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How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
I'm going to let Bill Plaschke be the starting point. I personally predicted Kelly would flop at UCLA, that he was reheated soup, that his assistants and Nike's recruiting machine carried him at Oregon. And that he was exposed in the NFL as a guy who was not good at the details, at personnel, or at people skills (he is a horrible unlikable person, extremely arrogant). He is simply incapable of rebuilding. Fickell out coached him easily, with just as young a team, and without the ability to get 5 star recruits UCLA gets just for being UCLA (like when Faust was at Notre Dame). Enough of me. You guys defend Kelly if you want.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/stor...th-whimper
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RE: How bad a coach is Chop Kelly?
Chip went 46-7 with top-4 finishes in 75% of his years at Oregon.

He should’ve gone back there when Helfrich was begging him to return.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chop Kelly?
Kelly is rebuilding a program that had nothing but turmoil for the past generation (the past 25 years). Seriously...
Bob Toledo (1996-2002) fired.
Karl Dorrell (2003-2007) fired.
Rick Neuheisel (2008-2011) fired.
Jim Mora (2012-2017) fired.

Since Terry Donahue retired, no coach has lasted more than six seasons at UCLA. That's not something that any coach is going to turn around in one season and one game. And, supposedly, Kelly has the most talented group at UCLA in awhile. Lets see where the season goes.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chop Kelly?
(08-30-2019 04:39 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Kelly is rebuilding a program that had nothing but turmoil for the past generation (the past 25 years). Seriously...
Bob Toledo (1996-2002) fired.
Karl Dorrell (2003-2007) fired.
Rick Neuheisel (2008-2011) fired.
Jim Mora (2012-2017) fired.

Since Terry Donahue retired, no coach has lasted more than six seasons at UCLA. That's not something that any coach is going to turn around in one season and one game. And, supposedly, Kelly has the most talented group at UCLA in awhile. Lets see where the season goes.

UCLA is the UNC of the left coast. Maybe Terry Donahue can come back out of retirement like Mack Brown did.
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(08-30-2019 03:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I'm going to let Bill Plaschke be the starting point. I personally predicted Kelly would flop at UCLA, that he was reheated soup, that his assistants and Nike's recruiting machine carried him at Oregon.

I think it's still too soon to tell.

UCLA sure did look like shite last night though.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
Like the PAC 12 is doing well. Give him another year or two and see what happens,
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
Kelly had Nike recruiting and he had a better staff at Oregon.

Once the program was rolling he was fine. And he inherited a strong structure. But Kelly has no ability to build from the ground up. He is terrible with people, and the best do not want to work for him. I saw this up close with the 49ers, and Eagle fans saw him demolish the Eagles operation, after inheriting a strong group.

He will not succeed at UCLA. It looks very similar to what we saw with the 49ers. UCLA had 6-6 talent last year, but was 3-9. They have maybe even better talent this year.

Kelly's inability to do details is apparent in the failure to execute blocking schemes, tackle or even run well time routes. What Kelly had at Oregon was a lot of fast talent, a strong assistant coaching staff given to him - which recruited along with Nike, and a tempo offense. None of this is in UCLA, and Kelly has no idea how to build the staff to produce that.

Worst IMO is his personality. Teams will quit on him if they are not winning. He has no ability to relate to people. There is something quirky about his interactions, definite it's a mix of arrogance (he doesn't listen) and just plain inability to relate to others. Herm Edwards may be equally clueless, but better people will work with him, as he delegates -he knows he doesn't know what he's doing- and at least he motivates (in an old fashioned rah-rah way). Kelly is a mumbler.

UCLA gambled big time that the NFL was wrong, and Larry Scott (with his strong Tennis background) was super thrilled and agreed. But Kelly's hiring simply points out that UCLA's leadership doesn't know what it's doing. And they are stuck for probably not just this year, but next before they can cut their losses.

All you guys who point to his steam roller days at Oregon are unable to say why that happened or how or why that translates. Nor can you explain why Kelly cannot show even flashes of that roll now. Sure we shouldn't maybe don't expect winning out the gate, but there is talent the NFL is drafting, so flashes of the Kelly team that will win big time should be showing up. But they are not, especially on offense - and that is supposed to be his strength.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
UCLA's football program deteriorated on Mora's watch and needs a substantial rebuild. I would hire Chip for a college program that's loaded with talent and just needs a few offensive tweaks to get over the top, but that's not what UCLA is. I don't care how many stars some recruiting service gave anybody, you can just watch the games and see that the talent on that team isn't good enough.

It's not a plug-and-play situation like Chip had at Oregon. He didn't even have to assemble a coaching staff at Oregon. I don't know whether he has a strong enough staff at UCLA, either for coaching or recruiting.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
I’ve long had the opinion that UCLA might be one of the worst jobs for a basketball or football coach out there, and an athletic director, too. There’s something very carcinogenic at that place and within its culture.

Who knows how the Pac will shake out, but I wouldn’t doubt Chip losing his job before the end of the season, especially if they look like they’re on a course to repeat last year’s mark.

And it’s there where I might feel for the guy. Because this was never a good fit, but three firings in that short a span is probably going to keep him from a lot of jobs. Then I remember his personality and inability to reason and deal with people...maybe being cut out of the game for some time may be good for the guy.

Eagles fans hate the ever loving f*** out of him here. As in, his failures in other places make our sports news. And we’re brutal out here (though it’s overstated); he wasn’t a good fit for Philly, but a different dish altogether after Andy Reid’s long tenure. And San Fran was a trainwreck.

I wonder if he’d humble himself for a non-major gig. Could go back to the pro’s as an assistant? Can he stop being a fountainhead?
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
Even if Chip Kelly's the George Lucas of coaches, I agree with a lot of the posters on here that it's probably as much of a UCLA problem as a Chip Kelly problem. Rick Neuheisel is not a bad coach, and he couldn't find success there. You start to wonder how much of it's a coach problem after a while.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
(08-30-2019 03:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I'm going to let Bill Plaschke be the starting point. I personally predicted Kelly would flop at UCLA, that he was reheated soup, that his assistants and Nike's recruiting machine carried him at Oregon. And that he was exposed in the NFL as a guy who was not good at the details, at personnel, or at people skills (he is a horrible unlikable person, extremely arrogant). He is simply incapable of rebuilding. Fickell out coached him easily, with just as young a team, and without the ability to get 5 star recruits UCLA gets just for being UCLA (like when Faust was at Notre Dame). Enough of me. You guys defend Kelly if you want.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/stor...th-whimper

I have a difficult time blaming Chip Kelly for that loss. Quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson (DTR) fumbled twice in the red zone without anyone touching him. Both times, he wound up to throw, and the ball slipped out of his hand. I am sure Chip Kelly is not teaching him that. He also threw two interceptions and could have had more. DTR completed 8 of 26 passes and had a QBR of 5.9 for the game. I am sure he didn't approve of Jay Shaw's unsportsmanlike conduct after his interception return of 66 yards. That cost UCLA a possible field goal.

Beating USC last season helped Kelly a lot. It gave the fans some hope. The 37-7 win at Cal did helped as well. Losing to San Diego State next weekend at home would not sit well with fans. UCLA is 15-0 vs SDSU in football.

My concern about Chip Kelly is the talent. I am not sure I see the kind of talent that UCLA should have. From 2013 through 2018, UCLA had 30 players drafted into the NFL. Cincinnati had five players drafted into the NFL in that period. Watching last year's and this year's games against Cincinnati, I didn't see much difference in talent. Kelly does not appear to be recruiting the kind of talent they should be getting. He has been recruiting a lot of speed.

I see him recruiting a lot of three star talents and he may think he is finding players that have not peaked or have a lot of upside. For example, Kelly has a commitment from a 2020 three star linebacker from Temecula. The only other offer the kid has is San Diego State. They also offered a 2021 dual threat quarterback out of San Jacinto. The only other offer the kid has is New Mexico State. I saw the kid from San Jacinto in the playoffs last year. He looked good and apparently he played well at a UCLA camp this summer. I did not see him as a Pac-12 QB. Maybe Kelly is a brilliant judge of talent. But if he isn't, he is going to be done in football as a head coach.
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By no means is Chip Kelly a guarenteed success at UCLA but hire still made ton of sense. West coast guy whom had show could win at big west coast college. I dont think we should make a huge deal yet but we usually see the trajectory by emd of year 2. If not looking stronger at end (even if week year overall) that is when i would be concerned.
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I’m not gonna say chip doesn’t deserve criticism but I also don’t see this as a bad loss. I expected them to lose worse than they did tbh. Cincinnati is gonna be pretty decent this year and probably going forward under fickell.
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(08-30-2019 05:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Kelly had Nike recruiting and he had a better staff at Oregon.

Once the program was rolling he was fine. And he inherited a strong structure. But Kelly has no ability to build from the ground up. He is terrible with people, and the best do not want to work for him. I saw this up close with the 49ers, and Eagle fans saw him demolish the Eagles operation, after inheriting a strong group.

He will not succeed at UCLA. It looks very similar to what we saw with the 49ers. UCLA had 6-6 talent last year, but was 3-9. They have maybe even better talent this year.

Kelly's inability to do details is apparent in the failure to execute blocking schemes, tackle or even run well time routes. What Kelly had at Oregon was a lot of fast talent, a strong assistant coaching staff given to him - which recruited along with Nike, and a tempo offense. None of this is in UCLA, and Kelly has no idea how to build the staff to produce that.

Worst IMO is his personality. Teams will quit on him if they are not winning. He has no ability to relate to people. There is something quirky about his interactions, definite it's a mix of arrogance (he doesn't listen) and just plain inability to relate to others. Herm Edwards may be equally clueless, but better people will work with him, as he delegates -he knows he doesn't know what he's doing- and at least he motivates (in an old fashioned rah-rah way). Kelly is a mumbler.

UCLA gambled big time that the NFL was wrong, and Larry Scott (with his strong Tennis background) was super thrilled and agreed. But Kelly's hiring simply points out that UCLA's leadership doesn't know what it's doing. And they are stuck for probably not just this year, but next before they can cut their losses.

All you guys who point to his steam roller days at Oregon are unable to say why that happened or how or why that translates. Nor can you explain why Kelly cannot show even flashes of that roll now. Sure we shouldn't maybe don't expect winning out the gate, but there is talent the NFL is drafting, so flashes of the Kelly team that will win big time should be showing up. But they are not, especially on offense - and that is supposed to be his strength.

Must be the smog in LA frying college administration brains. USC WEST made the same dumb hires there too with their current AD and head coach. USC has been struggling in the PAC - 12 in recent years too. 07-coffee3
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(08-30-2019 06:31 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’ve long had the opinion that UCLA might be one of the worst jobs for a basketball or football coach out there, and an athletic director, too. There’s something very carcinogenic at that place and within its culture.

Who knows how the Pac will shake out, but I wouldn’t doubt Chip losing his job before the end of the season, especially if they look like they’re on a course to repeat last year’s mark.

And it’s there where I might feel for the guy. Because this was never a good fit, but three firings in that short a span is probably going to keep him from a lot of jobs. Then I remember his personality and inability to reason and deal with people...maybe being cut out of the game for some time may be good for the guy.

Eagles fans hate the ever loving f*** out of him here. As in, his failures in other places make our sports news. And we’re brutal out here (though it’s overstated); he wasn’t a good fit for Philly, but a different dish altogether after Andy Reid’s long tenure. And San Fran was a trainwreck.

I wonder if he’d humble himself for a non-major gig. Could go back to the pro’s as an assistant? Can he stop being a fountainhead?

Just curious - what do you see as wrong with UCLA's culture?

What makes UCLA a worse culture than USC or Washington? Or other basketball powers like Kentucky & Indiana? Or other schools that chew up & spit out coaches like Illinois & Arkansas?
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We will know much more about UCLA as the season progresses. Too soon to say Kelly was a bad hire.
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Better than Strong at USF by a mile.
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Idk, I might take Chip Kelly over Willie Taggart
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(08-30-2019 04:53 PM)B easy Wrote:  UCLA is the UNC of the left coast. Maybe Terry Donahue can come back out of retirement like Mack Brown did.

ECU is the ECU of the east coast.
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(08-31-2019 11:06 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Better than Strong at USF by a mile.

UCLA vs USF would the resistable force vs the movable object.
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