I agree that Brady is going to be our quarterback barring injury. He did make some nice plays and did have a few nice throws downfield. He did a great job on the shovel pass on 4th and 1 in a high pressure situation. He’s a perfectly acceptable QB. But in terms of our game plan most any division 1 QB can make those short throws. Brady can’t get out of trouble with his legs and he can’t really make plays under pressure. Nor can he throw in the rain. If a team brought 8 in the box and brought pressure every play and stayed close to our WRs and challenged us to beat them deep I’m not sure White could do it.

I think that’s the main point of the thread. Good win but I can forsee us losing a couple of games this year because of Whites limitations. His limitations are such that the correct gameplan may be able to shut down our offense. I think that’s a legitimate concern.

(08-31-2019 06:42 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  White is holding this team back IMO.

In some ways I agree, but you can't argue with the stats. When the play is executed, he looks good. When it breaks down, he doesn't look so good. And most plays in big situations break down.

White was nearly a 5* QB coming out of high school, but it is hard to dispute he has never shown more than low 3* talent. He is just good enough to keep the starting job, but he will never be a difference maker. His arm is weak, he can't run, and he makes some horrendous decisions (not enough to lose his job so far). It is very likely he is the best QB on the roster though which is sad. He would have to get tremendously better for us to sniff another conference championship game especially with Tulane and the return of King at Houston.

Next year his real competition arrives and I think we may see Paxton vs. PianoMan 2.0.
https://247sports.com/player/keilon-brown-46050507/

(09-01-2019 09:09 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 06:42 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  White is holding this team back IMO.

In some ways I agree, but you can't argue with the stats. When the play is executed, he looks good. When it breaks down, he doesn't look so good. And most plays in big situations break down.

Be patient; he has another year, maybe next summer he can work on his arm strength and footwork

(08-31-2019 06:48 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Indeed I did.
Brady was running for his life for most of it.
Oline needs to jel.

Sad to see you put down our O-line to build up White.
That terrible O-line you put down did enough for our Running Backs to average 4.6 yards per rush. White averaged 5.5 yards per attempt.

btw Whites QBR was 33, which is at least better than Ole Miss QB ranking of 17. 2

https://www.espn.com/college-football/bo...=401110726

Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Blaming the O’line for Brady’s low YPC? The same O’line that allowed our RBs to gash the Ole Miss defense? Brady is an OK QB who IMO, at least after this first game, hasn’t shown progression since last season. We have a good defense this year; that and the running game will be the keys for a good season. It’s fair to question if Brady’s weaknesses will be a factor against the better teams in conference.

(09-01-2019 09:20 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 06:48 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Indeed I did.
Brady was running for his life for most of it.
Oline needs to jel.

So to build up the QB you put down our O-line?

I think that is a fair criticism given the results. Give any D1 QB out there 2 mississippi's (ha!) to make all of the reads and make a decision on what to do in the same situation and the result would be the same. For the poster above that said we "gashed" their defensive front with our RB's, I would ask how many of those runs were between the tackles?

Ahh I see. The 205 running yards between Taylor and Gainwell at almost 5 ypc are the result of their supreme skill sets. Poor O’line just stood there watching the stud RBs do their thing.

(09-01-2019 06:57 AM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 12:23 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  I will take 15- 10 win everygame. New front O-line players , so many unanswered questions about the D. Both sides of the ball did what they had too. The game had me nervous even before kickoff. I think White will be fine, give it some time new people filling big shoes.
GO TIGERS !!!

White is 9-6 as as starter; after the ole miss win. Reality check !

Awesome vs our sos

(09-01-2019 09:27 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Just because he isn't a passing qb doesn't default make him a game manager.

Last season we lost a lot of leads with him game managing. That is not what a game manager does. A lot of those lost leads came due to his performance. Especially in the games that it started raining after we had a lead. He was wildly inconsistent last year. He had halves (and even quarters) where he played really good and then turn right around and fall apart the next half (or quarter).

He is a pro style akin a spread era. Watch any other game, even the best teams quarterback gets pressure and has to move around in the pocket. Don’t blame the line or receivers. Also don’t believe he is 6’3 205. More like 6’1 180

(09-01-2019 10:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 09:27 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Just because he isn't a passing qb doesn't default make him a game manager.

Last season we lost a lot of leads with him game managing. That is not what a game manager does. A lot of those lost leads came due to his performance. Especially in the games that it started raining after we had a lead. He was wildly inconsistent last year. He had halves (and even quarters) where he played really good and then turn right around and fall apart the next half (or quarter).

And yet - with all that said - Norvell (The guy paid a couple of million a year to make these sorts of judgement calls) evidently believes that White gives the team the best chance of winning on the field. All of which may say more about the backups than it does about Brady White. At least for the time being.

I woke up this morning in the state of joy. We Won!!! We beat Ole Miss!!!
No Fears about Future loss need invade our heads.

Ok...I got it. Everybody, try this.

Win=Joy
Loss=Sorrow

We JOY!!!

(09-01-2019 10:16 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 09:27 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Just because he isn't a passing qb doesn't default make him a game manager.

Last season we lost a lot of leads with him game managing. That is not what a game manager does. A lot of those lost leads came due to his performance. Especially in the games that it started raining after we had a lead. He was wildly inconsistent last year. He had halves (and even quarters) where he played really good and then turn right around and fall apart the next half (or quarter).

And yet - with all that said - Norvell (The guy paid a couple of million a year to make these sorts of judgement calls) evidently believes that White gives the team the best chance of winning on the field. All of which may say more about the backups than it does about Brady White. At least for the time being.

While White certainly isn't the best quarterback in history to wear Tiger pads, the kid obviously has the respect of his coaches and teammates.

Sure, this team (or any other team) could put up better numbers with a future NFL qb under center, Brady is a solid young man who deserves our support...and we did actually beat a SEC team in our season opener, didn't we?

(09-01-2019 10:30 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:16 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 09:27 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Just because he isn't a passing qb doesn't default make him a game manager.

Last season we lost a lot of leads with him game managing. That is not what a game manager does. A lot of those lost leads came due to his performance. Especially in the games that it started raining after we had a lead. He was wildly inconsistent last year. He had halves (and even quarters) where he played really good and then turn right around and fall apart the next half (or quarter).

And yet - with all that said - Norvell (The guy paid a couple of million a year to make these sorts of judgement calls) evidently believes that White gives the team the best chance of winning on the field. All of which may say more about the backups than it does about Brady White. At least for the time being.

While White certainly isn't the best quarterback in history to wear Tiger pads, the kid obviously has the respect of his coaches and teammates.

Sure, this team (or any other team) could put up better numbers with a future NFL qb under center, Brady is a solid young man who deserves our support...and we did actually beat a SEC team in our season opener, didn't we?

Some of those leads last year were lost when Henderson took himself out of the game at critical points (injuries??) when we needed to run the ball. Taylor is good but not great.

(09-01-2019 10:30 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:16 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 09:27 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Sometimes the intangibles come into play: Brady might not be anything other than an average D1 QB when it comes to his overall skill set; however, his ability to 'manage' the game seems to be the trait that gives him an edge over the other QBs. The other point to consider is that he is consistent, dependable and doesn't make a lot of game changing mistakes. Noted shortcomings aside, there are reasons that in Norvell's eyes White gives the Tigers the best chance to win on the field. Thats got to be worth something in this discussion.

Just because he isn't a passing qb doesn't default make him a game manager.

Last season we lost a lot of leads with him game managing. That is not what a game manager does. A lot of those lost leads came due to his performance. Especially in the games that it started raining after we had a lead. He was wildly inconsistent last year. He had halves (and even quarters) where he played really good and then turn right around and fall apart the next half (or quarter).

And yet - with all that said - Norvell (The guy paid a couple of million a year to make these sorts of judgement calls) evidently believes that White gives the team the best chance of winning on the field. All of which may say more about the backups than it does about Brady White. At least for the time being.

While White certainly isn't the best quarterback in history to wear Tiger pads, the kid obviously has the respect of his coaches and teammates.

Sure, this team (or any other team) could put up better numbers with a future NFL qb under center, Brady is a solid young man who deserves our support...and we did actually beat a SEC team in our season opener, didn't we?

And thats exactly the point here. Brady White is a leader and he got the job done with the tremendous help of what appears to be our best defense in years. Its a great time to be a Tiger!

(09-01-2019 09:20 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(08-31-2019 06:48 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Indeed I did.
Brady was running for his life for most of it.
Oline needs to jel.

Sad to see you put down our O-line to build up White.
That terrible O-line you put down did enough for our Running Backs to average 4.6 yards per rush. White averaged 5.5 yards per attempt.

btw Whites QBR was 33, which is at least better than Ole Miss QB ranking of 17. 2:jawdrop:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/bo...=401110726

Aren’t there 2 different types of QB ratings? ESPN.com uses the rarely used one. I see no way his rating could be that low with his stats. Doesn’t jive with NFL box scores.

I'm grateful we won and didn't have to listen to those Rebels talk ish. And Brady is my QB, but he's still the same as last year so all that he's bigger, stronger stuff won't fly the rest of the season for me. Had a guy Pop? for a TD across the field and damn near skipped it to him. Guy had to stop his run and drive back to get the completion.

After watching the replay at home I feel a
better about Brady White. He was running for his life yesterday. The interception he did throw should have been a PI call because the defender tackled the receiver and then they called a hold on him. The refs tried to screw us big time. Bad playcalling and penalties made the game as close as it was. Easily could have been a 28-10 game.