Here's the Russian response (which doesn't tell me much except they want to profit from this)

(from Al Jazeera news)

Putin proposes Russian missile defence for Saudi Arabia
Russia is ready to help Saudi Arabia following attacks on the Saudi oil industry if needed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after talks with leaders of Turkey and Iran in Ankara, and proposed Russian weapons for purchase.

"We are ready to provide respective assistance to Saudi Arabia, and it would be enough for the political leadership of Saudi Arabia to make a wise government decision - as the leaders of Iran did in their time by purchasing S-300 and as (Turkish) President (Tayyip) Erdogan did by purchasing the latest S-400 'Triumph' air defence systems from Russia," Putin said.

These Russian weapons would protect any infrastructure facilities of Saudi Arabia, he added.

(09-16-2019 10:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Is it our fight, no.

Sadly, our inaction on ensuring our NATO partners were meeting their requirements for the shared North Atlantic defense make this our fight.

We might not be dependent on ME oil these days but everybody else we are by default defending are. Any disruption in the ME oil supply cripples Europe militarily and we are the only ones who can pick up the slack, and if action is called for we, along with our British cousins, are going to be expected to lead the way because nobody else is capable of doing so. The EU is toothless, and so is NATO without us.

The leftists bitched and whined when Trump hammered the rest of NATO over military spending but before all is said and done military action is going to be required in the Gulf to preserve NATO and it's going to have to be led by us and we are all going to share the blame because before Trump there wasn't an administration, Republican or Democrat, willing to hold Europe's feet to the fire to ensure they were capable of taking care of themselves going back 40 years.

(09-16-2019 09:54 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 08:38 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 07:32 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So am I hearing we are perfectly fine with China going scorched Earth in Iran and taking it over? Is it better to have China running a country in the ME?

Are we “fine” with it? No. Is it something I want to send American treasure to stop? Not really. We don’t need ME oil. Doubt England does either. My initial reaction is to let those condescending Know-it-all’s in Germany and France deal with it on their own. The only reason I’m remotely interested is that it might present an opportunity to take out Iran’s nuke program once and for all.

The problem I have is, the country(ies) that ARE dependent upon ME oil don't do things the way we do. IMHO they will say eff it, let's just go in there, demolish the place and take it over. I don't see that as a plus for the West.

I’d give that scenario about a 1% chance of even being attempted.

They haven’t the stones nor the hardware to even attempt something that reckless.

We do, and do. But much better off sitting this one out. This is between Saudi and the Mullahs, NOT the Iranian people.

IMO, the saudis have the ability and hardware to fight, but not the will. The mullahs have the will, but neither the support or hardware to do so.

Sooooo, what we got? Big bowl of nothingness.

Stay put, watch it fizzle like a fart in the wind.

(09-16-2019 07:03 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So why was Bolton fired.

According to him he resigned

(09-16-2019 07:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I think we still should secure shipping with our assets..but..nothing beyond that unless attacked. IMO... Iran is not going to engage our Navy. They are selling woof tickets. Maybe we can leverage helping the Chinese keep the oil flowing when we sit down at trade talks?

Yup!

All of this. Top/high alert, no mistakes allowed by the moorlahs.

no quarter given if Iran decides to try and quarantine and take our Servicemen hostage at gunpoint again like swifty Kerry so fecklessly kneeled down for.

But no firing til we see the whites of their eyes. Await the first volley. If it happens? Ruh, Roh.

When it doesn’t? Cooler heads and measured restraint should rule the day.

Only fire if fired upon. But only if willing to go full ‘tard on them.

(09-16-2019 07:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So far the only response I've seen from China is one of caution.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi...SKBN1W10LI

“Pondering who is to blame in the absence of a conclusive investigation I think is in itself not very responsible. China’s position is that we oppose any moves that expand or intensify conflict,” Hua (their foreign ministry spokesperson) told a daily news briefing.

“We call on relevant parties avoid taking actions that bring about an escalation in regional tensions. We hope all sides can restrain themselves and can jointly safeguard the peace and stability of the Middle East.”

Yea. China’s already in “Dire Straits” due to their intransigence with the single place that buys their plastic garbage.

Toss in a fuel shortage? Lol.

You got a billion+ folks really, really PO’ed, not at us, they’re very smart people.

They know, and have known for decades, what the game is and what the problem is-their own government.

Hungry people become desperate people, and the Xi cabal knows what comes with any major disruption. China’s little more than North Korea on steroids with a semblance of crooked capitalism mixed in. Oligarchs and peasants, exactly what Mao thought he was stomping out.

This lil romp may well solve about 5 problems all at once.

Still not tired

(09-16-2019 07:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Here's the Russian response (which doesn't tell me much except they want to profit from this)

(from Al Jazeera news)

Putin proposes Russian missile defence for Saudi Arabia
Russia is ready to help Saudi Arabia following attacks on the Saudi oil industry if needed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after talks with leaders of Turkey and Iran in Ankara, and proposed Russian weapons for purchase.

"We are ready to provide respective assistance to Saudi Arabia, and it would be enough for the political leadership of Saudi Arabia to make a wise government decision - as the leaders of Iran did in their time by purchasing S-300 and as (Turkish) President (Tayyip) Erdogan did by purchasing the latest S-400 'Triumph' air defence systems from Russia," Putin said.

These Russian weapons would protect any infrastructure facilities of Saudi Arabia, he added.

Lol.


Uhhhhh, so it’s smart that Iran, Saudi and turkey alllll buy Soviet weapons systems to “protect” themselves from the others soviet weapons systems.

Mmmmmkay. Who’s in bed with the ROOOSKIES!!!?

Players gonna play, others gotta know when they’re getting played. C’mon

(09-17-2019 05:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 07:03 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So why was Bolton fired.

According to him he resigned

No doubt he'd now want to go in guns blazing. Probably good that he's out.

(09-16-2019 07:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So far the only response I've seen from China is one of caution.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi...SKBN1W10LI

“Pondering who is to blame in the absence of a conclusive investigation I think is in itself not very responsible. China’s position is that we oppose any moves that expand or intensify conflict,” Hua (their foreign ministry spokesperson) told a daily news briefing.

“We call on relevant parties avoid taking actions that bring about an escalation in regional tensions. We hope all sides can restrain themselves and can jointly safeguard the peace and stability of the Middle East.”

In other words "We can't afford for our oil prices to increase. Please play nice."

(09-16-2019 07:33 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Here's the Russian response (which doesn't tell me much except they want to profit from this)

(from Al Jazeera news)

Putin proposes Russian missile defence for Saudi Arabia
Russia is ready to help Saudi Arabia following attacks on the Saudi oil industry if needed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after talks with leaders of Turkey and Iran in Ankara, and proposed Russian weapons for purchase.

"We are ready to provide respective assistance to Saudi Arabia, and it would be enough for the political leadership of Saudi Arabia to make a wise government decision - as the leaders of Iran did in their time by purchasing S-300 and as (Turkish) President (Tayyip) Erdogan did by purchasing the latest S-400 'Triumph' air defence systems from Russia," Putin said.

These Russian weapons would protect any infrastructure facilities of Saudi Arabia, he added.

Russia selling to both sides. The fact that they are doing so publicly could either be seen as a warning to Iran and Turkey, or showing their hand that they want to help make sure the region remains fairly destabilized. Also selling weapons systems that they know the full capabilities and limitations of. I doubt Russia would be very happy if SA purchased Israeli or US weapons systems.

Great...this should make us all feel better!

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

That is the appropriate response. I oppose a ground war, regime change, or occupation, but if the military wants to turn Iran into a parking lot from 1,000 miles away, I say fire away.

Why we have drones right?

(09-17-2019 12:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Why we have drones right?

We probably have some Tomahawks that are due to expire or need an overhaul if we dont use them in the next year or two.

(09-17-2019 12:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Great...this should make us all feel better!

That is the appropriate response. I oppose a ground war, regime change, or occupation, but if the military wants to turn Iran into a parking lot from 1,000 miles away, I say fire away.

Knocking out a refinery just drives up oil prices more.

Knock out about 3 or 4 Republican guard naval vessels. Alternatively it could be a couple of air bases.

Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

(09-17-2019 01:46 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

They've trained more.

(09-17-2019 03:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:46 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:45 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Glad the Republicans care so much about protecting the 911 hijackers.

You mean the dead ones?

They've trained more.

Nah, they are all to busy with their virgins at the moment.