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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-22-2019 08:57 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  It looks like you and AOC agree on one part of the GND :)

And what part would that be?
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(07-22-2019 09:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 08:57 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  It looks like you and AOC agree on one part of the GND :)

And what part would that be?

Green trains.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-22-2019 10:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 09:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 08:57 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  It looks like you and AOC agree on one part of the GND :)
And what part would that be?
Green trains.

OK, but I've been for that long before the GND was even thought about.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
I dunno, seems like a nice plaque. If all the scientists are wrong and climate change driven by human activity turns out to be really nice for everyone, y'all can visit it and laugh about how badly the libs got owned.
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(07-21-2019 05:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Plaque says we know what needs to be done.

What needs to be done?

Nobody has answered this yet,
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(07-22-2019 04:38 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  I dunno, seems like a nice plaque. If all the scientists are wrong and climate change driven by human activity turns out to be really nice for everyone, y'all can visit it and laugh about how badly the libs got owned.

Lolz.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-22-2019 04:38 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  I dunno, seems like a nice plaque. If all the scientists are wrong and climate change driven by human activity turns out to be really nice for everyone, y'all can visit it and laugh about how badly the libs got owned.

I always find it amusing when people think that all the issues of climate change are known and set in stone. To the extent of, say, the theory of gravity. Some apparently think that I can surmise from above.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-22-2019 06:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-22-2019 04:38 PM)Fountains of Wayne Graham Wrote:  I dunno, seems like a nice plaque. If all the scientists are wrong and climate change driven by human activity turns out to be really nice for everyone, y'all can visit it and laugh about how badly the libs got owned.

I always find it amusing when people think that all the issues of climate change are known and set in stone. To the extent of, say, the theory of gravity. Some apparently think that I can surmise from above.


Not the first time some people have believed that all knowledge has been discovered.
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Lol that higher temps lead to more melanoma (tied to UV not red spectrum radiance). If anything, warmer temps would drive people indoors and to higher lattitudes.

I still contend warmer is better, but more carbon may be bad. Scant evidence that temp has any correlation to weather extremes; if anything, more convection will lead to more water on land which would attenuate temperature swings. Still no idea if warmer leads to more convection, we will have to collect measurements for a few more thousand years.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-22-2019 05:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-21-2019 05:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Plaque says we know what needs to be done.

What needs to be done?

Nobody has answered this yet,

Still nothing.
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(07-27-2019 07:47 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Lol that higher temps lead to more melanoma (tied to UV not red spectrum radiance). If anything, warmer temps would drive people indoors and to higher lattitudes.

I still contend warmer is better, but more carbon may be bad. Scant evidence that temp has any correlation to weather extremes; if anything, more convection will lead to more water on land which would attenuate temperature swings. Still no idea if warmer leads to more convection, we will have to collect measurements for a few more thousand years.

I wonder how more water will move inland. Perhaps through more severe storms?
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(07-28-2019 12:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-27-2019 07:47 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Lol that higher temps lead to more melanoma (tied to UV not red spectrum radiance). If anything, warmer temps would drive people indoors and to higher lattitudes.

I still contend warmer is better, but more carbon may be bad. Scant evidence that temp has any correlation to weather extremes; if anything, more convection will lead to more water on land which would attenuate temperature swings. Still no idea if warmer leads to more convection, we will have to collect measurements for a few more thousand years.

I wonder how more water will move inland. Perhaps through more severe storms?

Warmer temps == more gaseous H20 in the atmosphere as a whole.

More storms, more rain. More rain == more water on land. Means more heat transfer from ground to water. Which means less radiative energy available from terrestrial sources. And, CO2 is tuned to the wavelengths of terrestrial re-radiated heat.

Nice negative feedback, along with the fact that the 'half life' of water vapor as a positive driver is about 1/1000 that of CO2.
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RE: Rice researchers planning on installing plaque for lost Icelandic glacier
(07-27-2019 07:47 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Lol that higher temps lead to more melanoma (tied to UV not red spectrum radiance). If anything, warmer temps would drive people indoors and to higher lattitudes.

I still contend warmer is better, but more carbon may be bad. Scant evidence that temp has any correlation to weather extremes; if anything, more convection will lead to more water on land which would attenuate temperature swings. Still no idea if warmer leads to more convection, we will have to collect measurements for a few more thousand years.

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In response to driving people inside, a lot of people work outdoors.
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