(07-15-2019 03:58 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:57 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  I know UConn has played Syracuse in non-conference games the last few seasons, but Syracuse is in the ACC so going to the Big East does not change anything with regard to Syracuse.

Yes, I only included them to illustrate that UConn still cares about those regional rivalries. Like I said they've also been playing Nova and just signed a deal with Providence prior to the move to the Big East. You seemed to be implying that UConn hasn't behaved in a way that showed they cared about playing those teams. On the contrary, they've actively been trying to schedule northeast big east teams for years and have made public statements as such. They've also apparently even made attempts to come back to the big east before this and been turned down according to Geno Auriemma and Dave Benedict. They definitely haven't stopped caring about those games.

There is a huge difference in cache playing Seton Hall and Providence to Syracuse and Villanova.

(07-15-2019 04:07 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  There is a huge difference in cache playing Seton Hall and Providence to Syracuse and Villanova.

I'm not disputing that. I don't understand your point. UConn has been trying to schedule all of them. Hell they've been trying to rejoin the entire league

(07-15-2019 03:03 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I truly appreciate everybody’s input and viewpoint. After carefully reading all comments, one thing is crystal clear: I’m right and anybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

Pin this.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if UConn only cares about basketball, then it's a good move. Maybe not financially, but for fans and travel and playing the BE tourney in MSG.

But if they give a crap about football (for now, admin says yes, but the fan base says a big fat no), then it's the worst move imaginable.

My take is they did what they wanted to do. Great. Bye.

Just don't blame the AAC for UConn's crap situation. They did it to themselves with the worst football team in the AAC, and arguably in FBS, and a mediocre performance in basketball since their miraculous natty in 2014. Oh, and mismanagement of the budget to the tune of a $40M annual deficit.

Spin that however makes you happy.

As for the fate of everybody else, as someone mentioned earlier, you could say the same for half the P5, and for that matter, only a handful of athletic programs are profitable anywhere, even with the great wealth of the P5.

College sports has always been a loss leader, and a burden on students, taxpayers and boosters. Nothing is likely going to substantially change, in that regard. It is used much like advertising, as a lure for new students, and as a rallying point for alumni donations.

(07-15-2019 03:58 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:57 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  I know UConn has played Syracuse in non-conference games the last few seasons, but Syracuse is in the ACC so going to the Big East does not change anything with regard to Syracuse.

Yes, I only included them to illustrate that UConn still cares about those regional rivalries. Like I said they've also been playing Nova and just signed a deal with Providence prior to the move to the Big East. You seemed to be implying that UConn hasn't behaved in a way that showed they cared about playing those teams. On the contrary, they've actively been trying to schedule northeast big east teams for years and have made public statements as such. They've also apparently even made attempts to come back to the big east before this and been turned down according to Geno Auriemma and Dave Benedict. They definitely haven't stopped caring about those games.

1) do you have links to any of these quotes by geno or david benedict...all the quotes ive seen is geno has been pro big east not that they tried to join..provide proof

2) dont kid yourselve if uconn wanted a home and home with any big east they would have gotten it with ease ..dont make it seem like theyve been "trying" insinuating they couldn't get it

(07-15-2019 04:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  1) do you have links to any of these quotes by geno or david benedict...all the quotes ive seen is geno has been pro big east not that they tried to join..provide proof

2) dont kid yourselve if uconn wanted a home and home with any big east they would have gotten it with ease ..dont make it seem like theyve been "trying" insiin nuating they couldn't get it

I only meant trying in the sense of trying to work out home and homes, not implying that they wouldn't be able to schedule them. Obviously, they had already scheduled providence and villanova successfully.

https://twitter.com/SXMCollege/status/11...6036008961

here's the clip with Geno. benedict commented on it in the press conference at MSG. I'll post it when i find it.

(07-15-2019 02:50 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 12:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  the weird thing is that the big east is ranked the 6th best basketball league and the aac is ranked the 7th (over the last 5 years)

I don't know what ranking you're referencing, but by Kenpom the Big East has finished an average of 3.5 among conferences since realignment in 2013 in men's basketball. If you're strictly referring to last year, we finished 5th above the Pac-12 and American.

The reason Pesik hasn't responded is because he made up those numbers. He makes up a lot of stuff lol.

(07-15-2019 05:10 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:50 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 12:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  the weird thing is that the big east is ranked the 6th best basketball league and the aac is ranked the 7th (over the last 5 years)

I don't know what ranking you're referencing, but by Kenpom the Big East has finished an average of 3.5 among conferences since realignment in 2013 in men's basketball. If you're strictly referring to last year, we finished 5th above the Pac-12 and American.

The reason Pesik hasn't responded is because he made up those numbers. He makes up a lot of stuff lol.

the Big East has finished higher than the AAC every year since the AAC started I believe.

Its a better conference top to bottom. Better rankings, better brands, etc.

Cincy needs to join the Big East and leave their football in the AAC.

(07-15-2019 05:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 05:10 PM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:50 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 12:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  the weird thing is that the big east is ranked the 6th best basketball league and the aac is ranked the 7th (over the last 5 years)

I don't know what ranking you're referencing, but by Kenpom the Big East has finished an average of 3.5 among conferences since realignment in 2013 in men's basketball. If you're strictly referring to last year, we finished 5th above the Pac-12 and American.

The reason Pesik hasn't responded is because he made up those numbers. He makes up a lot of stuff lol.

the Big East has finished higher than the AAC every year since the AAC started I believe.

Its a better conference top to bottom. Better rankings, better brands, etc.

USFFan

^lol

nice

+2

(07-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Cincy needs to join the Big East and leave their football in the AAC.

USFFan

(07-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Cincy needs to join the Big East and leave their football in the AAC.

Absolutely agree

(07-15-2019 05:18 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Cincy needs to join the Big East and leave their football in the AAC.

USFFan

I talked to Mike today. He said that would be doable if I decide to pull the trigger.

(07-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Cincy needs to join the Big East and leave their football in the AAC.

After UCF bolts for the Big 12 in 2025. .

(07-15-2019 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see a lot of people mocking UCONN and saying how dumb the move is, but after looking at everything, here is my take:

It was a great move for UCONN. They get to focus on basketball in the Big East, which is a better conference top to bottom with more brand power than the AAC.

Sure their football is hosed, but it was already hosed. What they did was take it out back and put a bullet in it instead of letting it die a long slow painful death, which is what EVERY G5 team is doing right now, but don't know it.

The mega subsidies we all are using to keep football afloat in the new P5 run world is not sustainable long term. A few schools in the group will probably get promoted to the P5 down the road, the rest won't. UCONN decided they were not going to make that cut and acted quickly. It was bold move but probably will pay off for them in the long run. When most of us in five or eight years are starting to slash football because state's pass legislation limiting subsides that can be spent on athletics, all we will have left is a mid-major basketball conference. Meanwhile, UCONN will be enjoying the Big East and power status.


Last laugh will be on most of you guys who, right now, are mocking UCONN for lacking vision in football. Really, they are the one's with vision.

Discuss...

THE FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF

Denial - check

Anger - check

Bargaining - check

Depression - check

Acceptance - aaaand check!

(07-15-2019 05:52 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see a lot of people mocking UCONN and saying how dumb the move is, but after looking at everything, here is my take:

It was a great move for UCONN. They get to focus on basketball in the Big East, which is a better conference top to bottom with more brand power than the AAC.

Sure their football is hosed, but it was already hosed. What they did was take it out back and put a bullet in it instead of letting it die a long slow painful death, which is what EVERY G5 team is doing right now, but don't know it.

The mega subsidies we all are using to keep football afloat in the new P5 run world is not sustainable long term. A few schools in the group will probably get promoted to the P5 down the road, the rest won't. UCONN decided they were not going to make that cut and acted quickly. It was bold move but probably will pay off for them in the long run. When most of us in five or eight years are starting to slash football because state's pass legislation limiting subsides that can be spent on athletics, all we will have left is a mid-major basketball conference. Meanwhile, UCONN will be enjoying the Big East and power status.


Last laugh will be on most of you guys who, right now, are mocking UCONN for lacking vision in football. Really, they are the one's with vision.

Discuss...

THE FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF

Denial - check

Anger - check

Bargaining - check

Depression - check

Acceptance - aaaand check!

yup

(07-15-2019 09:25 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  The Big East is a slightly better basketball conference that includes 5 historic rivals for UConn. They also get to play their conference tournament at MSG again. If those rivalries mattered so much to UConn then why weren't they all on their schedule all these years they have been in the American? Football really never mattered to UConn and they have no history in the sports, it was simply a means for them to try to stay with Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, and West Virginia so I understand that leaving this conference and subsequently hurting their football team is really no loss for them. I don't even have a problem with them wanting to play the aforementioned historic rivals. Ever since the dissolution of the Southwest Conference I have enjoyed when SMU plays Houston, Rice, and TCU. Given the choice and knowing they are not Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor and Arkansas it would have been great to be in the same conference as those 3 at the same time. My issue is the fact that UConn and its fanbase have blamed the American for its failures in men's basketball. I also take issue with UConn trashing this conference. While the American is not quite as good as the Big East in men's basketball it is still a worthy discussion. The Big East is not far ahead of the American and with the ascension of Houston and Memphis along with improvements from USF, ECU, and Tulane this league may actually pull ahead soon. I understand that this group is not as cohesive as the Big East and if UConn fans simply stated that they are happy to be going home while recognizing that it is not the same home then I don't think many if any would take any issue with the departure. I think UConn leaving may very well be a win-win situation.

Yup. I remember being supremely disappointed in 1993 that the remaining members made no attempt to rebuild the SWC around what was left. I was even more disappointed when we passed on the opportunity to move with the other 3 SWC refugees to the WAC. I was not a fan of taking up with a group of largely distant basketball centric eastern schools who's football wasnt very high profile. So, I am very sympathetic to the viewpoint of many UConn fans about the AAC. There was nothing really wrong with the original CUSA---I was just not familiar wth the schools (even less so than the WAC) and hated that there was not a single ex-SWC rival in it. I think thats pretty much how UConn fans have felt for the last 5 years.

(07-15-2019 02:57 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:45 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:25 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  The Big East is a slightly better basketball conference that includes 5 historic rivals for UConn. They also get to play their conference tournament at MSG again. If those rivalries mattered so much to UConn then why weren't they all on their schedule all these years they have been in the American?

I may be unwelcome here, but I enjoy reading all the perspectives. One note, UConn has been playing old northeast big east schools in the non-conference. They have a series with Villanova and were starting one with providence as well. They've also maintained a series with Syracuse, etc. I don't have the quote, but I can remember their AD (or maybe it was the president) saying they wanted to play as many of the Old Big East schools as possible. Turns out they were deathly serious

I know UConn has played Syracuse in non-conference games the last few seasons, but Syracuse is in the ACC so going to the Big East does not change anything with regard to Syracuse.

Cuse isn't playing UConn this year. The 20 game ACC schedule killed it.

(07-15-2019 07:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:57 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:45 PM)scoscox Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:25 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  The Big East is a slightly better basketball conference that includes 5 historic rivals for UConn. They also get to play their conference tournament at MSG again. If those rivalries mattered so much to UConn then why weren't they all on their schedule all these years they have been in the American?

I may be unwelcome here, but I enjoy reading all the perspectives. One note, UConn has been playing old northeast big east schools in the non-conference. They have a series with Villanova and were starting one with providence as well. They've also maintained a series with Syracuse, etc. I don't have the quote, but I can remember their AD (or maybe it was the president) saying they wanted to play as many of the Old Big East schools as possible. Turns out they were deathly serious

I know UConn has played Syracuse in non-conference games the last few seasons, but Syracuse is in the ACC so going to the Big East does not change anything with regard to Syracuse.

Cuse isn't playing UConn this year. The 20 game ACC schedule killed it.

Yea, it sounds like that series is going away for the medium-term or more. Getting between 4 and 6 games of Nova/Georgetown every year becomes even more important given that.

(07-15-2019 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see a lot of people mocking UCONN and saying how dumb the move is, but after looking at everything, here is my take:

It was a great move for UCONN. They get to focus on basketball in the Big East, which is a better conference top to bottom with more brand power than the AAC.

Sure their football is hosed, but it was already hosed. What they did was take it out back and put a bullet in it instead of letting it die a long slow painful death, which is what EVERY G5 team is doing right now, but don't know it.

The mega subsidies we all are using to keep football afloat in the new P5 run world is not sustainable long term. A few schools in the group will probably get promoted to the P5 down the road, the rest won't. UCONN decided they were not going to make that cut and acted quickly. It was bold move but probably will pay off for them in the long run. When most of us in five or eight years are starting to slash football because state's pass legislation limiting subsides that can be spent on athletics, all we will have left is a mid-major basketball conference. Meanwhile, UCONN will be enjoying the Big East and power status.


Last laugh will be on most of you guys who, right now, are mocking UCONN for lacking vision in football. Really, they are the one's with vision.

Discuss...

Throw out Cincy, clearly they dont respect the conference...