(09-17-2019 03:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:46 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

They've trained more.

Impossible. trump defeated them all long ago. Haven't you heard?

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

(09-17-2019 03:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:46 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

They've trained more.

The dead ones trained more? You see how silly you sound.

(09-17-2019 10:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

Why would the Saudi's do it when they have a bootlicker willing to do anything for some money and a hotel. Do boy trump will follow the orders of his masters.

(09-18-2019 08:32 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

Why would the Saudi's do it when they have a bootlicker willing to do anything for some money and a hotel. Do boy trump will follow the orders of his masters.

Need to up your troll game. Same ol' same ol. You can do better.

(09-18-2019 08:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:32 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

Why would the Saudi's do it when they have a bootlicker willing to do anything for some money and a hotel. Do boy trump will follow the orders of his masters.

Need to up your troll game. Same ol' same ol. You can do better.

He really can't...

Another silly post from slllllooooowwww-witted CB.

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

We need to extract ourselves from the region. It may be time to take the shackles off Israel.

Graham is a neocon who never met a war he didn't like.

(09-18-2019 08:32 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

Why would the Saudi's do it when they have a bootlicker willing to do anything for some money and a hotel. Do boy trump will follow the orders of his masters.

Thought he was a ROOOSKIES!!! asset?

This all gets very confusing

(09-19-2019 06:18 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:32 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

Its the appropriate proportional response---but shouldnt the Saudi's be the ones to do it? They have a missile with a range of 4000 miles. Let them do it.

Another one on my side. Let the Saudis do their own dirty work, they don't own us, we're not their private body guards. Just because Oblunder started a precedence by bowing to those people doesn't mean we have to continue the S kissing.

Why would the Saudi's do it when they have a bootlicker willing to do anything for some money and a hotel. Do boy trump will follow the orders of his masters.

Thought he was a ROOOSKIES!!! asset?

This all gets very confusing

They just make up the narrative as they go along. Facts stopped mattering years ago.

(09-15-2019 10:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here is the elephant in the room. We don't depend on Saudi--or Mideast--oil. NAFTA is basically oil self-sufficient, and the US by itself is close, thanks to fracking. Some Saudi oil may make its way here, but that's just in the normal flow of commerce.

But China does. It imports a lot of oil, and 2/3 of it comes from the Mideast. That fraction may go down slightly with a new pipeline from Siberia, but China will still depend heavily on the Mideast. Without it, their economy collapses and they have mass starvation. Until somebody figures out how to run a pipeline across the Himalayas, that oil has to come by sea, through the Straits of Hormuz, around India, and through the Straits of Malacca or some other passage through Indonesia. And China does not yet have a navy that can secure that supply chain.

We do it for them, in our role as world policeman. We are also doing it for Japan, South Korea, and others. If we pull out, there is a very likely possibility that China, Japan, India, and the others will get involved in some kind of battle over securing oil supplies. China does not really have the upper hand in such a struggle. China's other option would be to invade Siberia and take over Russia's extensive oil and gas fields. There was a Clancy novel about that.

The US long range strategy on oil since the 50's was to cap our oil and gas once it is found and use everyone else's. It worked brilliantly. Now we have, and the Arabs are past peak. Iran has to be defanged, but not by Israel. The Saudi's won't do it because Muslim's can't kill other Muslim's. The Russians won't do it because Iran is their vassal. The Europeans can't do it because their immigration policy practically invites civil war if they do.

So, that leaves us, and it is partially our responsibility since Carter screwed over the Shaw, but I can't fully blame Carter because the Shaw was dying of cancer anyway. The best thing to do to Iran is to hit them with an EMP and neutralize the power grid. That will set them back for quite some time. It will also make them more susceptible to incursion.

(09-17-2019 03:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:46 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

They've trained more.

Impossible. trump defeated them all long ago. Haven't you heard?

At least Trump tried.. Your big eared Messiah would've looked away...

There's an elephant in the room.

One big difference between Saudi and Iran is that Iran has imperial ambitions--the re-creation of the ancient Persian Empire, from Kabul to Aden to Cairo to Istanbul. The name change from Persia to Iran is instructive in this regard. It occurred in 1935 and the name Iran has no direct translation from Farsi to English, but loosely translated it means, "Empire of the Aryan People." It was widely regarded (note the date) as a coded signal to Hitler, "Send us some Messerschmidts and tanks, and we will meet you at the Bosporus." It didn't happen, but it left an impression on the Arabs.

Persians are Aryans, part of the Indo-European racial subgroup that extended from India through Russia to Europe in ancient times. Like Jews, Arabs are Semitic. In Biblical terms, Isaac and Ishmael were both sons of Abraham. I once had a Saudi prince (rather low-level one, there are many, and this one was the son of a wife who was not a favorite of the king, but he was still a prince) tell me at a party at the British Consulate then located in Dhahran, "We have a saying, my brother and I will fight my cousin, my cousin and I will fight the world. And we never forget that Ishmael and Isaac were brothers."

There is a very real possibility of a coalition between Israel and the Arab states to fight Iran. After that, they would go back to hating each other, but that's the brother/cousin thing.