chemistry comment... look around the conference ..temple an usf are the only teams returning the core of what they did last year...wichita/uconn arent massive overhauls but will be heavily reliant on freshman..the remain 6 teams in the aac are going through massive overhauls

tulane has 11 new
ucf has 10 new and still waiting on waivers
memphis is likely starting all freshman
smu has 2 potential starters still waiting on waivers, 6 of their top 9 are new players (they dont even know who is playing yet and have to divide practices)
cincy has 7 new players & a new coach, and jarron cumberland is injured and hasn't practiced this offseason

all of them have drastically harder schedules ,...none of them are worried about away/home games of not good mid-majors

also most sport related tendonitis is a 3-6 week recovery tine..and he's already been out a couple weeks

StillJonesing- there are also "300rpi" games in that early stretch to navy and vmi... 2 300-ish, 2 200-ish, 1 60 ...

also few college teams press, getting the ball up and down the court shouldn't be an issue....wichita starting pg last season was a true freshman with limited handles and not very dynamic and was a horrible shooter...they went to the NIT final 4
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