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(08-31-2019 03:39 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Idk, I might take Chip Kelly over Willie Taggart

Taggart's teams get better. FSU looked better today vs Boise than they did last year. They actually looked great for a full half, the team just forgot that there was a second half.

If I were an FSU fan I'd be cautiously optimistic going forward. No, you're not beating Clemson, but everyone else is fair game.
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I have zero faith in Chip Jelly. He had his best gig in Oregon. He couldn't hack it in the NFL and he looks to me like he's going through the motions because of his name and NFL experience. There were several times in the Cincinnati game when he was smiling on the sidelines. Believe me, there was no reason for any smiles at that point. He's now 3-10 at UCLA with the following games remaining on the schedule:

@ Cincinnati L
San Diego St
#4 Oklahoma
@ #23 WSU
@ Arizona
Oregon St
@ #24 Stanford
Arizona St
Colorado
@ #14 Utah
@ USC
Kalifornia

He will not make it past this season and I don't blame UCLA for showing him the door. He should've taken an OC job somewhere and got his mind and heart where they need to be.
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(08-31-2019 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 03:39 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Idk, I might take Chip Kelly over Willie Taggart

Taggart's teams get better. FSU looked better today vs Boise than they did last year. They actually looked great for a full half, the team just forgot that there was a second half.

If I were an FSU fan I'd be cautiously optimistic going forward. No, you're not beating Clemson, but everyone else is fair game.

Lol, FSU basically lost at home to the mountain boys. He’s not a good coach.
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(08-31-2019 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 03:39 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Idk, I might take Chip Kelly over Willie Taggart

Taggart's teams get better. FSU looked better today vs Boise than they did last year. They actually looked great for a full half, the team just forgot that there was a second half.

If I were an FSU fan I'd be cautiously optimistic going forward. No, you're not beating Clemson, but everyone else is fair game.

Defense can't be on the field for 100+ plays

If I'm a coach, that's an unacceptable stat. It's alarming
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(08-31-2019 10:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What makes UCLA a worse culture than USC or Washington? Or other basketball powers like Kentucky & Indiana? Or other schools that chew up & spit out coaches like Illinois & Arkansas?

Washington has a much better athletic department "culture" because they have a really good AD (the previous one was good, too) and they've had a good "batting average" for hiring coaches.

The lack of those things are the problems in UCLA's athletic department. They have a weak AD whose coaching hires are often questionable, and because the AD is weak, he couldn't stand up to angry boosters who demand quick firings even if he wanted to. They have pretty much everything else going for them, but those two issues have been holding them back in both football and men's hoops for as long as "Chianti Dan" has been the AD.
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(09-01-2019 02:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 10:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What makes UCLA a worse culture than USC or Washington? Or other basketball powers like Kentucky & Indiana? Or other schools that chew up & spit out coaches like Illinois & Arkansas?

Washington has a much better athletic department "culture" because they have a really good AD (the previous one was good, too) and they've had a good "batting average" for hiring coaches.

The lack of those things are the problems in UCLA's athletic department. They have a weak AD whose coaching hires are often questionable, and because the AD is weak, he couldn't stand up to angry boosters who demand quick firings even if he wanted to. They have pretty much everything else going for them, but those two issues have been holding them back in both football and men's hoops for as long as "Chianti Dan" has been the AD.

Kelly has a $9 million buyout clause. But it'd be worth it to get rid of him. He needs to produce this year, but even 5-7 seems upper limit.

Fans wanted Guerrero out for hiring Alford. After that the failure to land Bennett last year and having to settle on Mick Cronin is damning. Chip Kelly they actually outbid Florida, although I think the Gators dodged a bullet with that one.

Keeping this AD is on Gene Block, the Chancellor. This is the guy that can get rid of him. But they have been a pair since 2007. UCLA may have to wait for Bock to retire (there is hope, he is 71, he'll step down by Ruth Bader Ginsberg's age a mere 15 years from now).

This loss yesterday is starting Bruin nation to grumble. It might have started earlier, but he beat the inept Clay Helton and his loaded USC team (Helton is also a disaster)
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(09-01-2019 04:17 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(09-01-2019 02:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 10:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What makes UCLA a worse culture than USC or Washington? Or other basketball powers like Kentucky & Indiana? Or other schools that chew up & spit out coaches like Illinois & Arkansas?

Washington has a much better athletic department "culture" because they have a really good AD (the previous one was good, too) and they've had a good "batting average" for hiring coaches.

The lack of those things are the problems in UCLA's athletic department. They have a weak AD whose coaching hires are often questionable, and because the AD is weak, he couldn't stand up to angry boosters who demand quick firings even if he wanted to. They have pretty much everything else going for them, but those two issues have been holding them back in both football and men's hoops for as long as "Chianti Dan" has been the AD.

Kelly has a $9 million buyout clause. But it'd be worth it to get rid of him. He needs to produce this year, but even 5-7 seems upper limit.

Fans wanted Guerrero out for hiring Alford. After that the failure to land Bennett last year and having to settle on Mick Cronin is damning. Chip Kelly they actually outbid Florida, although I think the Gators dodged a bullet with that one.

Keeping this AD is on Gene Block, the Chancellor. This is the guy that can get rid of him. But they have been a pair since 2007. UCLA may have to wait for Bock to retire (there is hope, he is 71, he'll step down by Ruth Bader Ginsberg's age a mere 15 years from now).

This loss yesterday is starting Bruin nation to grumble. It might have started earlier, but he beat the inept Clay Helton and his loaded USC team (Helton is also a disaster)

I agree with Wedge that "Chianti Dan" is really the problem at UCLA. There is a bit of an overreaction to the Cincinnati loss. Chip Kelly has a quarterback problem. He needs a Darron Thomas or Marcus Mariota. Dorian Thompson-Robinson has struggled to complete forward passes and there is no experienced backup. So he needs to fix that problem.

They are not going to dump Kelly after this season. If Kelly struggles, "Chianti Dan" will lose his job. If you are going to fire your football coach, do you want Dan Guerrero selecting the next head coach? Also, there was a search committee that included Troy Aikman and mega donor Casey Wasserman and they pushed for Chip Kelly. Florida wanted Kelly as well. The guy is going to get at least three years at UCLA.

The Bruins got the right basketball coach. Their search was a train wreck, but they got it right in the end. They should have started and ended with Cronin. He has embraced UCLA and Southern California. The emphasis on defense will be a welcome change. He just landed a commitment from the top point guard in the nation, Daishen Nix, a five star recruit out of Las Vegas. I am glad they settled for Cronin.
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(09-01-2019 02:36 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 10:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What makes UCLA a worse culture than USC or Washington? Or other basketball powers like Kentucky & Indiana? Or other schools that chew up & spit out coaches like Illinois & Arkansas?

Washington has a much better athletic department "culture" because they have a really good AD (the previous one was good, too) and they've had a good "batting average" for hiring coaches.

The lack of those things are the problems in UCLA's athletic department. They have a weak AD whose coaching hires are often questionable, and because the AD is weak, he couldn't stand up to angry boosters who demand quick firings even if he wanted to. They have pretty much everything else going for them, but those two issues have been holding them back in both football and men's hoops for as long as "Chianti Dan" has been the AD.

I think it goes back before Gurerrero. To hear it from Terry Donahue, it sounded like even he ran adrift of leadership there. They qualify success differently there; four coaches before Kelly all get the ax a year in which they make a bowl?
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SoCalBobcat78,

I agree Cronin was probably the right guy for the situation now. But that doesn't make it sting that Bennett basically turned down nearly double his new salary at Virginia to stay (such were the rumors of a huge salary).

And I agree, Chip will get a 3rd year, even though it looks like he'll go about 4-8 or 5-7 -- if the team doesn't quit on him like the Eagles did his 3rd year or the 49ers his only year. But his seat will be hot. His hiring had enough fanfare to get the 19th rated recruiting class, which is better than UCLA had recently, but is not good enough to matter (they need top 10). But this year his class ranked 40th and next year's is projecting similar. So two straight years below P5 average. Kelly was known for the spreed and tempo with the world class speed and heavy NFL talent (SEC level) Phil Knight's machine provided (Kelly bailed for the NFL in part because he was under a three year show cause probation https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2013/04...appea.html ).

But everyone uses tempo now, and has defensive counters, and far more sophisticated spread offenses are out there. He doesn't have the talent or the recruiting skills, nor the staff which did much of the work. I think his time is done.

But I agree, this year he'll bomb, and he'll be on the hot seat in 2020. But Guerrero tenure is dependent on the Chancellor not the boosters. And Bock has shown no interest in stepping in. Hell Bock is the last strong supporter of Larry Scott and the P12 network. He is loyal to his friends in the champagne suite.
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Jon Wilner slams half the P12 coaches (Oregon, Arizona, USC, UCLA, Cal, OSU) as not earning their $26 million paychecks (ASU, Stanford, WSU, UW, Utah, CU he said did earn their checks). Frankly spot on. He of course treads softly on Kelly as he was an extremely strong proponent of Chip, saying he was going to turn the whole P12 around -- that's a hard one to walk back. But he's on Jon's the bad list now.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/01/w...-week-one/
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(09-02-2019 03:04 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Jon Wilner slams half the P12 coaches (Oregon, Arizona, USC, UCLA, Cal, OSU) as not earning their $26 million paychecks (ASU, Stanford, WSU, UW, Utah, CU he said did earn their checks). Frankly spot on. He of course treads softly on Kelly as he was an extremely strong proponent of Chip, saying he was going to turn the whole P12 around -- that's a hard one to walk back. But he's on Jon's the bad list now.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/01/w...-week-one/

I realize that Wilner has to write an article on Pac-12 football, but it is a little early to be focused on coaches earning their paychecks. Mario Cristobal should get the Dunce Coach of the Week Award. His clock management, his wasting of timeouts and the coaching staff not knowing timeout rules was ridiculous. An inexcusable loss.

USC loss their starting QB, won and Helton and his staff earned their pay. That said, I doubt if he is the USC head coach next season. The alumni wants Urban Meyer. They need to hire a real AD. Lynn Swann gave Helton an extension last year that was not warranted.

Cal should not be on the list. They won by two touchdowns. Arizona and Oregon State have some significant defensive issues. I don't know if those can be fixed this season. Hawaii should drop about 50 points on Oregon State this week.

Chip Kelly has to solve his quarterback problem. He needs better play from DTR or needs to bring in the backup, Austin Burton. The team is loaded with speed. His offensive system is designed for playing at a fast pace, speed, getting fast players in space and stretching defenses to the limit. But the quarterback has to deliver the football and he simply cannot cause unforced errors by dropping the football, twice in the red zone. The Bruins need to get their top rusher and top receiver healthy. It is still early, but they cannot lose to San Diego State in the Rose Bowl this week.
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^ DTR was bad but UCLA’s OL was also getting beat. On defense UCLA’s front wore down allowing IC’s big OL to push them around, Mike Warren’s legs were churning up yards late in the game.

Two years in a row UC was the better team.
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RE: How bad a coach is Chip Kelly?
Some new data points:

Ohio State 42 Cincinnati 0

and

[Image: ED5hbtaUwAEUrTg.jpg]

The next two weeks:

vs. Oklahoma
at Washington State

These could be blowouts, and the team might well quit on him. The first realistic shot to turn it around will be against two terrible schools in weeks 5 and 6. They have to win these two to avoid collapse

at Arizona
vs Oregon State

They have a week off, then they face a stretch of tough opponents playing for Bowl games or more:

at Stanford
Arizona State
Colorado
(bye)
at Utah

The Offensive genius has been putting a product on the field that is only offensive to the eye. Really boring football.
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Maybe Kelly gets a OC that recruits when fired from FAU. Look at the success with Frost in his fold.

UCF rocks
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(09-07-2019 07:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Some new data points:

Ohio State 42 Cincinnati 0

and

[Image: ED5hbtaUwAEUrTg.jpg]

The next two weeks:

vs. Oklahoma
at Washington State

These could be blowouts, and the team might well quit on him. The first realistic shot to turn it around will be against two terrible schools in weeks 5 and 6. They have to win these two to avoid collapse

at Arizona
vs Oregon State

They have a week off, then they face a stretch of tough opponents playing for Bowl games or more:

at Stanford
Arizona State
Colorado
(bye)
at Utah

The Offensive genius has been putting a product on the field that is only offensive to the eye. Really boring football.

Don't be surprised if UCLA gets destroyed in either of the next two games, that Chip is gone before week five. If he loses AGAIN in week 5, he's probably gone before week 6.
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Chip Kelly is a LAZY recruiter. whoever follows him inherits a cupboard as bare as you'll ever see at UCLA.
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(08-31-2019 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2019 03:39 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Idk, I might take Chip Kelly over Willie Taggart

Taggart's teams get better. FSU looked better today vs Boise than they did last year. They actually looked great for a full half, the team just forgot that there was a second half.

If I were an FSU fan I'd be cautiously optimistic going forward. No, you're not beating Clemson, but everyone else is fair game.

That depends on how long FSU is willing to wait. Didn't it take 4 years for USF to get there with Taggert? And since it is not a guarantee that will happen again, FSU really needs to do their homework or take a chance to be irrelevant for who knows how long. They are not a so-called blue blood with their history.
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