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(10-17-2019 10:48 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 10:38 PM)goldenflash99 Wrote:  Perceived or factual, Nielsen has become a liability. Donors are withholding. Coaches are leaving and/or unhappy. Long-time sponsors are leaving. Time for a change.

I don't even know that that is true. I know some big ones who aren't withholding. The other thing is, after a LONG career, Matt Geis left KSU. Maybe Matt leaving had something to do with donations being down. If you don't believe him leaving had any affect, you are saying he wasn't responsible for donations at one time (under JN) being at an all-time high. I certainly don't believe that.

Money talks.
JN schedules big games in football because he cannot raise funds on his own. Its an easy way out, football hates it but they are stuck. You know my opinion. I hope football does this indefinitely until they drop to DII

Have you ever asked Senderhoff to make sure he got your money? Ask Rob if money going to MBB has ever mistakenly been misallocated.

In talking to VP Sokany 100% there has been a major drop in monies coming in since this news has been made public. Over 100k in just 3-4 days. It is a really high number that is climbing. They hope donors will come back. Several people in administration know that not only will the money come back but it will increase when you get an AD that you can trust.

More news outlets are getting involved and more info will be coming out. It is 100% a story. A lot of people are finally stepping up.
10-18-2019 07:38 AM
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While I have no idea about the extent of the contact that the posters on this page have with the athletic department, I can say that the only seat I've ever had is at the MAC Center for basketball games.

I understand that nothing can happen without action, but I think it is important that everyone here admits to knowing what they don't (or do) know before beating the drum too hard.

I know butkus about the climate described in the petition.
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I find it ironic the Field Hockey fiasco got spun into a Title IX issue by some, but the actual Title IX issues in the past like the rape and subsequent lawsuit wasn’t added to narrative and the creepy peeper watching the female athletes was.
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I’ve not been following KSU athletics or those associated with it for some time, so can’t comment on the allegations in this letter to President Diacon. However, I personally know and have great respect for seven people who signed this petition. It’s hard to
imagine that they felt they had any other option before taking this public stand. Those I know on this list would never intentionally embarrass Kent State.

Others continue to work in NCAA athletics. Signing a petition to remove an AD is not typically a path to get ahead. They must think this is pretty serious to take this career risk.
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(10-18-2019 12:23 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  I find it ironic the Field Hockey fiasco got spun into a Title IX issue by some, but the actual Title IX issues in the past like the rape and subsequent lawsuit wasn’t added to narrative and the creepy peeper watching the female athletes was.


I knew about the rape, I knew about Joel tweeting for Arkansas over KSU golf. I knew about most people in the dept hating Joel. I knew that Joel will not take the reccommendations of the study and make MBB a priority. I know that people have refused to donate to athletics due to Joel. I knew I was nervous to step up.

I didnt know about the creeper and forcing an employee to work with him and covering it up.


I know that things can be painful before they get better.
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(10-18-2019 07:35 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 10:48 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 10:38 PM)goldenflash99 Wrote:  Perceived or factual, Nielsen has become a liability. Donors are withholding. Coaches are leaving and/or unhappy. Long-time sponsors are leaving. Time for a change.

I don't even know that that is true. I know some big ones who aren't withholding. The other thing is, after a LONG career, Matt Geis left KSU. Maybe Matt leaving had something to do with donations being down. If you don't believe him leaving had any affect, you are saying he wasn't responsible for donations at one time (under JN) being at an all-time high. I certainly don't believe that.

Money talks.
JN schedules big games in football because he cannot raise funds on his own. You know my opinion. I hope football does this indefinitely until they drop to DII

Have you ever asked Senderhoff to make sure he got your money? Ask Rob if money going to MBB has ever mistakenly been misallocated.

In talking to VP Sokany 100% there has been a major drop in monies coming in since this news has been made public. Over 100k in just 3-4 days. It is a really high number that is climbing. They hope donors will come back. Several people in administration know that not only will the money come back but it will increase when you get an AD that you can trust.

More news outlets are getting involved and more info will be coming out.

This donor has informed KSU no more $$$ until a change is made. We have been very generous annually more than 20 years. Considering cancelling my BB season tickets also.
Talk is cheap , but holding up $$$ will get their attention. It’s the only way
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There. Was. Not. A. Rape.
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(10-18-2019 12:23 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  I find it ironic the Field Hockey fiasco got spun into a Title IX issue by some, but the actual Title IX issues in the past like the rape and subsequent lawsuit wasn’t added to narrative and the creepy peeper watching the female athletes was.

When a case is in the court system it’s probably best not to discuss it. One misstep could result in you being dragged into the courts for libel. I agree the field hockey incident was not a Title IX issue but coming on the heels of USA soccer not paying the women’s team fairly the public was quick to call it that. It makes for a better story and gets more people fired up. In reality like most things the money (or lack there of) will decide Nielsen’s fate. The man has always treated me well but there is no doubt many of the donors dislike him (for many more reasons than how he treats women).
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(10-17-2019 08:12 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(10-17-2019 05:12 PM)burden Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 10:33 PM)cschierh Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 08:12 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  Here's some drama for your Thursday. I really don't know what to think.
https://www.change.org/p/kent-state-pres...c-director


For others late to this, there' been a lot of talk about the petition and the things leading up to it on this board, most recently in the "Future Football Schedule" thread.

The Kent Stater/KentWired had a solid story this week, quoting a lot of the people involved (though not Nielsen). President Diacon is quoted but didn't say much except "we're studying it." Link is.
http://www.kentwired.com/latest_updates/...92fdc.html

I saw online stories from Crain's Cleveland Business (a good news operation) and one of the Cleveland TV stations today. First stories I've seen outside the Stater. Nothing from Beacon or Record-Courier or PD.

I've consistently heard there has been higher-level pressure against publication at the Beacon and R-C. (Most of that was before the petition went public. It should be even harder to ignore now. I'm a retired journalism professor, and I'm really disappointed in those papers. In all my time in the newspaper business, I never saw a well-researched story spiked like this.)

Going public has given this thing some legs.

The beacon had an article in the Thursday paper. It’s funny how something as dumb as canceling a field hockey game caused this to go public. There were employees using master keys to harass people and employees gawking at the gymnastics team and nothing much happened.

Hi Burden,

It is kind of crazy, isn't it?

I think a big reason for nothing happening is that, as the climate study demonstrated, people were afraid to report wrongdoing for fear of retaliation.

One of my biggest regrets was not doing more when I was there. I was afraid of losing my job, especially as I was closing in on completing my master's degree. I'm not proud of my silence as I watched things get worse and worse.

Getting out of athletics entirely is part of why I felt safe coming forward a little over a year ago. I provided pages and pages of documents to the Akron Beacon Journal and Record Courier (two newspapers now in the same chain) in August of 2018. Reporters interviewed key witnesses, reviewed all of the documents, made more public records requests, and wrote a series of articles. Those stories were killed by the ABJ's editor in what I suspect, based on my own experience as a reporter, was part of a coverup.

I disagree, however, that the field hockey incident was silly. It showed once again just how dysfunctional the department is under Joel's "leadership," whether anyone thinks his handling of the situation was insensitive or not. Carelessness and lack of planning and due diligence have been staples of Nielsen's tenure.

Unfortunately, Nielsen has always been a teflon don, as staff and donors have come to call him. There is a layer of KSU administrators suffering from willful blindness.

As former KSU general Counsel Jim Watson commented on our blog yesterday, "Nielsen will never be removed so long as the upper administration continues their love-affair with Nielsen. They work hard to cover up his screw ups and place the blame on others. I get the feeling the new president is an honorable man. After that, not so much."

I agree with you on the field hockey incident. It’s silly because no one outside this website called it for what it was “gross mismanagement”. Everyone wanted to make it sound like a sexist act. That’s what was silly and yet I think it caused the story to take off with people who know nothing about Nielsen or Kent State sports. I think that’s what Kent State management reacted to. There whole marketing campaign is built around diversity. They needed to react to that aspect of the story quickly. Personally I think the drop in contributions will doom him soon enough.
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(10-19-2019 12:50 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  There. Was. Not. A. Rape.
There. Certainly. Was.

The issue is how the ball was dropped on the Title IX reporting process, the lawsuit was dismissed but I believe it is currently under appeal.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...andled-her

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2016/02/...s_son.html
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It took me a while to make a decision on the petition. I did sign it and added a lengthy explanation. I know nothing about cover-up, sexual harassment, rape, or staff climate. I can address what I do see: apathy.
Over the past 10 years, ticket prices went up, quality at the games went way down. I see a poor game day experience in all sports. JN came in and had to fill big shoes. However, nothing changes. You'd figure a new guy would bring in new ideas, make improvements, keep the fans pleased. A few years ago I started not going to games over other things that came up, making KSU Athletics priority 2 or 3 on various Saturday afternoons and weeknights. That didn't used to be the case for several years after I graduated.
I know wins an losses are not what make an AD good. I remember Kennedy saying as much years ago. However, keeping people coming to games, even when the product on the field is not very good, is what makes them good. I've seen no real reason to go to a Kent State game if I have better things to do.
Get rid of this guy. Otherwise I might start missing games for a presidential debate this winter.
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(10-19-2019 12:50 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  There. Was. Not. A. Rape.

^^^^^^^^^^

If there was a rape, I believe the young man would have been charged by the local authorities.
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(10-20-2019 08:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 12:50 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  There. Was. Not. A. Rape.

^^^^^^^^^^

If there was a rape, I believe the young man would have been charged by the local authorities.


Most rapes are never reported or prosecuted.

I’ve read the lawsuit. It’s pretty clear rape occurred.
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(10-20-2019 08:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 12:50 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  There. Was. Not. A. Rape.

^^^^^^^^^^

If there was a rape, I believe the young man would have been charged by the local authorities.

Am I missing something? You can't be serious. You can't possibly think that there is only rape if charges are filed.

Aside the fact of the large number of rapes that don't get reported, of the ones that are, much less than half are prosecuted and only about 15% lead to convictions, despite a false accusation rate of only 2%-6%.
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(10-20-2019 09:29 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(10-20-2019 08:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 12:50 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  There. Was. Not. A. Rape.

^^^^^^^^^^

If there was a rape, I believe the young man would have been charged by the local authorities.

Am I missing something? You can't be serious. You can't possibly think that there is only rape if charges are filed.

Aside the fact of the large number of rapes that don't get reported, of the ones that are, much less than half are prosecuted and only about 15% lead to convictions, despite a false accusation rate of only 2%-6%.

What I do KNOW, is we live in a country that says we are innocent until proven guilty. What I was saying above (after reading my post again, admittedly, very poorly worded) is that unless he has been convicted (which would have meant he would have been charged with rape) you cannot say there was a rape (you can, but that would be a false statement). And to my knowledge he has not been charged or convicted. It's her word against his.
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I get what you guys are saying. And I am not here to dismiss what happened or the awfulness of rape and women who have suffered through this horrible situation. That said, I am not here to be the judge and jury either. He was not convicted of rape, so therefore, by the definition of the law, he did not commit rape.
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(10-19-2019 08:34 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There. Certainly. Was.

The issue is how the ball was dropped on the Title IX reporting process, the lawsuit was dismissed but I believe it is currently under appeal.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...andled-her

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2016/02/...s_son.html

Oh, so you were there? You were right there and witnessed it?

It was never a criminal investigation. Not even from the start. You were probably one of those idiots ready to lead the Duke lacrosse players to the gas chamber.
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(10-21-2019 08:47 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 08:34 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There. Certainly. Was.

The issue is how the ball was dropped on the Title IX reporting process, the lawsuit was dismissed but I believe it is currently under appeal.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...andled-her

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2016/02/...s_son.html

Oh, so you were there? You were right there and witnessed it?

It was never a criminal investigation. Not even from the start. You were probably one of those idiots ready to lead the Duke lacrosse players to the gas chamber.

I think we can all just acknowledge there was a" sexual assault" investigation against the baseball player (who is the softball coach at the time son) by the softball player. It appears as another black mark on JN's tenure.
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Regardless of the actual charge, the Kesterson situation appears to have been badly bungled, in my opinion. As an employee of a different D1 University, my experience is that the responsibilities of faculty and staff are clear when a student alleges assault or harassment, or is accused of same. It is to direct the student (accuser or accused) to the Title IX office, to personally contact the Title IX office to report the conversation, then stay out of it. Don’t “investigate,” don’t follow up, don’t intervene with disciplinary action, don’t discuss. Period. Many universities require annual training on this process with a signature of understanding from all faculty or staff members. If these procedures were in place at Kent State, they were (allegedly) abused in this case. That alone is grounds for significant disciplinary action at other universities.

Title IX officers will advise a student alleging rape of his/her/their options. Roughly, a student has the option to file a criminal complaint with the municipal PD. The local police investigate the charge, the Title IX office investigates infractions of student conduct. If the student does not wish to file a criminal charge, Title IX still investigates infractions of student conduct. And, yes, any student accused receives a representative during the process.
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(10-21-2019 08:47 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  
(10-19-2019 08:34 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There. Certainly. Was.

The issue is how the ball was dropped on the Title IX reporting process, the lawsuit was dismissed but I believe it is currently under appeal.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...andled-her

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2016/02/...s_son.html

Oh, so you were there? You were right there and witnessed it?

It was never a criminal investigation. Not even from the start. You were probably one of those idiots ready to lead the Duke lacrosse players to the gas chamber.
Really? You really want to start and get personal like an “idiot”?

That said, there was little dispute the act occurred, the girl did not wish to jeopardize her standing by filing charges, therefore by default I suppose he’s innocent. So innocent his own mother knew he did it and offered it up to the victim as knowing he did it, apologized for him doing, contacted the parents to apologize and had her son make his half-assed attempt at an apology. This is just slightly different than an accusation that was flatly denied by all involved. SMH.
That charges weren’t filed doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That the original filing of the Title IX case didn’t happen and subsequent formal filing was also not probably handled at the direction of Joel Nielsen was the point of the original post, not the sexual assault that was perpetrated by the family member of a department employee.
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