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Quote:Ernest Suttles played in home games for the U of M until October 2017, when the university dismissed him from the football team before a game against Navy.

I find that phrasing very weird. He only played in HOME games? Is that supposed to mean something?
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Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.
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Comparing Suttles to Wade is asinine at best.

If you are an NCAA athlete and you have sexual assault charges, boom. You get the boot for charges far less severe too.

HC maybe facing NCAA allegations, yeah dude, you can roll until sh*t proves otherwise.

Not a single AD would treat Suttles differently.
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(08-07-2019 11:23 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.

I despise Bowen but in this case the schools hands were tied. True or not the school had to dismiss him from team. Too much political pressure from the Me Too movement to not suspend him.

His case is weak as he has not lost opportunity due ot the schools actions.

NFL would ban him from combines as long as he was being investigated. So he would have not been part of this years draft anyway.

He was still able to finish his degree online.

Still wondering how he can file suit under Title IX.
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Yep...and when a prominent Auburn booster gives a young coed a duffel bag full of cash to bring sexual harassment/assault charges against Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama will have no choice but to dismiss him from the team.

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(08-07-2019 11:23 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.

A new standard of stupid. Comparing Wade and Suttles is idiotic. Common sense says that you don't play him until things get settled legally.
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(08-08-2019 06:56 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Yep...and when a prominent Auburn booster gives a young coed a duffel bag full of cash to bring sexual harassment/assault charges against Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama will have no choice but to dismiss him from the team.

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(08-07-2019 11:23 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.

lol and clueless?
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good grief and clueless?
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Yeah, this won't get far. Players get kicked off the team for far less. And many of the players resurface at other colleges. To say the removal impeded his future is a hard one to prove. Is he also filing suit against the city, DA, and the girl? I mean, if you're looking for root cause of his suffering...
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(08-08-2019 01:04 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 11:23 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.

I despise Bowen but in this case the schools hands were tied. True or not the school had to dismiss him from team. Too much political pressure from the Me Too movement to not suspend him.

His case is weak as he has not lost opportunity due ot the schools actions.

NFL would ban him from combines as long as he was being investigated. So he would have not been part of this years draft anyway.

He was still able to finish his degree online.

Still wondering how he can file suit under Title IX.

The was a recent Federal District Court ruling that appears to allow suits to be filed against colleges who don't afford due process for expulsions that arise from Title IX violations.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/app...06-28.html

And 6th Circuit (the one Tennessee is in) did the same: (require a student accused/suspended getting the opportunity to cross examine the witness):
http://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions...00p-06.pdf

Schools have been using Title IX as the method by which many on-campus harrasment/assault cases are handled.
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FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.
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(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

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Guilty until proven innocent.

Maybe they should be sued.
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Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.
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(08-08-2019 09:11 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

Except the lawyers.04-cheers

That's true - the US has more lawyers, because we have more lawyers, because we have more lawyers.
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(08-08-2019 09:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Obviously, this isn't just a "right or wrong" issue--it deals with possible constitutional issues.

Is playing football a constitutional right (or loss thereof) or even is being expelled from school without due process a violation? Does a person have a right (property interest) in attending a university?

Then it has to, under Title IX, show some sort of gender/racial bias being involved.

It appears he is alleging racial bias because he says a white kid in an earlier rape event was treated differently.

Interesting topics.

YES AND NO to your two questions but the issue is whether Suttles suffered financial and/or reputation damages due to the rush to judgement. It’s readily apparent that he did. Has to have incurred a loss or damaged. Bowen catered to PC crowd on this one. Probably with pressure from Rudd.
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(08-08-2019 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 01:04 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 11:23 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  Another monumental screw up by Bowen. Amazing he kept his job as long as he did. Will Wade is still coaching and recruiting at LSU because his lawyers threatened to sue after he was suspended by AD after “strong ass offer” tape among several other things. But they did realize he was innocent until proven guilty and reinstated unlike the Tigers treatment of Suttles who should have been allowed to play until proven guilty despite the political correctness cries from the people who are helping those take down prominent men for pats on the ass 30 years ago.

I despise Bowen but in this case the schools hands were tied. True or not the school had to dismiss him from team. Too much political pressure from the Me Too movement to not suspend him.

His case is weak as he has not lost opportunity due ot the schools actions.

NFL would ban him from combines as long as he was being investigated. So he would have not been part of this years draft anyway.

He was still able to finish his degree online.

Still wondering how he can file suit under Title IX.

The was a recent Federal District Court ruling that appears to allow suits to be filed against colleges who don't afford due process for expulsions that arise from Title IX violations.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/app...06-28.html

And 6th Circuit (the one Tennessee is in) did the same: (require a student accused/suspended getting the opportunity to cross examine the witness):
http://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions...00p-06.pdf

Schools have been using Title IX as the method by which many on-campus harrasment/assault cases are handled.

But if plaintiff did NOT incur loss/damages he has no right to compensation (I don’t think that’s the case here).
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(08-08-2019 08:36 AM)tcountytigerfan Wrote:  FWIW, in the weeks prior to his arrest, there were protest on campus about how the school had dealt with other sexual assault allegations. The school was stuck between a rock and a hard place - remove him from the team without knowing all the facts, or face a "this is why we're protesting" moment (with probable national coverage - certainly would at least be brought up during game broadcasts) by allowing him to remain on the team. I'll let the lawyers figure out if any wrong was done. This seems to be one of those situations where everyone losses.

So nowadays the lawyers decide guilt?

Back in my day it was a judge or jury. But as a baby boomer I’m probably not smart enough to know.
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I can see both sides. The school had to respond to a rape accusation. I agree with Suttles, this action messed up his future.

The school should have assumed Innocent Before Guilty, and, kept him on scholarship and on the team, but, on probation until the case was decided, and, then, release him if he is found guilty.
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