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(02-15-2020 05:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If we want to speed up the game then let the batters foul out with 2 strikes. I'm not serious, but it would work.

On a more serious note, I think 2 minutes between innings is workable. With the slower nature of baseball, there's no reason to take long commercial breaks. Just incorporate ads into the broadcast.

I always thought a natural fix was to eliminate commercial breaks between innings as well. Put advertisements on the screen, and simply speed up the warm-up process for pitchers.
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(02-16-2020 05:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 05:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Adding rules to solve problems that don’t exist.

The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

Yes. No warmup pitches on the field, except when the previous pitcher left because of injury and is replaced by a pitcher who had no warmup in the bullpen. Also, maximum of 2 minutes between the end of one half inning and the start of the next. I'd make it a minute and a half if it was feasible.

I’d take that in a heartbeat. MLBPA would cry bloody murder of course.

With Manfred he'd likely capitulate to the PA's whining. In times like these MLB needs a Kennesaw Mountain, he'd f**k the Union with a rusty spoon.

But I do like the additional proposals posted as well. Especially striking out on foul balls.

The problem is with the CBA and the union now- they can't just unilaterally do stuff... No commissioner could do what Mountain did now today.
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RE: 2019-20 MLB Off Season/Hot Stove Thread
(02-16-2020 05:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 05:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

Yes. No warmup pitches on the field, except when the previous pitcher left because of injury and is replaced by a pitcher who had no warmup in the bullpen. Also, maximum of 2 minutes between the end of one half inning and the start of the next. I'd make it a minute and a half if it was feasible.

I’d take that in a heartbeat. MLBPA would cry bloody murder of course.

With Manfred he'd likely capitulate to the PA's whining. In times like these MLB needs a Kennesaw Mountain, he'd f**k the Union with a rusty spoon.

But I do like the additional proposals posted as well. Especially striking out on foul balls.

The problem is with the CBA and the union now- they can't just unilaterally do stuff... No commissioner could do what Mountain did now today.

If Landis was commissioner today, the owners would fire him before the end of his first pay period. If you're not completely sure of that, ask Fay Vincent.
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RE: 2019-20 MLB Off Season/Hot Stove Thread
(02-16-2020 07:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 05:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 05:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Yes. No warmup pitches on the field, except when the previous pitcher left because of injury and is replaced by a pitcher who had no warmup in the bullpen. Also, maximum of 2 minutes between the end of one half inning and the start of the next. I'd make it a minute and a half if it was feasible.

I’d take that in a heartbeat. MLBPA would cry bloody murder of course.

With Manfred he'd likely capitulate to the PA's whining. In times like these MLB needs a Kennesaw Mountain, he'd f**k the Union with a rusty spoon.

But I do like the additional proposals posted as well. Especially striking out on foul balls.

The problem is with the CBA and the union now- they can't just unilaterally do stuff... No commissioner could do what Mountain did now today.

If Landis was commissioner today, the owners would fire him before the end of his first pay period. If you're not completely sure of that, ask Fay Vincent.

good point.
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(02-16-2020 07:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 05:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 05:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 07:56 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Yes. No warmup pitches on the field, except when the previous pitcher left because of injury and is replaced by a pitcher who had no warmup in the bullpen. Also, maximum of 2 minutes between the end of one half inning and the start of the next. I'd make it a minute and a half if it was feasible.

I’d take that in a heartbeat. MLBPA would cry bloody murder of course.

With Manfred he'd likely capitulate to the PA's whining. In times like these MLB needs a Kennesaw Mountain, he'd f**k the Union with a rusty spoon.

But I do like the additional proposals posted as well. Especially striking out on foul balls.

The problem is with the CBA and the union now- they can't just unilaterally do stuff... No commissioner could do what Mountain did now today.

If Landis was commissioner today, the owners would fire him before the end of his first pay period. If you're not completely sure of that, ask Fay Vincent.

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RE: 2019-20 MLB Off Season/Hot Stove Thread
(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 05:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Adding rules to solve problems that don’t exist.

The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

That is something that should be done.

they have bullpens. They are warming up there. No other sport or position allows for the stoppage of play so a player can warm up during the game.

It would be like allowing a basketball player to shoot some baskets before coming in - on the court. Or a QB to get some practice routes with his receivers. Hell, lets let a kicker kick a few before he has to attempt a FG.
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(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 05:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Adding rules to solve problems that don’t exist.

The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

I'm sorry but boo hoo. Having an inning with 1 batter faced, pitching change, 1 batter faced, pitching change, 1 batter faced, pitching change- that is not good at all...
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And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.
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(02-17-2020 02:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.

That example illustrates why the rule is a gross overreaction.

If that was the problem, it could have been addressed by a rule requiring only that the starting pitcher face at least three batters.
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(02-17-2020 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.

That example illustrates why the rule is a gross overreaction.

If that was the problem, it could have been addressed by a rule requiring only that the starting pitcher face at least three batters.

Other stuff as well. Sorry but folks do not want to sit thru an inning with batter, pitching change, batter, pitching change, batter, another pitching change.
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(02-17-2020 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.

That example illustrates why the rule is a gross overreaction.

If that was the problem, it could have been addressed by a rule requiring only that the starting pitcher face at least three batters.

Other stuff as well. Sorry but folks do not want to sit thru an inning with batter, pitching change, batter, pitching change, batter, another pitching change.

That goes back to the comments above about warmup pitches. If warmup pitches in the middle of an inning were outlawed, as they should be, then changing pitchers in mid-inning would be no more disruptive than substituting players in mid-quarter in a basketball game.
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(02-17-2020 03:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.

That example illustrates why the rule is a gross overreaction.

If that was the problem, it could have been addressed by a rule requiring only that the starting pitcher face at least three batters.

Other stuff as well. Sorry but folks do not want to sit thru an inning with batter, pitching change, batter, pitching change, batter, another pitching change.

That goes back to the comments above about warmup pitches. If warmup pitches in the middle of an inning were outlawed, as they should be, then changing pitchers in mid-inning would be no more disruptive than substituting players in mid-quarter in a basketball game.

I just don't think that's realistic though.
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(02-17-2020 04:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 03:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And sorry the 3 batter rule- the teams ONLY have themselves to thank. Teams doing stupid **** like the 2018 Brewers in the LCS.

That example illustrates why the rule is a gross overreaction.

If that was the problem, it could have been addressed by a rule requiring only that the starting pitcher face at least three batters.

Other stuff as well. Sorry but folks do not want to sit thru an inning with batter, pitching change, batter, pitching change, batter, another pitching change.

That goes back to the comments above about warmup pitches. If warmup pitches in the middle of an inning were outlawed, as they should be, then changing pitchers in mid-inning would be no more disruptive than substituting players in mid-quarter in a basketball game.

I just don't think that's realistic though.

If you can arbitrarily say that a pitcher who enters the game in the middle of the 7th has to pitch to three batters, then you can just as easily say that a relief pitcher has to take all his warmup tosses before he is substituted into the game. If that's not realistic, it's only because the doofuses who run the sport won't do it.
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(02-17-2020 11:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 05:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Adding rules to solve problems that don’t exist.

The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

That is something that should be done.

they have bullpens. They are warming up there. No other sport or position allows for the stoppage of play so a player can warm up during the game.

It would be like allowing a basketball player to shoot some baskets before coming in - on the court. Or a QB to get some practice routes with his receivers. Hell, lets let a kicker kick a few before he has to attempt a FG.

Excellent point.
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(02-15-2020 05:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If we want to speed up the game then let the batters foul out with 2 strikes. I'm not serious, but it would work.

On a more serious note, I think 2 minutes between innings is workable. With the slower nature of baseball, there's no reason to take long commercial breaks. Just incorporate ads into the broadcast.

no to the first one- I like those battles between pitcher/batter even if they're long.

yes to 2 minutes, and don't they already have some in-game ads on screen these days?
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(02-17-2020 07:57 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 11:42 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 04:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-14-2020 05:09 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Adding rules to solve problems that don’t exist.

The problem is speed of the game, but forcing relievers to see 3 batters doesn’t seem like the solution. How about no warm up pitches instead?

That is something that should be done.

they have bullpens. They are warming up there. No other sport or position allows for the stoppage of play so a player can warm up during the game.

It would be like allowing a basketball player to shoot some baskets before coming in - on the court. Or a QB to get some practice routes with his receivers. Hell, lets let a kicker kick a few before he has to attempt a FG.

Excellent point.

I agree here. No warmup pitches on field unless injury replacement or maybe just one max.
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I was just starting to calm down a little and you post this ****? There goes my blood pressure again...
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All I ask is that we can please keep the bashing of my hometown Astros to a minimum.

Thank you,04-cheers
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