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RE: Trump's days are numbered... He will be removed from office
(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
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(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this a long way from over.

That's the "we don't yet know what we don't know" defense, which is used by the dems whenever they realize they took a deep dive into a shallow pool, and just want to use time to slowly back away and hope no one is watching.

Exactly, they said the same thing with Mueller and that blew up to nothing. Same here. Good thing is people are wising up to the theatrics. The die hards will keep crying foul but they are preaching to the choir. Indys are growing tired of the insistent allegations based on inuendos and maybes/could bes/might haves, etc. I've said in the past that if the D's can come up with some legit policies, etc that Trump is beatable. As of now, the D's refuse to do that and continue down the bad man route. All that is going to continue to do is energize his base and entice Indys to vote R.

At least with meuller/Russia, they had a 2 year investigation to run on.

With this, they dove in head first with second-hand hearsay from 1 anonymous source. Yikes. 04-chairshot
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RE: Trump's days are numbered... He will be removed from office
(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this a long way from over.

That's the "we don't yet know what we don't know" defense, which is used by the dems whenever they realize they took a deep dive into a shallow pool, and just want to use time to slowly back away while hoping no one is watching.

Dude, more info is breaking on this daily and not much of anything is favorable toward trump. If you don't see that. you're just being obtuse.

Literally nothing is breaking.

Have to remember he considers the daily "might have, could have, could be, potentially, maybe" as breaking news.
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RE: Trump's days are numbered... He will be removed from office
(09-30-2019 12:56 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this a long way from over.

That's the "we don't yet know what we don't know" defense, which is used by the dems whenever they realize they took a deep dive into a shallow pool, and just want to use time to slowly back away and hope no one is watching.

Exactly, they said the same thing with Mueller and that blew up to nothing. Same here. Good thing is people are wising up to the theatrics. The die hards will keep crying foul but they are preaching to the choir. Indys are growing tired of the insistent allegations based on inuendos and maybes/could bes/might haves, etc. I've said in the past that if the D's can come up with some legit policies, etc that Trump is beatable. As of now, the D's refuse to do that and continue down the bad man route. All that is going to continue to do is energize his base and entice Indys to vote R.

At least with meuller/Russia, they had a 2 year investigation to run on.

With this, they dove in head first with second-hand hearsay from 1 anonymous source. Yikes. 04-chairshot

Shows they are becoming more desperate. Mueller didn't give them what they wanted so they won't go down that road. They've decided to fo the "hands up don't shoot" route even though we've seen how that will end as well. They'll never learn.
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RE: Trump's days are numbered... He will be removed from office
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.
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(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink
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(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Is gaslighting the new strategy? Put on a front and pretend biden isn't on tape doing the exact thing you're accusing Trump of having done, except with Trump the so-called smoking gun piece of evidence is actually exculpatory?

Also, whether it was a grand conspiracy or not, the procedures were changed. That's a fact. I imagine you've read the daily beast and pro publica OPINION pieces attempting to refute the Federalist, but they admit that they were changed, just that the whistleblower's complaint met the standard to be forwarded in the process. Those two outlets and the Federalist are arguing past one another.
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RE: Trump's days are numbered... He will be removed from office
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Biden's on tape bragging about it. The procedures were changed.04-cheers
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(09-30-2019 01:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Is gaslighting the new strategy? Put on a front and pretend biden isn't on tape doing the exact thing you're accusing Trump of having done, except with Trump the so-called smoking gun piece of evidence is actually exculpatory?

Also, whether it was a grand conspiracy or not, the procedures were changed. That's a fact. I imagine you've read the daily beast and pro publica OPINION pieces claiming otherwise, but they admit that they were changed, just that the whistleblower's complaint met the standard to be forwarded in the process. Those two outlets and the Federalist are arguing past one another.

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Quote:In fact, as a detailed review of the evidence conducted by The Intercept in May showed, Biden’s intervention in Ukrainian affairs that year, when he successfully pressed Ukraine’s then-president to dismiss a chief prosecutor who had failed to pursue corruption investigations, was no secret and was widely praised by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists and international donors to the country.

The reason there is footage of Biden boasting about this intervention on stage at a public event in 2018 is that he knew he had nothing to hide.

Put simply, there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani want Ukraine to validate by opening an investigation. Still, it has become an article of faith among Trump supporters that Biden got the chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, dismissed to derail a corruption investigation of a Ukrainian firm his son was paid to advise.
Reporters Should Stop Helping Donald Trump Spread Lies About Joe Biden and Ukraine


Quote:What the article didn’t mention or screenshot is a nearly identical field gracing Form 401 since at least May 2018, making it impossible that it was added as an easement for Trump’s whistleblower. The major difference in the fields is that the old form includes three options instead of two, subdividing secondhand sources into outside source and “other employees.”

There’s a reason the form has allowed secondhand reports all along. The requirement for firsthand whistleblowing only is completely made up.

“There’s never been a requirement that a whistleblower have firsthand knowledge of what they’re reporting,” said Irvin McCullough, an investigator at the nonprofit Government Accountability Project (and the son of a former IC IG). “They need to have a reasonable belief. The firsthand information is usually gathered by the inspector general, as I believe did occur here.”
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(09-30-2019 01:25 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Biden's on tape bragging about it. The procedures were changed.04-cheers

No, the form what changed. The law or procedures were not changed.
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(09-30-2019 09:54 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  Delicious

You posted your response in the wrong thread, so I fixed it for you.
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(09-30-2019 01:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Is gaslighting the new strategy? Put on a front and pretend biden isn't on tape doing the exact thing you're accusing Trump of having done, except with Trump the so-called smoking gun piece of evidence is actually exculpatory?

Also, whether it was a grand conspiracy or not, the procedures were changed. That's a fact. I imagine you've read the daily beast and pro publica OPINION pieces attempting to refute the Federalist, but they admit that they were changed, just that the whistleblower's complaint met the standard to be forwarded in the process. Those two outlets and the Federalist are arguing past one another.
He gets his info from a left leaning site called The Investigator or some BS.
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(09-30-2019 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:25 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Biden's on tape bragging about it. The procedures were changed.04-cheers

No, the form what changed. The law or procedures were not changed.

The form got changed? If that's the case, why? And why right before all this whistleblower stuff? Is it all a coincidence?
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If you're the Senate GOP you have to try and guess what's going to happen with the Democratic nomination race.

If Trump is impeached and acquitted by the Senate and Biden wins the nomination, Trump will get boat-raced in the election next year.

If Trump is removed from office and the Democrats nominate Bernie or Lizzie, then they will energize Republican voters who are angry about Trump being ousted will show up to vote to against those two but maybe not against Biden.
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(09-30-2019 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this is likely a long way from over.

No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Is gaslighting the new strategy? Put on a front and pretend biden isn't on tape doing the exact thing you're accusing Trump of having done, except with Trump the so-called smoking gun piece of evidence is actually exculpatory?

Also, whether it was a grand conspiracy or not, the procedures were changed. That's a fact. I imagine you've read the daily beast and pro publica OPINION pieces claiming otherwise, but they admit that they were changed, just that the whistleblower's complaint met the standard to be forwarded in the process. Those two outlets and the Federalist are arguing past one another.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-shows-...ower-smear

You're so predictable.
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(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If you're the Senate GOP you have to try and guess what's going to happen with the Democratic nomination race.

If Trump is impeached and acquitted by the Senate and Biden wins the nomination, Trump will get boat-raced in the election next year.

If Trump is removed from office and the Democrats nominate Bernie or Lizzie, then they will energize Republican voters who are angry about Trump being ousted will show up to vote to against those two but maybe not against Biden.

Huh? You have that exactly backwards. Remember what Clinton's approval rating jumped to after he was acquitted?

Trump is already on the verge of re-election as it is, his acquittal before the election would demoralize the dems and seal up his victory.
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(09-30-2019 02:11 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:25 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Biden's on tape bragging about it. The procedures were changed.04-cheers

No, the form what changed. The law or procedures were not changed.

The form got changed? If that's the case, why? And why right before all this whistleblower stuff? Is it all a coincidence?

Government forms get changed ALL the time. Usually just to clarify things and/or make them easier to fill out. Being in the tax business (mostly with state governments) I usually joke that they make changes just to justify keeping their jobs 03-wink. So yes, this is all just a coincidence.

You guys REALLY need to stop with all this deep state nonsense. It's not a good look.

More...

Quote:Facts First: This is false. The Federalist reading of the form is inaccurate and although the submission form that whistleblowers from the intelligence community fill out was revised in August 2019, the revision did not change the rules on who can submit a whistleblower complaint.
Even so, pro-Trump pundits and lawmakers spread the theory on Twitter and TV over the weekend as evidence of some nefarious plot against Trump. Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio told Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" that whistleblowers no longer need firsthand knowledge because "they changed the form."
Fact check: Trump falsely claims whistleblower rules changed just before Ukraine complaint
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(09-30-2019 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 01:07 PM)appst89 Wrote:  No, the coup attempt is not over. They will just move on to the next ridiculous claim.

You mean like Biden was corrupt and/or the Whistleblower law/form was changed? 03-wink

Is gaslighting the new strategy? Put on a front and pretend biden isn't on tape doing the exact thing you're accusing Trump of having done, except with Trump the so-called smoking gun piece of evidence is actually exculpatory?

Also, whether it was a grand conspiracy or not, the procedures were changed. That's a fact. I imagine you've read the daily beast and pro publica OPINION pieces claiming otherwise, but they admit that they were changed, just that the whistleblower's complaint met the standard to be forwarded in the process. Those two outlets and the Federalist are arguing past one another.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-shows-...ower-smear

You're so predictable.

You're so wrong.

They only changed the question presentation on the form, they didn't change the law or the requirements. Move along. You're embarrassing yourself.
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(09-30-2019 02:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If you're the Senate GOP you have to try and guess what's going to happen with the Democratic nomination race.

If Trump is impeached and acquitted by the Senate and Biden wins the nomination, Trump will get boat-raced in the election next year.

If Trump is removed from office and the Democrats nominate Bernie or Lizzie, then they will energize Republican voters who are angry about Trump being ousted will show up to vote to against those two but maybe not against Biden.

Huh? You have that exactly backwards. Remember what Clinton's approval rating jumped to after he was acquitted?

Trump is already on the verge of re-election as it is, his acquittal before the election would demoralize the dems and seal up his victory.

I agree that trump is on the verge of something, but right now, It's NOT re-election! 03-rotfl
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Yes they’re numbered. He has around 2000 days to go until Jan 2025
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(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-30-2019 12:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
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(09-30-2019 11:15 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Oh, well if Drudge..

If you truly believe 67 Senators are going to convict him, you need to stop analyzing politics.

Of course, knowing what we know now, they won't. But this a long way from over.

That's the "we don't yet know what we don't know" defense, which is used by the dems whenever they realize they took a deep dive into a shallow pool, and just want to use time to slowly back away while hoping no one is watching.

Dude, more info is breaking on this daily and not much of anything is favorable toward trump. If you don't see that. you're just being obtuse.

Literally nothing is breaking.

I must respectfully disagree here.

The hearts and minds of liberals have been breaking, nay... EXPLODING, daily since 2016 election night.
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