(10-24-2019 11:56 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Should consider Marshall or App State IMO

If not BYU, Army, or Air Force....please let it be Marshall.

(10-22-2019 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they are going to take a CUSA school then UAB would be the best overall candidate with a new stadium and good basketball.

ODU would be a good pickup as well but ECU might try to veto them to protect their turf.

If I were AAC I would look at GA St. killer market, solid hoops, new stadium, and football program that is trending upwards

Georgia state definitely fits the profile of a large, southern, public university.

(10-23-2019 07:33 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:30 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  UAB is averaging 30,000 this season in a 71,000 seat stadium. Our attendance would be 7th or 8th in the AAC. UAB has average over 26,000 the previous two seasons. Legion Field hurts our attendance. That will change in 2031 when 30,000 in a 40,000 seat stadium won't look as bad as does in a 71,000 seat stadium.

That 30K looks good, but its a very skewed number. 39K was vs Alabama St (who showed up in droves). The second game was about 28K---against S Alabama---another nearby team who helped fill the stadium. For the next two games vs Rice and ODU, where UAB would have to fill the stadium largely on their own, the attendance plummeted to an average of 21,500 over those two games. Worse yet---only 19,511 showed up at the most recent home game despite the fact that UAB is the reigning CUSA champion and is 6-1 right now.

Look, I get it. All G5's have to deal with trying to build attendance---my team has to work at it too. But the rule of thumb is attendance peaks during good years and falls in bad years. So, if a 6-1 team is struggling at the gate in Birmingham, that makes one wonder what the attendance will be when the inevitable sub .500 season rolls around. UAB, ODU, Charlotte, UMass, Georgia State, etc....they all seem to be the same to me. They are all "projects" that represent gambles that may or may not ever pay off. If its all about potential---then Georgia State, with nearly 53K students, located in a metro area of almost 6 million, probably has the greatest potential up side of all the candidates.

So pick and choose legit crowds? HBCU didn't count because they always show up???



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lol...I cant believe you of all people are going to criticize that post considering it's last sentence.

2019 Average Attendance:

Houston - 27,538
UAB - 27,534



Good luck to the Coogs for the rest of the season.

UAB attendance
2013 10,548
2014 21,841
2015 0
2016 0

UAB has about as much chance of getting invited to the AAC as Arkansas Tech.

(10-24-2019 12:06 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 11:56 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Should consider Marshall or App State IMO

If not BYU, Army, or Air Force....please let it be Marshall.

Good fanbase, good tradition, consistent football. Seems like a natural fit. The AAC isn't going to have some gigantic TV contract so they might as well get one of the best G5 brands available.

App State was a bit of a reach but they have many of the same qualities as well and that school is growing like crazy.

(10-24-2019 12:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  UAB attendance
2013 10,548
2014 21,841
2015 0
2016 0

What happened to the 2017 and 2018 attendance?

It will be Rice, because the AAC needs some bad teams to beat up on...oh, wait. NM.

(10-24-2019 12:41 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  UAB attendance
2013 10,548
2014 21,841
2015 0
2016 0

What happened to the 2017 and 2018 attendance?

2017 - 26375 (22608 if you remove the FCS Alabama A&M game)
2018 - 24291

(10-24-2019 12:13 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they are going to take a CUSA school then UAB would be the best overall candidate with a new stadium and good basketball.

ODU would be a good pickup as well but ECU might try to veto them to protect their turf.

If I were AAC I would look at GA St. killer market, solid hoops, new stadium, and football program that is trending upwards

Georgia state definitely fits the profile of a large, southern, public university.

Honestly---if your taking someone based entirely on potential---thats the one to take. 50K+ students in a metro of nearly 6 million....lots of upside there. That said, my belief is the AAC should just keep their powder dry until a proven clear option emerges from the field. No need to gamble now. Just be patient and the winning program will eventually reveal itself.

(10-24-2019 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:13 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they are going to take a CUSA school then UAB would be the best overall candidate with a new stadium and good basketball.

ODU would be a good pickup as well but ECU might try to veto them to protect their turf.

If I were AAC I would look at GA St. killer market, solid hoops, new stadium, and football program that is trending upwards

Georgia state definitely fits the profile of a large, southern, public university.

Honestly---if your taking someone based entirely on potential---thats the one to take.

I understand the logic, but do you really want a school that couldn't keep their basketball coach from being poached by Tulane?

Problem people keep forgetting is that ECU is on an island and do not have a travel partner. ODU with Norfolk area would be great, but James Madison is interested in the AAC.

(10-23-2019 06:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:30 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 10:26 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I think UAB is a good fit for the AAC institutionally. The question for me is whether the new stadium will generate the level of fan support needed. Otherwise, UAB is a strong choice - good institutionally, good market, and good location. But we already have a few teams that struggle with attendance, and I think we should be very cautious about adding another team drawing a 50% full stadium.

UAB is averaging 30,000 this season in a 71,000 seat stadium. Our attendance would be 7th or 8th in the AAC. UAB has average over 26,000 the previous two seasons. Legion Field hurts our attendance. That will change in 2031 when 30,000 in a 40,000 seat stadium won't look as bad as does in a 71,000 seat stadium.

That 30K looks good, but its a very skewed number. 39K was vs Alabama St (who showed up in droves). The second game was about 28K---against S Alabama---another nearby team who helped fill the stadium. For the next two games vs Rice and ODU, where UAB would have to fill the stadium largely on their own, the attendance plummeted to an average of 21,500 over those two games. Worse yet---only 19,511 showed up at the most recent home game despite the fact that UAB is the reigning CUSA champion and is 6-1 right now.

Look, I get it. All G5's have to deal with trying to build attendance---my team has to work at it too. But the rule of thumb is attendance peaks during good years and falls in bad years. So, if a 6-1 team is struggling at the gate in Birmingham, that makes one wonder what the attendance will be when the inevitable sub .500 season rolls around. UAB, ODU, Charlotte, UMass, Georgia State, etc....they all seem to be the same to me. They are all "projects" that represent gambles that may or may not ever pay off. If its all about potential---then Georgia State, with nearly 53K students, located in a metro area of almost 6 million, probably has the greatest potential up side of all the candidates.

So pick and choose legit crowds? HBCU didn't count because they always show up???

He does have a point - attendance is sensitive to record at all but the bluest-blood P5s. We at USF are a good example - we can draw 43,000 if the team is genuinely good, but 20,000 if they are lousy.

If a G5 is 6-1 and drawing flies, that is a problem.

They are averaging 30k and they are winning. Period.

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(10-23-2019 06:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:30 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 10:26 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I think UAB is a good fit for the AAC institutionally. The question for me is whether the new stadium will generate the level of fan support needed. Otherwise, UAB is a strong choice - good institutionally, good market, and good location. But we already have a few teams that struggle with attendance, and I think we should be very cautious about adding another team drawing a 50% full stadium.

UAB is averaging 30,000 this season in a 71,000 seat stadium. Our attendance would be 7th or 8th in the AAC. UAB has average over 26,000 the previous two seasons. Legion Field hurts our attendance. That will change in 2031 when 30,000 in a 40,000 seat stadium won't look as bad as does in a 71,000 seat stadium.

That 30K looks good, but its a very skewed number. 39K was vs Alabama St (who showed up in droves). The second game was about 28K---against S Alabama---another nearby team who helped fill the stadium. For the next two games vs Rice and ODU, where UAB would have to fill the stadium largely on their own, the attendance plummeted to an average of 21,500 over those two games. Worse yet---only 19,511 showed up at the most recent home game despite the fact that UAB is the reigning CUSA champion and is 6-1 right now.

Look, I get it. All G5's have to deal with trying to build attendance---my team has to work at it too. But the rule of thumb is attendance peaks during good years and falls in bad years. So, if a 6-1 team is struggling at the gate in Birmingham, that makes one wonder what the attendance will be when the inevitable sub .500 season rolls around. UAB, ODU, Charlotte, UMass, Georgia State, etc....they all seem to be the same to me. They are all "projects" that represent gambles that may or may not ever pay off. If its all about potential---then Georgia State, with nearly 53K students, located in a metro area of almost 6 million, probably has the greatest potential up side of all the candidates.

So pick and choose legit crowds? HBCU didn't count because they always show up???



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lol...I cant believe you of all people are going to criticize that post considering it's last sentence.

I hate attendance police. And I hate the implication that "well I don't like their actually attendance numbers because it doesn't feel like thats what they draw"

I mean I have seen someone post comparing UAB to the UAB they were familiar with in the 1980s. We are talking about perception from 35 years ago? They average 30k are winning and are AAU. They will be a strong candidate as far as the actual Presidents that vote are concerned.

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(10-24-2019 02:16 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 06:02 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  This is not rocket science.

G4 schools averaging 25K+ football attendance in both 2018 and 2017 in the Eastern, Central or Mountain time zones (can't see us going Paciific)

Air Force
Army
Boise
BYU
Colo St

A 12th team will come from this list. Colo St is rumored to have expressed interest.

After all, $7M per year > $2M which is what the MWC is looking at for TV money. And Colo St has a stadium to pay for.

The Air Force coach's recent comments indicate they might be interested too.

DavidSt I suppose counts as rumored. Or perhaps me for saying they are the ONLY MWC school that makes real sense as an All Sports member of the AAC.

BYU is a pipe dream, but AAC membership moves BYU no closer to Power status, probably further, and their schedule is set well into the next decade, with many P5 opponents. Air Force and Boise State have the Olympic Sports problem which simply kills the matter. Army has no interest, and a schedule booked even deeper into the next decade than BYU anyway. Since Army, Navy and Air Force already play each other, joining a conference together might actually lessen the rivalry value, since the conference would take precedence over the Trophy they now play for.

I totally see from the American's perspective how BYU, Boise State, Army and to a lesser extend Air Force make sexy choices. But the equation doesn't work for those schools. It becomes an edge case "if you pull an inside straight flush it works" sort of argument the AAC fans make. But they are all long shots, and I'm sure the American has already informally approached all of them through back door channels and it died there. They'd have certainly moved if the package fit, like it did for Wichita State.

Colorado State could work, but it's not sexy, and I can see how the American is very hesitant to go that direction. Temple, USF, UCF, ECU, and Cincy are probably not thrilled with the idea of playing in the Mountain time zone for Basketball and Volleyball (Football would only be once every four years). And I'm not sure the league is convinced CSU brings enough juice to the table to justify it, even if the school would be a strong member institutionally.

So people look elsewhere. ODU and Rice are the only other schools with budgets even within shouting range of the American. North Texas could get there. But does the American need another school in the same market as SMU (and TCU for that matter) or another in the same market as Houston, which are worse draws? So you have ODU who haven't done much and are an extremely young program.

UAB was a school I suggested a couple years ago, mostly for it's academic level, potential to revive Basketball (why the MVC was interested when they dropped football). But the school is very small for a public. It has only 9,600 undergraduate students, only 3,900 are males. The budget is too small, and the students are tapped out with very high fees just to keep the football program going. There is zero chance they can double their athletic budget to reach the caboose of the AAC. In short the numbers don't work.

You circle back around and you get the same list as before, and the same issues. If the American thinks keeping the CCG and the portion of the ESPN money that depends on it as worth admitting a long term program bet in Colorado State (institutionally they would be near the top of the American), then they will accept them for all sports.

But I think what is more likely is the American will kick the can down the road again in two years with another waiver, and the power schools will decide to end the division rules by then, as part of a larger package to move to 8 playoff teams. That is the bet the American is making, and I think it's a good one. Ironically it make sit easier for the B12 to remain intact.

I always think when people reject UAB/GSU/ODU et al, but pump some CSU that CSU must look great from a distance. Lol.
I mean they are just a mountain version of the schools you don't want.

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(10-24-2019 06:29 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 12:33 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 10:21 AM)Blazer4Life14 Wrote:  Between the snobbiness of AAC fans, the ignorance of people who know nothing about UAB, but claim to, and the homer-istic opinions of fans of teams that’re “being looked at” by the AAC, this thread has it all. It’s better than cable.

Well, the issue with the BOT from University of Alabama killed UAB's football program would hurt UAB getting into the AAC or other conference. UAB need to break away from UAT to escape the BOT, formed their own BOT, rename themselves and build up.

Boy you sound about as stupid as stupid can be. That is why you are so loved on this board.

FWIW, a lot of us DO value DavidSt pretty highly around here. Yes, he's often off in outer space, but it's a price worth paying for his quirky, outside the box thinking.

He’s had a couple of gems amongst his many whoppers and turds.
I don’t bust his chops too bad; good kid.

If you post EVERY theory one out of 14 million has to be right. I saw Endgame.

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(10-24-2019 07:54 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  If the AAC is proclaiming itself to be a power conference attendance shouldn't be a problem regardless if your program is good or not.

The Big 12 decided not to add programs because they wanted schools that enhanced the conference, not programs they had to build up.

No AAC school currently draws over 50,000, one draws over 40,000, 3 or 4 draws over 30,000. To say if a 6-1 G5 program is only drawing 20,000 is a problem, isn't that one of the reasons we're a G5 program? Ijs......lol.

*slow clap*

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panama Wrote:  They average 30k are winning and are AAU.

UAB is not AAU.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associat...iversities

(10-24-2019 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:13 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they are going to take a CUSA school then UAB would be the best overall candidate with a new stadium and good basketball.

ODU would be a good pickup as well but ECU might try to veto them to protect their turf.

If I were AAC I would look at GA St. killer market, solid hoops, new stadium, and football program that is trending upwards

Georgia state definitely fits the profile of a large, southern, public university.

Honestly---if your taking someone based entirely on potential---thats the one to take. 50K+ students in a metro of nearly 6 million....lots of upside there. That said, my belief is the AAC should just keep their powder dry until a proven clear option emerges from the field. No need to gamble now. Just be patient and the winning program will eventually reveal itself.

I don't think this is an option. The waiver is for two years. Unless the rules proposal is adopted soon, we will need to make a decision so that the team can give notice to their existing conference, or else we're going to end up ponying up $$$ to help them get a quick exit with an enhanced buyout.

My plan Buffalo gets the AAC spot announces 100 million stadium upgrade.
Dig down track removal adding suites nice around 35k.
Then the MAC adds NDSU football only to replace Buffalo.

(10-24-2019 07:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:13 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If they are going to take a CUSA school then UAB would be the best overall candidate with a new stadium and good basketball.

ODU would be a good pickup as well but ECU might try to veto them to protect their turf.

If I were AAC I would look at GA St. killer market, solid hoops, new stadium, and football program that is trending upwards

Georgia state definitely fits the profile of a large, southern, public university.

Honestly---if your taking someone based entirely on potential---thats the one to take. 50K+ students in a metro of nearly 6 million....lots of upside there. That said, my belief is the AAC should just keep their powder dry until a proven clear option emerges from the field. No need to gamble now. Just be patient and the winning program will eventually reveal itself.

I don't think this is an option. The waiver is for two years. Unless the rules proposal is adopted soon, we will need to make a decision so that the team can give notice to their existing conference, or else we're going to end up ponying up $$$ to help them get a quick exit with an enhanced buyout.

I’m pretty sure the rule is going to be modified—but even if it is not—the AAC can muddle through a few years with uneven divisions until a legit option emerges.

(10-24-2019 12:41 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 12:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  UAB attendance
2013 10,548
2014 21,841
2015 0
2016 0

What happened to the 2017 and 2018 attendance?

Wow. Talk about a swing and a miss.