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RE: Suttles suiing U of M
It probably has nothing to do with Bowen-- but with the Title IX coordinator, committee members, and the administration. This stuff happens when you make decisions before due process.
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Are you kidding me?

This has everything to do with Bowen.

Just like every other thread here
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There was no winning this for the University. You have to take action by removing him or no action (at least what would portrayed as no action) by suspending him from team activities indefinitely until a court decision. A true damned if you do and damned if you do not...
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(08-08-2019 10:34 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.

YES AND NO to your two questions but the issue is whether Suttles suffered financial and/or reputation damages due to the rush to judgement. It’s readily apparent that he did. Has to have incurred a loss or damaged. Bowen catered to PC crowd on this one. Probably with pressure from Rudd.

Do not see how he lost financially by the school's action.

The accusation would have kept him out of the last NFL draft even if the school did not suspend him. As he would not have been allowed to attend any of the combines.

Now that the case is not going to be pursued he will not know if he was damaged until the next draft.
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(08-08-2019 12:19 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

So nowadays the lawyers decide guilt?

Back in my day it was a judge or jury. But as a baby boomer I’m probably not smart enough to know.

Nope, as a baby boomer you are all that's wrong in this country, haven't you heard??
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Imagine that.

Some kid suing the university over false sexual assault allegations and boomers make it about boomers being persecuted.
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You persecute yourselves and it's pathetic.
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(08-08-2019 02:16 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 12:19 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

So nowadays the lawyers decide guilt?

Back in my day it was a judge or jury. But as a baby boomer I’m probably not smart enough to know.

Nope, as a baby boomer you are all that's wrong in this country, haven't you heard??

I heard it here first
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(08-08-2019 02:58 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Imagine that.

Some kid suing the university over false sexual assault allegations and boomers make it about boomers being persecuted.

Your sarcasm meter be broke
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(08-08-2019 12:57 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Comparing Suttles to Wade is asinine at best.

If you are an NCAA athlete and you have sexual assault charges, boom. You get the boot for charges far less severe too.

HC maybe facing NCAA allegations, yeah dude, you can roll until sh*t proves otherwise.

Not a single AD would treat Suttles differently.

Jameis Winston? Seems as though the FSU AD handled things differently. Not picking a side, just saying not all ADs drop the hammer.
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Tallahassee PD never charged Winston.
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(08-08-2019 12:19 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

So nowadays the lawyers decide guilt?

Back in my day it was a judge or jury. But as a baby boomer I’m probably not smart enough to know.

You should really show me your semantics police badge before making these kinds of statements - best to identify yourself first.
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Last I checked, judges were lawyers too.
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Ernest is gonna win this case as he should,
Word on the street, U TALKIN BIG MONEY, he's coming at them about damaging a pro career
Will Suttle out of court
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with the decision to drop charges...what's to keep him from playing football elsewhere?
As his name has been 'cleared' of any wrong doing...wouldn't someone else give him a chance?
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(08-08-2019 10:34 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.

YES AND NO to your two questions but the issue is whether Suttles suffered financial and/or reputation damages due to the rush to judgement. It’s readily apparent that he did. Has to have incurred a loss or damaged. Bowen catered to PC crowd on this one. Probably with pressure from Rudd.

You continue to make baseless accusations against Bowen and Rudd. Why don't you stfu until you know what you are talking about.
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(08-08-2019 06:00 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  with the decision to drop charges...what's to keep him from playing football elsewhere?
As his name has been 'cleared' of any wrong doing...wouldn't someone else give him a chance?


His name hasn’t been cleared... They still have the investigation open, which means he isn’t yet even able to appeal.
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(08-08-2019 06:50 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 10:34 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.

YES AND NO to your two questions but the issue is whether Suttles suffered financial and/or reputation damages due to the rush to judgement. It’s readily apparent that he did. Has to have incurred a loss or damaged. Bowen catered to PC crowd on this one. Probably with pressure from Rudd.

You continue to make baseless accusations against Bowen and Rudd. Why don't you stfu until you know what you are talking about.

Baseless accusations? Who the hell does your ignorant ass think made the decision to suspend Suttles without ANY Hard proof? You are new at this?
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(08-08-2019 03:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 12:57 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Comparing Suttles to Wade is asinine at best.

If you are an NCAA athlete and you have sexual assault charges, boom. You get the boot for charges far less severe too.

HC maybe facing NCAA allegations, yeah dude, you can roll until sh*t proves otherwise.

Not a single AD would treat Suttles differently.

Jameis Winston? Seems as though the FSU AD handled things differently. Not picking a side, just saying not all ADs drop the hammer.

Great example and had it been DeAngelo Williams, he wouldn’t have been suspended.
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(08-08-2019 02:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 10:34 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.

YES AND NO to your two questions but the issue is whether Suttles suffered financial and/or reputation damages due to the rush to judgement. It’s readily apparent that he did. Has to have incurred a loss or damaged. Bowen catered to PC crowd on this one. Probably with pressure from Rudd.

Do not see how he lost financially by the school's action.

The accusation would have kept him out of the last NFL draft even if the school did not suspend him. As he would not have been allowed to attend any of the combines.

Now that the case is not going to be pursued he will not know if he was damaged until the next draft.

The accusation would not have kept him out of the combine. You have a loss of reputation at a minimum and very like a loss of compensation. Who outside of the NFL would have hired him with Memphis admin basically rubber stamping the accusation?

That s*** has to stop. I referenced the 20-30 year old accusations ruining innocent men’s lives. It’s so ludicrous that the highest levels of management has accepted this practice of guilty before proven innocent.

This practice is a very real shift in upholding the principles of democracy and for those who say that just because other ADs (actually school presidents get involved in these matters) have done it, its okay. IT’S NOT OK.
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