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(01-14-2020 09:15 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 08:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  Just would like to point out again that UD is a top 15 team (really top 10) with quite possibly the player of the year in Obi Toppin. I wish the UC fanbase could look past their preconceptions at times.

I think knowledgeable basketball fans know Dayton has a great basketball history and that Toppin is one of the dominate players in the country. Historically we have a great winning advantage against them over the years. Are they top ten or top twenty time will tell. Wish we would have had their schedule with so many cupcake home games, all their tough match-ups were on neutral courts and no out of conference road games. Really think we would only have 2 to 4 losses if we had played their schedule.

Dayton is the 5th best team in the country according to kenpom (and has the second best offense). Even if you think that's too high they're incredibly impressive so far. They're a legit final 4 contender.
 
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(01-14-2020 09:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Honest, I don't even know who the coach of Dayton is. What does that mean? I don't know who the coach is. I also don't think about Dayton basketball in any way, shape, or form. Not a knock on them. Glad they're having some success. They just don't come up as a blip on my radar.
Anthony Grant. UD grad, former VCU and Alabama coach. Brannon coached under him at Alabama. Maybe you should educate yourself on them.

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What for? I don't desire to educate myself on or follow Dayton basketball anymore than I would Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami, Oh, BGSU, Toledo, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Wake Forest. Not a sign of disrespect, I just don't care. You obviously care so good for you.
 
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(01-14-2020 10:30 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 09:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Honest, I don't even know who the coach of Dayton is. What does that mean? I don't know who the coach is. I also don't think about Dayton basketball in any way, shape, or form. Not a knock on them. Glad they're having some success. They just don't come up as a blip on my radar.
Anthony Grant. UD grad, former VCU and Alabama coach. Brannon coached under him at Alabama. Maybe you should educate yourself on them.

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What for? I don't desire to educate myself on or follow Dayton basketball anymore than I would Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami, Oh, BGSU, Toledo, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Wake Forest. Not a sign of disrespect, I just don't care. You obviously care so good for you.
I don't bad talk opponents based on their name. UD is for real, and probably the best team UC has played all year.

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Dayton was my favorite team growing up. Then I attended UC. Now I really don't care one way or the other about the Flyers.
 
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(01-14-2020 09:54 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Honest, I don't even know who the coach of Dayton is. What does that mean? I don't know who the coach is. I also don't think about Dayton basketball in any way, shape, or form. Not a knock on them. Glad they're having some success. They just don't come up as a blip on my radar.
Anthony Grant. UD grad, former VCU and Alabama coach. Brannon coached under him at Alabama. Maybe you should educate yourself on them.

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What for? I don't desire to educate myself on or follow Dayton basketball anymore than I would Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami, Oh, BGSU, Toledo, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Wake Forest. Not a sign of disrespect, I just don't care. You obviously care so good for you.
I don't bad talk opponents based on their name. UD is for real, and probably the best team UC has played all year.

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I would like to start playing UD. I don't mind UD too much, I have alot of family and friends that went there, and they can definitely come off at times as onboxious/snobby about their school, but that might just be a small sample size.
 
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(01-15-2020 06:16 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:30 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:54 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Honest, I don't even know who the coach of Dayton is. What does that mean? I don't know who the coach is. I also don't think about Dayton basketball in any way, shape, or form. Not a knock on them. Glad they're having some success. They just don't come up as a blip on my radar.
Anthony Grant. UD grad, former VCU and Alabama coach. Brannon coached under him at Alabama. Maybe you should educate yourself on them.

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What for? I don't desire to educate myself on or follow Dayton basketball anymore than I would Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami, Oh, BGSU, Toledo, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Wake Forest. Not a sign of disrespect, I just don't care. You obviously care so good for you.
I don't bad talk opponents based on their name. UD is for real, and probably the best team UC has played all year.

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I would like to start playing UD. I don't mind UD too much, I have alot of family and friends that went there, and they can definitely come off at times as onboxious/snobby about their school, but that might just be a small sample size.

I wouldn't call the ones I know snobby. Proud, sure, but I can respect that.
 
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I'd be fine playing UD because they are rarely terrible, usually solid, and sometimes really good (they are awesome this year). But I wouldn't prioritize them. If they are the best team you can get in a home and home, OK. But it doesn't appear like that's the case. We have been able to find better opponents over the last few years: Butler, OSU, UCLA, Tennessee, even Mississippi St.

We used to play UD nearly every year. It never became a rivalry. No one cared from either side. The last time we played them was at the Coliseum, and the place was half full.
 
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(01-14-2020 10:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:30 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:54 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Honest, I don't even know who the coach of Dayton is. What does that mean? I don't know who the coach is. I also don't think about Dayton basketball in any way, shape, or form. Not a knock on them. Glad they're having some success. They just don't come up as a blip on my radar.
Anthony Grant. UD grad, former VCU and Alabama coach. Brannon coached under him at Alabama. Maybe you should educate yourself on them.

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What for? I don't desire to educate myself on or follow Dayton basketball anymore than I would Ohio State, Ohio U, Miami, Oh, BGSU, Toledo, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Wake Forest. Not a sign of disrespect, I just don't care. You obviously care so good for you.
I don't bad talk opponents based on their name. UD is for real, and probably the best team UC has played all year.

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The thing is, UCGrad1992 never "bad talked" UD. He simply said he doesn't care about them. That's all. Personally, I'm in the camp that we should play them every year. I loved the Mythical Miami Valley Conference days when we played UD, X, and Miami. As for Dayton, they have as good as or better core fan base than UC (as much as it hurts to say that). An annual game with them would be a blast.
 
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(01-15-2020 09:39 AM)levydl Wrote:  I'd be fine playing UD because they are rarely terrible, usually solid, and sometimes really good (they are awesome this year). But I wouldn't prioritize them. If they are the best team you can get in a home and home, OK. But it doesn't appear like that's the case. We have been able to find better opponents over the last few years: Butler, OSU, UCLA, Tennessee, even Mississippi St.

We used to play UD nearly every year. It never became a rivalry. No one cared from either side. The last time we played them was at the Coliseum, and the place was half full.

It never became a rivalry because UC won the far majority of the time. Over the past 30 years our record is something like over 20 wins to maybe 2 - 3 losses.

I think some rose colored glasses are at work about UD in this thread.

UD is having a great, great year this year, for sure. Obi is a generational player.

UD had a few nice teams for Archie Miller as well.

Looking at the 2000's, UD was mediocre at best most years.

Looking at the 90's, UD was pitiful most years.

The early 80's was a good period for UD, but the latter 80's began their sink in to horrible.

Their time in the Great Midwest, and CUSA was pitiful.

I am certainly giving them their due this year. I would like to think UC could hang with them, but UD would certainly be favored. And depending on which UC team showed up on offense, it could be a blowout.

And I give them their due for the 2-3 nice teams Archie had, like the year they beat o$u in the NCAA tourney.

They have elevated their program since joining the A-10, and even more so after Xavier and others left for the new big east.

But for the other 80% or more of the last 30 years they have been a mediocre to poor program.
 
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(01-15-2020 09:39 AM)levydl Wrote:  I'd be fine playing UD because they are rarely terrible, usually solid, and sometimes really good (they are awesome this year). But I wouldn't prioritize them. If they are the best team you can get in a home and home, OK. But it doesn't appear like that's the case. We have been able to find better opponents over the last few years: Butler, OSU, UCLA, Tennessee, even Mississippi St.

We used to play UD nearly every year. It never became a rivalry. No one cared from either side. The last time we played them was at the Coliseum, and the place was half full.

All-time we are 60-31 Since 2000 we are 6-3. In the 80's-90's we once had a 11 game winning streak against them.

Have had a good program over the last decade with a NIT CH and Elite 8 appearance. Heard they beat us in the secret scrimmage to make us 0-4 against Ohio teams this year. Not sure we want to see another regional team regularly beating us.
 
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(01-15-2020 12:48 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 09:39 AM)levydl Wrote:  I'd be fine playing UD because they are rarely terrible, usually solid, and sometimes really good (they are awesome this year). But I wouldn't prioritize them. If they are the best team you can get in a home and home, OK. But it doesn't appear like that's the case. We have been able to find better opponents over the last few years: Butler, OSU, UCLA, Tennessee, even Mississippi St.

We used to play UD nearly every year. It never became a rivalry. No one cared from either side. The last time we played them was at the Coliseum, and the place was half full.

All-time we are 60-31 Since 2000 we are 6-3. In the 80's-90's we once had a 11 game winning streak against them.

Have had a good program over the last decade with a NIT CH and Elite 8 appearance. Heard they beat us in the secret scrimmage to make us 0-4 against Ohio teams this year. Not sure we want to see another regional team regularly beating us.

Yep, I recall UC dominating Dayton back when the teams played on a regular basis. That's not to say they aren't a fine team this year--they certainly appear to be.

But the perception of the A10 is mid-major. UC's goal should be to play as many non-conference games as possible each year against teams from P5 conferences. So I'll take a home & home with Georgia or Oklahoma or Penn State any day over UD. A matchup with most any P5 will bring a larger TV audience and generate more fan interest in Cincinnati. Do we really want to position Xavier's old arch rival (that was left behind) as our new regional rival?

For my money, I'm hoping our new A.D. Cunningham is working to extend the OSU series. I'd even be open to seeing that game in Cleveland every third year for our northern Ohio alumni and as a great early season road trip.
 
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I've lived in the Dayton area my entire life. UD fans can sometimes be rather arrogant. They so badly want to be "big time". I say no to playing them until they schedule Wright State, crosstown rival on a regular basis. They think they are kings in the Miami Valley. Xavier will always block them from the Big East and UD always thought they were superior to X, but couldn't beat UC for many years.

Dayton's attendance and following is due to having no other sports competition. Thus the reason for trying to keep Wright St. down. Other than Dayton Dragons baseball there is no other sports dollar competition for UD to overcome.
 
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I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
 
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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!

Dayton fans hate Xavier more than we do. They get it.
 
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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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UD is having a great year but you claiming they have had more success the last ten years is out there. 9 NCAA tournaments for us 4 second rounds and one sweet 16....Dayton 4 NCAA appearances with one sweet sixteen like us and one elite eight. I guess you equate " a lot more success" to that one elite eight game.
 
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(01-16-2020 01:54 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 01:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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UD is having a great year but you claiming they have had more success the last ten years is out there. 9 NCAA tournaments for us 4 second rounds and one sweet 16....Dayton 4 NCAA appearances with one sweet sixteen like us and one elite eight. I guess you equate " a lot more success" to that one elite eight game.
Yes, I do.

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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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This just isn't true. The Bearcats have 5 more tournaments and have finished higher in the rankings almost every season. UD does have that one great tournament run but UC's been more successful.
 
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(01-16-2020 01:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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This just isn't true. The Bearcats have 5 more tournaments and have finished higher in the rankings almost every season. UD does have that one great tournament run but UC's been more successful.
Maybe I'm jaded, but UC's failures every year puts them behind Dayton, IMO. Dayton has had 3 coaches in that time frame, but still managed to have the elite 8 run and a NIT championship (I know, I know, Not in Tournament). UC consistently underachieved.

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(01-16-2020 01:31 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  I have lived in South Dayton for a few years now and haven't run into many "bad" UD fans. I was able to go to the VCU game, thanks to a co-worker and the rehab of UD arena was very well done. They are a legit team and will make some noise in March. Fun to watch.

Would love to play them every year!
I agree with this. I think UC wants to act like it is a blue blood when the last 10 years Dayton as had a lot more success. No issue with the UD fans in my neighborhood.

I do agree that UD and WSU should play every year, but they do have 3x as many fans at every game than WSU hence it would be a great deal for the raiders and a crappy deal for Dayton of they lost a home game every year. I'm not sure that TV would be interested in the game either.

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Bolded, are you saying more success than Dayton had in the past or more than Cincinnati?

Granted they've had an Elite Eight. But during this decade, four tournament appearances compared with nine for UC (with a Sweet Sixteen); UC nationally ranked most years this past ten and considerably more national TV exposure for Cincy on CBS and ESPN channels in both the old Big East and now the American. The A10 is very competitive this season but most sports fans outside the Miami Valley couldn't name three other teams in that conference.

Don't get me wrong; I have a lot of respect for Dayton basketball and especially this year's team. I just feel if UC as a program aspires to be P5, it should be "playing up" pre-conference at every opportunity. Beating those big brand teams pre-conference carries more weight than beating any A10 team.
 
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