At the halfway point in the season, everyone except Georgia Tech is still in play. Before this week, Virginia and UNC control their destiny. They each have 1 loss and still play each other. Pitt, and Duke are also 1 loss teams, but Pitt lost to Virginia, and Duke lost to Pitt.

Miami and Virginia Tech each have 2 losses, but both can play their way back into the picture. Miami still plays 1 loss Duke, Pitt, and UNC. VT plays 1 loss Pitt, Virginia, and UNC.

This week's key games are UNC - VT and Duke - UVA. Pitt needs to beat Syracuse to keep pace. Miami should be able to handle GT.

If Duke beats Virginia, then Pitt and UNC control their destiny. If Duke and UNC lose then Pitt controls their destiny. If UNC loses and Virginia wins the Hoos alone control their destiny.

If Pitt, UNC, and Virginia lose this weekend then Duke controls their destiny. Pitt would still be able to win the conference, but they would need someone to help by beating Duke.

Long story short, there is a lot of football to be played before the Coastal becomes clear.

"Pitt would still be able to win the conference"

No.

Pitt can win the Coastal then have its ass handed to it by Clemson.

(10-17-2019 09:44 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  At the halfway point in the season, everyone except Georgia Tech is still in play. Before this week, Virginia and UNC control their destiny. They each have 1 loss and still play each other. Pitt, and Duke are also 1 loss teams, but Pitt lost to Virginia, and Duke lost to Pitt.

Miami and Virginia Tech each have 2 losses, but both can play their way back into the picture. Miami still plays 1 loss Duke, Pitt, and UNC. VT plays 1 loss Pitt, Virginia, and UNC.

This week's key games are UNC - VT and Duke - UVA. Pitt needs to beat Syracuse to keep pace. Miami should be able to handle GT.

If Duke beats Virginia, then Pitt and UNC control their destiny. If Duke and UNC lose then Pitt controls their destiny. If UNC loses and Virginia wins the Hoos alone control their destiny.

If Pitt, UNC, and Virginia lose this weekend then Duke controls their destiny. Pitt would still be able to win the conference, but they would need someone to help by beating Duke.

Long story short, there is a lot of football to be played before the Coastal becomes clear.

Carolina has already beaten Miami,

(10-17-2019 10:40 AM)Statefan Wrote:  "Pitt would still be able to win the conference"

No.

Pitt can win the Coastal then have its ass handed to it by Clemson.

It's hypothetical... FWIW, NC State still has a clear path to win the Men's Basketball Championship.

(10-17-2019 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:40 AM)Statefan Wrote:  "Pitt would still be able to win the conference"

No.

Pitt can win the Coastal then have its ass handed to it by Clemson.

It's hypothetical... FWIW, NC State still has a clear path to win the Men's Basketball Championship.

Maybe on Fantasy Island.

(10-17-2019 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:40 AM)Statefan Wrote:  "Pitt would still be able to win the conference"

No.

Pitt can win the Coastal then have its ass handed to it by Clemson.

It's hypothetical... FWIW, NC State still has a clear path to win the Men's Basketball Championship.

NC State is not willing to do what it takes to compete at a championship level in men's basketball. If were up to me I would sell out just like Duke and UNC-Ch, but it's not.

You need to have at least $500,000 in walking around money at play every single year to buy off or pay off the leaches that hang on to the top players. You have to pay adminstrators and other students to look the other way. You have to pay doctors and psychologists to get kids marked as diasbled so they have easier academics if they attend class at all. You have to pay the legal system to tidy up behind. It's a pay to play system

Nothing generates CASH in today's society like Dentistry and Orthodontics. When UNC needs cash they have a cash machine. Duke has the cash before a student even enrolls. After the "sale" comes more service. Players and family members need to be taken care of with jobs and sometimes housing. Sometimes players are stupid and flash it on the street with Durham being the epicenter of such shenanigans in NC.

If you are not willing to pay to play, for whatever reason - too poor, too caught up in some sort of love affair with so-called honor and ethics, etc., you are not going to succede.

(10-17-2019 01:48 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:40 AM)Statefan Wrote:  "Pitt would still be able to win the conference"

No.

Pitt can win the Coastal then have its ass handed to it by Clemson.

It's hypothetical... FWIW, NC State still has a clear path to win the Men's Basketball Championship.

NC State is not willing to do what it takes to compete at a championship level in men's basketball. If were up to me I would sell out just like Duke and UNC-Ch, but it's not.

You need to have at least $500,000 in walking around money at play every single year to buy off or pay off the leaches that hang on to the top players. You have to pay adminstrators and other students to look the other way. You have to pay doctors and psychologists to get kids marked as diasbled so they have easier academics if they attend class at all. You have to pay the legal system to tidy up behind. It's a pay to play system

Nothing generates CASH in today's society like Dentistry and Orthodontics. When UNC needs cash they have a cash machine. Duke has the cash before a student even enrolls. After the "sale" comes more service. Players and family members need to be taken care of with jobs and sometimes housing. Sometimes players are stupid and flash it on the street with Durham being the epicenter of such shenanigans in NC.

If you are not willing to pay to play, for whatever reason - too poor, too caught up in some sort of love affair with so-called honor and ethics, etc., you are not going to succede.

Of course Carolina is the boogie man. It's always another ACC school's fault that State can't be competitive in sports.
When State doesn't win it's always because somebody is cheating or otherwise holding the wuffies down.

There has been a conspiracy within the ACC to keep the Pack from being a top tier program ...everybody that wears red and white will tell you that it's true...
it's the first thing that wolfpack parents teach their children. It's who they are and what they do..........it's pathetic!

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that UNC in fact operates a SEC level dirty athletic department.

I don't know if I buy the specifics of Statefan story, but I absolutely by the underlying premise when it comes to UNC writing whatever check it needs to.

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I buy Statefan’s story, totally believable. When FSU first joined the ACC then basketball coach Pat Kennedy complained to one of his coaching peers that UNC was doing something shady. The other guy says to him something like “you don’t want to be the guy to turn Dean Smith in, do you?”.

The problem is that most schools in some kind of a sport is playing dirty, if not basketball, then football or something else.

Another thing that should be even more concerning is that if a school is willing to do some shady things to acquire a player and keep him eligible for the sake of winning, then why stop there? I think refs are also payed off. It would be way more difficult to catch this type of cheating because you don’t have to go through parents, handlers, stupid kids making brags on social media, etc.

There isn't a FBS school outside of the service academies, and TBH I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a level of cheating there as well, that is clean. Everybody else is actively cheating at one level or another. Everybody. The people who think their school is some paragon of virtue is either lying or utterly stupid.

(10-17-2019 08:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  There isn't a FBS school outside of the service academies, and TBH I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a level of cheating there as well, that is clean. Everybody else is actively cheating at one level or another. Everybody. The people who think their school is some paragon of virtue is either lying or utterly stupid.

If you accept the NCAA rule book where the school is suppose to somehow monitor and be responsible for the behavior of fans too ... then yes.

Here are my thoughts on the Coastal teams:

Pitt - I like Narduzzi and I like the Pitt D. I think they have a real chance at winning the Coastal

Duke - I like Duke as well, and think their offense is explosive enough to keep them in the race

Miami - they are down a couple of games, but they have the talent to right the ship. Must beat Duke and Pitt and hope North Carolina and VT choke down the stretch

North Carolina - I can't figure out the Tarheel. Complete wildcard. Almost beats Clemson, beats South Carolina, beats Miami, loses to App State and Wake Forest

Virginia Tech - I'm losing faith in Fuente fast. They need to get their act together if they expect to compete

Virginia - disappointing so far...can't afford to lose to Duke

Georgia Tech - DOA

Overall: I think it will come down to Duke or Pitt. If Pitt chokes, Duke could surge into the top spot. Miami is still alive, but possibly tol far back.

(10-17-2019 06:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I buy Statefan’s story, totally believable. When FSU first joined the ACC then basketball coach Pat Kennedy complained to one of his coaching peers that UNC was doing something shady. The other guy says to him something like “you don’t want to be the guy to turn Dean Smith in, do you?”.

The problem is that most schools in some kind of a sport is playing dirty, if not basketball, then football or something else.

Another thing that should be even more concerning is that if a school is willing to do some shady things to acquire a player and keep him eligible for the sake of winning, then why stop there? I think refs are also payed off. It would be way more difficult to catch this type of cheating because you don’t have to go through parents, handlers, stupid kids making brags on social media, etc.

Ah yes, and the Illuminati is controlling UFO spy drones from underneath the Denver airport.

(10-18-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 06:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I buy Statefan’s story, totally believable. When FSU first joined the ACC then basketball coach Pat Kennedy complained to one of his coaching peers that UNC was doing something shady. The other guy says to him something like “you don’t want to be the guy to turn Dean Smith in, do you?”.

The problem is that most schools in some kind of a sport is playing dirty, if not basketball, then football or something else.

Another thing that should be even more concerning is that if a school is willing to do some shady things to acquire a player and keep him eligible for the sake of winning, then why stop there? I think refs are also payed off. It would be way more difficult to catch this type of cheating because you don’t have to go through parents, handlers, stupid kids making brags on social media, etc.

Ah yes, and the Illuminati is controlling UFO spy drones from underneath the Denver airport.

LOL! Cmon, are you really going to play this game of intentional ignorance? All schools cheat to varying levels. It is impossible to have a dynastic level program without dynastic levels of cheating. I’m sure you would take it as a given that Alabama does this in football. College athletics are the filthiest forms of sports out there in the U.S.

(10-19-2019 09:33 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 11:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 06:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I buy Statefan’s story, totally believable. When FSU first joined the ACC then basketball coach Pat Kennedy complained to one of his coaching peers that UNC was doing something shady. The other guy says to him something like “you don’t want to be the guy to turn Dean Smith in, do you?”.

The problem is that most schools in some kind of a sport is playing dirty, if not basketball, then football or something else.

Another thing that should be even more concerning is that if a school is willing to do some shady things to acquire a player and keep him eligible for the sake of winning, then why stop there? I think refs are also payed off. It would be way more difficult to catch this type of cheating because you don’t have to go through parents, handlers, stupid kids making brags on social media, etc.

Ah yes, and the Illuminati is controlling UFO spy drones from underneath the Denver airport.

LOL! Cmon, are you really going to play this game of intentional ignorance? All schools cheat to varying levels. It is impossible to have a dynastic level program without dynastic levels of cheating. I’m sure you would take it as a given that Alabama does this in football. College athletics are the filthiest forms of sports out there in the U.S.

Mark Miami off the list

(10-19-2019 03:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Mark Miami off the list

Of those that cheat to win?

(10-19-2019 03:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Mark Miami off the list

Unless you're a kicker looking for a scholarship. Diaz might go scout the Miami soccer team tomorrow. Wooo weee Miami kicking was putrid.

UPDATE after the games this weekend:

Controls their own destiny: UVA Win out and go directly to Charlotte. UVA has one loss.

Needs help but can still make it: Pitt with one loss needs UVA to lose another. If they win out and UVA loses another Pitt returns to Charlotte. VT needs a Duke loss but still plays 1 loss UVA and Pitt.

Needs a miracle: Duke and UNC both with 2 losses and teams that hold the tie breakers ahead of them.

It's all over: GT and Miami with 3 losses. Both can play spoiler. GT still has both one loss teams. Miami plays at Pitt next weekend.

Today was a bit of a judgement day in the Coastal. So here is the verdict:

UVA and Pitt are 1a and 1b in the Coastal. Both are by far the cream of that division. Both fanbases should make flexible travel arrangements for the ACCCG now.

Miami is crumbling. They may not have anything emotionally by the time they play FSU.