(10-26-2019 10:42 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote: The "opened up" offense in the 2nd half was like watching Hatfield's inept attempts at the passing game. Rice had just 3 receivers in the pattern on virtually every pass attempt, and that just won't do it in 2019. Clearly, they were going "max protect" to try for more time, but the entire "scheme" was just what one would expect from someone with no clue and no desire to use the forward pass.
What's the point of max protect when the extra blocker gets thrown out of the way? We left 6, 6, and 7 blockers back on our last three offensive plays down one score, and a delayed inside linebacker blitz just flew through the same gap every snap. A running back (Booker?) was coming up looking for that exact blitz on third down and didn't slow the blitzer at all.
Does anyone know what happened to Reagan Williams (the Stanford grad transfer). I think he's been MIA since after the Texas game? I'd say our pass blocking has taken a hit since he got hurt. I'm sure the guys who have replaced him are doing their best (Suckley is now starting - he was originally a walk-on who was put on scholarship before the season began). And then we also briefly played a true freshman FB this past week - Jerry Johnson - who is another walk-on).
The offense has got to get more imaginative. We have 125 completions this season and almost 2/3rds of them are to Trammell and Rozner. Just 26 of them are to RB or TE's (assuming you count Myers as a TE) -- 13 to the RB's and 13 to the TE's, and Walter has 10 of those and he's hurt.
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2019 05:54 PM by Fort Bend Owl.)
(10-27-2019 05:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Does anyone know what happened to Reagan Williams (the Stanford grad transfer). I think he's been MIA since after the Texas game? I'd say our pass blocking has taken a hit since he got hurt. I'm sure the guys who have replaced him are doing their best (Suckley is now starting - he was originally a walk-on who was put on scholarship before the season began). And then we also briefly played a true freshman FB this past week - Jerry Johnson - who is another walk-on).
The offense has got to get more imaginative. We have 125 completions this season and almost 2/3rds of them are to Trammell and Rozner. Just 26 of them are to RB or TE's (assuming you count Myers as a TE) -- 13 to the RB's and 13 to the TE's, and Walter has 10 of those and he's hurt.
To my point in earlier posts about the poor coaching/play calling. There are guys on the bench that can block and catch the ball. Upper classman who could provide some leadership, grit and juice to the game cause their football careers are about to end. Pretty sure they want to win/know how to win. How is it possible that these people played well last year and now, aren't seeing the field and/or the ball? They're gonna wear Trammell out and while Rozner has shown a lot of grit and keeps upping his game, why not rotate insome other guys. These guys didn't light it up last year but were reliable and could probably up their game too if given some playing time. There are guys who worked well between the chains last year with short passes(Bull, Cardwell, Conrad all come to mind). Why not create some specific plays around some of these very capable guys and get them on the field. They're not going to do a post route but bet they could catch the ball and get a few yards after the catch. When Marshman came on the field, should've put some these other receivers on the line and sent them. Why not give Cam Montgomery another shot at a jet sweep or do a reverse. Surely he's the fastest guy on the team. The kid gets no reps, then they put him in at UAB and he fumbles. Never to be seen again. Where is Ellerbe? Saw him last game for a couple plays with Walter out but otherwise he's been almost MIA. Juma has talent but catching the ball isn't his forte. He's been out injured, who knows how much he's practiced and you put him in on a pass play with Marshman who hasn't seen the field in a year. No surprise that one didn't work. This is the kind of insanity that seems to be a catch 22 on offense and appears to be happening not only with the revolving QB's but with other positions as well.
Rice's chronic problem is a lack of depth. To build a program that succeeds and maintains, we have to build depth. That means you have to play more people, let them get game experience, get them on film against different colored jerseys so you can identify and correct issues, and get them inspired to practice harder because they know they are going to play on Saturday. That last part makes everybody better. My goal would be to play as many people as I can, at least 50 of them by halftime. If you get on the bus, you're going to get in the game.
Coaches are terrified to do it that way. They can't bear the risk of some second stringer losing them a game. But number one, that second stringer is going to have to play at some point because of injury or something, so you better get him ready. Number two, that second stringer with fresh legs is probably as good as a starter who has played every snap by the middle of the second half, and that starter is probably a whole lot better at the end if he hasn't had to play every snap. Number three, so you are a little worse for a few games at the start, but once those players develop then you have depth, and then you are better in the long run.
It's a gamble most coaches are unwilling to take. But it's one I'd take, because I think that's how you build depth and sustainability.
(10-26-2019 06:46 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: No Walter. No Stewart. No Chaffin. No Williams (although that has been awhile now, and I'll assume his injury is season-ending). But the replacements there aren't getting it done. We've had injuries on defense, but the guys we put in there do fine. You have to wonder if it's more than just the players on the offensive side.
I don't understand why they didn't give the true freshman QB a chance.
Bloomgren hinted after the game that there would be changes on offense. I'm not sure if he's referring to player personnel or coaching personnel (or both).
We have seen Tom play, he starts great finishes horrible. Walter did hurt, a lot. Reason we don’t see the Freshman is because he can’t accurately throw a football. He can run, watch his hudl video to prove my point.
Green was the guy on Saturday, he struggled but he also found a rhythm. The int is on him but the confidence to play is on Bloomgren. No reason for changing him out. Last time I saw Marshman, at practice, he was spitting reps with Johnson
(10-28-2019 09:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Rice's chronic problem is a lack of depth. To build a program that succeeds and maintains, we have to build depth. That means you have to play more people, let them get game experience, get them on film against different colored jerseys so you can identify and correct issues, and get them inspired to practice harder because they know they are going to play on Saturday. That last part makes everybody better. My goal would be to play as many people as I can, at least 50 of them by halftime. If you get on the bus, you're going to get in the game.
Coaches are terrified to do it that way. They can't bear the risk of some second stringer losing them a game. But number one, that second stringer is going to have to play at some point because of injury or something, so you better get him ready. Number two, that second stringer with fresh legs is probably as good as a starter who has played every snap by the middle of the second half, and that starter is probably a whole lot better at the end if he hasn't had to play every snap. Number three, so you are a little worse for a few games at the start, but once those players develop then you have depth, and then you are better in the long run.
It's a gamble most coaches are unwilling to take. But it's one I'd take, because I think that's how you build depth and sustainability.
I think we've shown we can lose games with any combination of stringers, young or old. So let them play!
(10-28-2019 11:26 AM)Hank16 Wrote: Green was the guy on Saturday, he struggled but he also found a rhythm. The int is on him but the confidence to play is on Bloomgren. No reason for changing him out. Last time I saw Marshman, at practice, he was spitting reps with Johnson
No reason for changing him out? I don't want to beat the young man up, but c'mon.
It's called accountability. He had one job on the play... throw it to an open guy or throw it away.
Outside of that he was 12/26 for 104... and we should subtract his 27 yards in sacks as well. 50ish% is about his career average for us and 5 yards per attempt, so he was the same guy this week as last, as previous, as before.
I'm not saying he's a bad player... I'm just saying that we know who he is. I will say his best back to back series IMO was against LaTech, and Bloomgren spoiled that by insisting on a rotation.
I would give every non-injured player on the roster a series over the last four games. Cannot hurt anything. Might inspire some of the younger kids to show something special. I agree that we haven't seen nearly enough diversity in the receiving corp this year, especially in games that were over and decided in the latter quarters.
I don't want to pile on Green because I'm sure he's trying his best, but he just doesn't seem to make good decisions. He had a number of run possibilities in the 1st half and he just couldn't make a quick decision when the pocket was collapsing. I don't think that's going to improve. Some QB's have the ability to make solid decisions in a moment's notice, and some do not. I really don't expect us to win any games this year if Green keeps starting. If Stewart returns, we can win UTEP - not sure about any others.
FBO, I don't disagree with you.... not because I know, just because I don't have any reason to doubt your opinion....
My point is (and you may or may not disagree) merely that Stewart is gone in months and I don't think the value of 1-11 vs 0-12 is worth nearly the same as knowing if either of the other QBs are 'gamers' and giving the whole team a head start on 2020. If either of them show some flashes, then maybe we can really press for that great QB, and adapt to what we have of we don't get them. If they don't show flashes, then we may need 2 QBs
(10-28-2019 07:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: FBO, I don't disagree with you.... not because I know, just because I don't have any reason to doubt your opinion....
My point is (and you may or may not disagree) merely that Stewart is gone in months and I don't think the value of 1-11 vs 0-12 is worth nearly the same as knowing if either of the other QBs are 'gamers' and giving the whole team a head start on 2020. If either of them show some flashes, then maybe we can really press for that great QB, and adapt to what we have of we don't get them. If they don't show flashes, then we may need 2 QBs
Just read the notes from the Marshall presser. Offensive assistants need to get their resumes ready. Bloom just threw them all under the bus but he is going to fix it all and have Coach Mac turn it into an NFL meeting room. Probably a good idea to drop the whole "NFL" line and just focus on winning games in CUSA.
Bloom survives year 2 going 1-11 or 0-12 but fires most or all of his offensive staff. I know he wants to run the West Coast offense but does this idiot know that he is in Texas? Texans don't like much of anything from the West Coast. Maybe some Ghiradelli chocolates or a Visalia strawberry but other than that...when it comes to football don't much care what California thinks about the game.
Seriously, Luke Bryan!? Couldn't even pick a Red Dirt guy? We should've hired Spavital (at least based on music choice)... I can understand why Kirby picked Luke Bryan as he wears UGA gear a lot when he performs..
Seriously, Luke Bryan!? Couldn't even pick a Red Dirt guy? We should've hired Spavital (at least based on music choice)... I can understand why Kirby picked Luke Bryan as he wears UGA gear a lot when he performs..
What in the world??? Luke Bryan? Is Bloom a 15 year old girl?
Seriously, Luke Bryan!? Couldn't even pick a Red Dirt guy? We should've hired Spavital (at least based on music choice)... I can understand why Kirby picked Luke Bryan as he wears UGA gear a lot when he performs..
What in the world??? Luke Bryan? Is Bloom a 15 year old girl?
(10-26-2019 05:56 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: 1. We moved away from pound the rock, seemingly 180 degrees
I'm not sure we moved 180 degrees away. Yes we threw the ball some, instead of simply pounding between the tackles. But we didn't run the kind of pass attack that modern passing teams utilize. This looked more like the pass part of the offense of a team that wants to pound the rock on 1st and 2nd down, and throw as a last resort on 3rd and long. It's not very sophisticated and we didn't execute it very well. We just ran more of the afterthought part of our playbook. This looked more like Hatfield's passing attack than like Major's or Mensa's, and not really anything at all like Air Raid or Run-and-Shoot or RUOwls's West Coast Air Coryell offense.
(10-26-2019 05:56 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: 1. We moved away from pound the rock, seemingly 180 degrees
I'm not sure we moved 180 degrees away. Yes we threw the ball some, instead of simply pounding between the tackles. But we didn't run the kind of pass attack that modern passing teams utilize. This looked more like the pass part of the offense of a team that wants to pound the rock on 1st and 2nd down, and throw as a last resort on 3rd and long. It's not very sophisticated and we didn't execute it very well. We just ran more of the afterthought part of our playbook. This looked more like Hatfield's passing attack than like Major's or Mensa's, and not really anything at all like Air Raid or Run-and-Shoot or RUOwls's West Coast Air Coryell offense.
We may have gone 180 degrees away but at least we’re not losing 45-90 anymore.
RE: Post-game thread: Rice v USM 
