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CMU and EMU's losses show that good coaches can only get you so far. If you don't have the talent to go with it, it doesn't matter because the coaches don't touch the football during the game. EMU, despite their turnaround and a solid coach in Creighton, still recruit poor. CMU, despite having a coach who knows the X's and O's, will struggle going to go from worst-to-first if they recruit middle-of-the-road.

(10-27-2019 05:00 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  CMU and EMU's losses show that good coaches can only get you so far. If you don't have the talent to go with it, it doesn't matter because the coaches don't touch the football during the game. EMU, despite their turnaround and a solid coach in consistently Creighton, still recruit poor. CMU, despite having a coach who knows the X's and O's, will struggle going to go from worst-to-first if they recruit middle-of-the-road.

I completely agree. Although I will admit the drop off isn't that far -- we are all getting 3 start recruits with the occasional 4 star. WMU has consistently been in the top 3 recruiting classes in the MAC since 2010 -- note that Lester was able to pull a top 3 in 2017 even though he was hired very late.

This team has the talent to go 3-0 down the stretch. We'll see if they can pull it off.

(10-27-2019 05:00 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  CMU and EMU's losses show that good coaches can only get you so far. If you don't have the talent to go with it, it doesn't matter because the coaches don't touch the football during the game. EMU, despite their turnaround and a solid coach in Creighton, still recruit poor. CMU, despite having a coach who knows the X's and O's, will struggle going to go from worst-to-first if they recruit middle-of-the-road.

I do agree with you for the most part, but I think most of us would agree that the MAC is QB driven. If you can find a good QB (LeFevour, Terrell, Lynch, Jackson, Woodside, etc.) you have a pretty good chance to be competitive. You obviously have to have more than just a QB, but if you don't have one you might end up being 1-11 like we were last season.

(10-28-2019 10:59 AM)r7carlsn24 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:00 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  CMU and EMU's losses show that good coaches can only get you so far. If you don't have the talent to go with it, it doesn't matter because the coaches don't touch the football during the game. EMU, despite their turnaround and a solid coach in Creighton, still recruit poor. CMU, despite having a coach who knows the X's and O's, will struggle going to go from worst-to-first if they recruit middle-of-the-road.

I do agree with you for the most part, but I think most of us would agree that the MAC is QB driven. If you can find a good QB (LeFevour, Terrell, Lynch, Jackson, Woodside, etc.) you have a pretty good chance to be competitive. You obviously have to have more than just a QB, but if you don't have one you might end up being 1-11 like we were last season.

Well, Enos couldn't recruit or coach (unlikely he'll get a 2nd year at Miami). Neither could Bonamego. And Heeke didn't care (you should be thanking Arizona daily for taking him off your hands).

That dug a deep hole for your current coach who appears to be competent, unlike his two immediate predecessors. Gonna take a while to get the talent.

Why Heeke didn't hire one of Jones' assistants in 2010 is a MAC Mystery...that greatly benefited WMU (Fleck in particular) and other MAC programs.

Their ave recruit rating is near the bottom of the MAC. CMUs team composite is bolstered by 4 transfers at the top in Deron Irving Bey & Jaraymond Hall(UofM), Brian Edwards (FL) & Dormady (Tenn & Hou). I wonder if recruits don’t like McElwain or view him as a short term solution in MtP and are reluctant to commit to someone who may not be there long. Possibly one benefit we have to having a HC that won’t get attention from P5 programs any time soon.

https://247sports.com/Team/Central-Michigan-118/Roster/

(10-28-2019 11:45 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 10:59 AM)r7carlsn24 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 05:00 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  CMU and EMU's losses show that good coaches can only get you so far. If you don't have the talent to go with it, it doesn't matter because the coaches don't touch the football during the game. EMU, despite their turnaround and a solid coach in Creighton, still recruit poor. CMU, despite having a coach who knows the X's and O's, will struggle going to go from worst-to-first if they recruit middle-of-the-road.

I do agree with you for the most part, but I think most of us would agree that the MAC is QB driven. If you can find a good QB (LeFevour, Terrell, Lynch, Jackson, Woodside, etc.) you have a pretty good chance to be competitive. You obviously have to have more than just a QB, but if you don't have one you might end up being 1-11 like we were last season.

Well, Enos couldn't recruit or coach (unlikely he'll get a 2nd year at Miami). Neither could Bonamego. And Heeke didn't care (you should be thanking Arizona daily for taking him off your hands).

That dug a deep hole for your current coach who appears to be competent, unlike his two immediate predecessors. Gonna take a while to get the talent.

Why Heeke didn't hire one of Jones' assistants in 2010 is a MAC Mystery...that greatly benefited WMU (Fleck in particular) and other MAC programs.

(Deep breath in) I can't believe I'm going to defend Enos, but I think he was actually a decent recruiter. Andy Phillips, LT Walton, Titus Davis, Nick Beamish, Jesse Kroll, Cooper Rush, Tony Annese, Mark Chapman, Corey Willis, Malik Foundtain are a few guys that come to mind. That said, he couldn't coach or scheme to save his life.

Bono I think was kind of in the same boat. This roster is made up of almost all Bono recruits and several of them are the main playmakers. I think Bono developed into a "players coach" being in the NFL and didn't have the coaching ability or discipline to get his players to perform when things went bad.

In the end, I'm glad both of them are no longer the coach. Having a competent coach and QB will go a long way in this conference.