(07-11-2019 10:43 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Why is JMU's athletic budget so much higher than many of the G5 programs? JMU chooses to fully fund and support our non-revenue sports. Most low level G5s dont. This means we not only have the full alotment of scholarships, we have the support system and faciliites to go along. the results speak for themselves.

Wow

So JMU spends roughly $20m more than other G5 programs to support non revenue sports?

And that is a good use of resources?

For the record - JMU is at the NCAA minimum number of D1 programs allowed for D1 classification (6 men's and 11 woman's teams)

UMASS supports 640 Varsity athletes with 21 teams - including Hockey and Lacrosse and rowing - J

JMU supports 470 varsity athletes with 17 teams. No men's lacrosse, no wresting, no men's track. no men's swimming.

I think the alumni outside of the drivable area is a growing factor, especially as far as streaming TV goes. The Dukes fans/grads in Texas may not have access to some of the regional networks up here, but they have online options like Madizone, Facebook, and FloSports starting next year. I don't have the data, but I'm sure if we look back at the numbers from Madizone and CAA.tv apps, we'll see some decent streaming numbers. Combine that with the number of butts in seats, and the numbers from local channels, and we can expand beyond our TV market numbers.

Of course, the same can be true of any other school. But blindly looking at TV markets is a facile argument.

(07-11-2019 02:09 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:43 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Why is JMU's athletic budget so much higher than many of the G5 programs? JMU chooses to fully fund and support our non-revenue sports. Most low level G5s dont. This means we not only have the full alotment of scholarships, we have the support system and faciliites to go along. the results speak for themselves.

Wow

So JMU spends roughly $20m more than other G5 programs to support non revenue sports?

And that is a good use of resources?

For the record - JMU is at the NCAA minimum number of D1 programs allowed for D1 classification (6 men's and 11 woman's teams)

UMASS supports 640 Varsity athletes with 21 teams - including Hockey and Lacrosse and rowing - J

JMU supports 470 varsity athletes with 17 teams. No men's lacrosse, no wresting, no men's track. no men's swimming.

And all our sports are fully funded. Most UMass sports are not.

(07-10-2019 01:17 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Charlotte athletic budget in $29m

Game Guarantees to Charlotte

Tennessee $1mm (2018)
Clemson $1mm (2019)
Tennessee $1.3mm (2020)
Illinois $1.2mm (2021)
South Carolina $1.4mm (2022)

Home and Home Games with Maryland, Duke and UNC

How many wins will Charlotte net from those games? How many will still be competitive in the second half? Yeah I really envy their program.

(07-11-2019 02:09 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:43 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Why is JMU's athletic budget so much higher than many of the G5 programs? JMU chooses to fully fund and support our non-revenue sports. Most low level G5s dont. This means we not only have the full alotment of scholarships, we have the support system and faciliites to go along. the results speak for themselves.

Wow

So JMU spends roughly $20m more than other G5 programs to support non revenue sports?

And that is a good use of resources?

For the record - JMU is at the NCAA minimum number of D1 programs allowed for D1 classification (6 men's and 11 woman's teams)

UMASS supports 640 Varsity athletes with 21 teams - including Hockey and Lacrosse and rowing - J

JMU supports 470 varsity athletes with 17 teams. No men's lacrosse, no wresting, no men's track. no men's swimming.

Jmu embodies Title IX in its purest form- it’s something to be proud of and frankly I think it’s good business as well.

(07-11-2019 02:09 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:43 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Why is JMU's athletic budget so much higher than many of the G5 programs? JMU chooses to fully fund and support our non-revenue sports. Most low level G5s dont. This means we not only have the full alotment of scholarships, we have the support system and faciliites to go along. the results speak for themselves.

Wow

So JMU spends roughly $20m more than other G5 programs to support non revenue sports?

And that is a good use of resources?

what is the value of a Woman's lax championship, a womans hoops team to the WNIT final 4, a mens soccer final 8 and a womans softball team that is nationally ranked? even ignoring the quaint notion of supporting and advancing our our non revenue student athletes, the national media exposure and branding we received has to be worth something. i had many dads in the nova area tell me they watched our lax championship and softball success with their daughters. you think that might help attract top student applications down the road.

is umass's investment in FBS football at the expense of non revenue sports, resulting in an endless string of losing seasons and no fan interest a good use of resources?

how about UNCC, Coastal, and on and on.

this is too easy....

maybe i am ignoring value of the impact on genitals

It is really cute that JMU adores the WNIT and various woman's programs, As the only remaining founding member of the CAA this makes perfect sense,

Now - This is what the AAC cares about:

1 - Football
2 - Football
3 - Football
4 - Men's Basketball
5 - Men's Basketball

(07-11-2019 07:40 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  It is really cute that JMU adores the WNIT and various woman's programs, As the only remaining founding member of the CAA this makes perfect sense,

Now - This is what the AAC cares about:

1 - Football
2 - Football
3 - Football
4 - Men's Basketball
5 - Men's Basketball

The good news is we are very strong on 1 2 and 3 Dukeman2. Certainly a better football program than your pals in Norfolk or Charlotte. Not even in our league bro. If the AAC wants to guarantee themselves another mid sized market and bottom feeder football team they should add Odu or Charlotte. Hey at least Tulane is a long time member and has a good academic reputation to offset their bad 100+ football program. Odu and Charlotte don’t have that going for them. Heck BYU hasn’t even been good in football in a while- nice name but at a disadvantage recruiting wise same with Army and their 230 lb linemen.

Dukeman is a gross chauvinist.

(07-11-2019 08:05 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:40 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  It is really cute that JMU adores the WNIT and various woman's programs, As the only remaining founding member of the CAA this makes perfect sense,

Now - This is what the AAC cares about:

1 - Football
2 - Football
3 - Football
4 - Men's Basketball
5 - Men's Basketball

The good news is we are very strong on 1 2 and 3 Dukeman2. Certainly a better football program than your pals in Norfolk or Charlotte. Not even in our league bro. If the AAC wants to guarantee themselves another mid sized market and bottom feeder football team they should add Odu or Charlotte. Hey at least Tulane is a long time member and has a good academic reputation to offset their bad 100+ football program. Odu and Charlotte don’t have that going for them. Heck BYU hasn’t even been good in football in a while- nice name but at a disadvantage recruiting wise same with Army and their 230 lb linemen.

You guys have short memories. The AAC just took the best part of your football program. And if Cignetti works out they’ll do it again. I hope you all are keeping our CAA Football Championship trophy polished.

(07-11-2019 05:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

FIU attendance vs P5 Indiana

FIU is a joke and I hate being in a conference with them. Miami is 100% a Pro Sports city. They don't even support The U like they should.

Marshall fans sometimes outnumber the FIU fans down there. It's truly sad.

I wonder why FIU and FAU have football teams?

(07-11-2019 08:58 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  So a couple of Marshall fans have been active on this thread and others on our boards related to Jmu going FBS. I appreciate the initial kind words about respect for our program. I respect the heck out of Marshall the same with App State. They give me confidence about JMUs success at the next level- there are similarities between the 3 schools and if the AAC passes on Jmu I hope one of those two schools gets the nod. They are very solid football programs and someday in the future it would be great to be in the same league because I think the rivalries are natural and would be awesome for fans.

That said, I’m curious about the Marshall posters on the Jmu board. I enjoy the back and forth and their perspective but is it driven by respect for our program or concern for your league CUSA that when you leave you want to ensure your replacement is good? Do you aspire to be in the same league as us?

To me it seems like the reason you are here is that you may be curious and concerned about Jmu. You’ve observed the gradual media coverage that Jmu has been getting as a replacement for UConn in the AAC. You’ve seen the special it factor that Jmu has and was on Display during Espn gamedays. You’re envious of us maybe? There is something special about Jmu- it’s the Marshall Of twenty years ago. It has Boise or UCF like momentum. You’re attracted to Jmu the same way AAC commissioner Mike Aresco and the Ads and presidents of the AAC member schools are. You see our potential and for that I thank you for your contributions and perspective. All this talk of accounting tactics distracts from what most see- on the field and off the field JMU is a natural fit for the AAC.

No I am not envious of you guys the least bit. You literally have a .0000000001% change of getting the AAC invite. Sorry but thats just the truth.

What you guys are doing right now. Been there, done that, moved on to bigger and better things just like JMU should do.

I can't speak for other Marshall fans but I come here because I hope to one day see a new East Coast Conference formed with schools that have actual fan bases. Markets be damned. Out of all the FCS schools left in the East, the only two who are capable of moving up would be JMU and Delaware.

I like JMU and respect your program. If a new conference is formed I would hope JMU was invited and accepted the invite. I think a conference with Marshall, App State, Ga Southern, JMU, would be a solid core to build around.

I also come here for the good discussion. I guess I'm still just confused as to how you guys have sat around and let schools like Coastal Carolina and Ga State pass you by in terms of them moving up to FBS.

Ask any Marshall, App St, or Ga Southern fan if we want to drop back down to FCS. The overwhelming answer from all 3 fan bases would be HECK NO!

As I said in a previous post, I would much rather finish the season ranked in the Top 25 of FBS as opposed to winning another FCS National Championship.

Off the top of my head we have hosted the following teams since moving up, some of them multiple times: Purdue, Louisville, WVU, Kansas State, Pitt, NC State, Va Tech, etc

I would much rather play those teams at home as opposed to playing anyone in FCS.

You are not going to get home crowds of 40k while playing in the FCS.

(07-11-2019 08:58 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  So a couple of Marshall fans have been active on this thread and others on our boards related to Jmu going FBS. I appreciate the initial kind words about respect for our program. I respect the heck out of Marshall the same with App State. They give me confidence about JMUs success at the next level- there are similarities between the 3 schools and if the AAC passes on Jmu I hope one of those two schools gets the nod. They are very solid football programs and someday in the future it would be great to be in the same league because I think the rivalries are natural and would be awesome for fans.

That said, I’m curious about the Marshall posters on the Jmu board. I enjoy the back and forth and their perspective but is it driven by respect for our program or concern for your league CUSA that when you leave you want to ensure your replacement is good? Do you aspire to be in the same league as us?

To me it seems like the reason you are here is that you may be curious and concerned about Jmu. You’ve observed the gradual media coverage that Jmu has been getting as a replacement for UConn in the AAC. You’ve seen the special it factor that Jmu has and was on Display during Espn gamedays. You’re envious of us maybe? There is something special about Jmu- it’s the Marshall Of twenty years ago. It has Boise or UCF like momentum. You’re attracted to Jmu the same way AAC commissioner Mike Aresco and the Ads and presidents of the AAC member schools are. You see our potential and for that I thank you for your contributions and perspective. All this talk of accounting tactics distracts from what most see- on the field and off the field JMU is a natural fit for the AAC.

Envious or jealous of what... Your National Titles, Been There, Done That, Bought The T-Shirt, 12 years before your 1st one. Moved on from it.

Envious or jealous of your media coverage, what media coverage. You will get talked about on ESPN if you somehow stumble into a win against WVU and its possible this year, I don't look for them to win but 5-6 games this year. The next time ESPN would mention you is when/if you make the playoffs.

Envious or jealous of your basketball or Olympic sports. Not in the least especially your men's basketball. You do have a nice softball program but Marshall has that covered too, the Herd went 43-20 last year and just signed two All-American HS pitchers with ERAs under 1 for their HS career.

And why does FIU/FAU have football, the same reason VMI and Rhode Island have football. It's a requirement for most conferences. If FIU/FAU had no football the closest IA conference they would be able to get into would probably be the ASun.

(07-11-2019 10:58 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 08:58 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  So a couple of Marshall fans have been active on this thread and others on our boards related to Jmu going FBS. I appreciate the initial kind words about respect for our program. I respect the heck out of Marshall the same with App State. They give me confidence about JMUs success at the next level- there are similarities between the 3 schools and if the AAC passes on Jmu I hope one of those two schools gets the nod. They are very solid football programs and someday in the future it would be great to be in the same league because I think the rivalries are natural and would be awesome for fans.

That said, I’m curious about the Marshall posters on the Jmu board. I enjoy the back and forth and their perspective but is it driven by respect for our program or concern for your league CUSA that when you leave you want to ensure your replacement is good? Do you aspire to be in the same league as us?

To me it seems like the reason you are here is that you may be curious and concerned about Jmu. You’ve observed the gradual media coverage that Jmu has been getting as a replacement for UConn in the AAC. You’ve seen the special it factor that Jmu has and was on Display during Espn gamedays. You’re envious of us maybe? There is something special about Jmu- it’s the Marshall Of twenty years ago. It has Boise or UCF like momentum. You’re attracted to Jmu the same way AAC commissioner Mike Aresco and the Ads and presidents of the AAC member schools are. You see our potential and for that I thank you for your contributions and perspective. All this talk of accounting tactics distracts from what most see- on the field and off the field JMU is a natural fit for the AAC.

Envious or jealous of what... Your National Titles, Been There, Done That, Bought The T-Shirt, 12 years before your 1st one. Moved on from it.

Envious or jealous of your media coverage, what media coverage. You will get talked about on ESPN if you somehow stumble into a win against WVU and its possible this year, I don't look for them to win but 5-6 games this year. The next time ESPN would mention you is when/if you make the playoffs.

Envious or jealous of your basketball or Olympic sports. Not in the least especially your men's basketball. You do have a nice softball program but Marshall has that covered too, the Herd went 43-20 last year and just signed two All-American HS pitchers with ERAs under 1 for their HS career.

And why does FIU/FAU have football, the same reason VMI and Rhode Island have football. It's a requirement for most conferences. If FIU/FAU had no football the closest IA conference they would be able to get into would probably be the ASun.

You all know so much about JMU and our athletic program and you have so many opinions on what we are doing and what we should do. And yet most of us know nothing about Marshall's programs, nor do we care to. Don't you find that odd? It should be a big red flag to you all that maybe you shouldn't be spending your days feverishly filling up text boxes trimmed in purple and gold.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, your rants on here about not caring about us and being glad you arent in the FCS anymore is the equivalent of someone moving out of one neighborhood into another, but still driving back to his old neighborhood every single day to scream at his neighbors from the street about how glad he is that he moved.

You said you've moved on, THEN MOVE ON ALREADY.

(07-11-2019 10:58 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 08:58 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  So a couple of Marshall fans have been active on this thread and others on our boards related to Jmu going FBS. I appreciate the initial kind words about respect for our program. I respect the heck out of Marshall the same with App State. They give me confidence about JMUs success at the next level- there are similarities between the 3 schools and if the AAC passes on Jmu I hope one of those two schools gets the nod. They are very solid football programs and someday in the future it would be great to be in the same league because I think the rivalries are natural and would be awesome for fans.

That said, I’m curious about the Marshall posters on the Jmu board. I enjoy the back and forth and their perspective but is it driven by respect for our program or concern for your league CUSA that when you leave you want to ensure your replacement is good? Do you aspire to be in the same league as us?

To me it seems like the reason you are here is that you may be curious and concerned about Jmu. You’ve observed the gradual media coverage that Jmu has been getting as a replacement for UConn in the AAC. You’ve seen the special it factor that Jmu has and was on Display during Espn gamedays. You’re envious of us maybe? There is something special about Jmu- it’s the Marshall Of twenty years ago. It has Boise or UCF like momentum. You’re attracted to Jmu the same way AAC commissioner Mike Aresco and the Ads and presidents of the AAC member schools are. You see our potential and for that I thank you for your contributions and perspective. All this talk of accounting tactics distracts from what most see- on the field and off the field JMU is a natural fit for the AAC.

Envious or jealous of what... Your National Titles, Been There, Done That, Bought The T-Shirt, 12 years before your 1st one. Moved on from it.

Envious or jealous of your media coverage, what media coverage. You will get talked about on ESPN if you somehow stumble into a win against WVU and its possible this year, I don't look for them to win but 5-6 games this year. The next time ESPN would mention you is when/if you make the playoffs.

Envious or jealous of your basketball or Olympic sports. Not in the least especially your men's basketball. You do have a nice softball program but Marshall has that covered too, the Herd went 43-20 last year and just signed two All-American HS pitchers with ERAs under 1 for their HS career.

And why does FIU/FAU have football, the same reason VMI and Rhode Island have football. It's a requirement for most conferences. If FIU/FAU had no football the closest IA conference they would be able to get into would probably be the ASun.

In saying your aren’t envious of Jmu you sure are coming across like you are.

(07-11-2019 08:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 08:05 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:40 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  It is really cute that JMU adores the WNIT and various woman's programs, As the only remaining founding member of the CAA this makes perfect sense,

Now - This is what the AAC cares about:

1 - Football
2 - Football
3 - Football
4 - Men's Basketball
5 - Men's Basketball

The good news is we are very strong on 1 2 and 3 Dukeman2. Certainly a better football program than your pals in Norfolk or Charlotte. Not even in our league bro. If the AAC wants to guarantee themselves another mid sized market and bottom feeder football team they should add Odu or Charlotte. Hey at least Tulane is a long time member and has a good academic reputation to offset their bad 100+ football program. Odu and Charlotte don’t have that going for them. Heck BYU hasn’t even been good in football in a while- nice name but at a disadvantage recruiting wise same with Army and their 230 lb linemen.

You guys have short memories. The AAC just took the best part of your football program. And if Cignetti works out they’ll do it again. I hope you all are keeping our CAA Football Championship trophy polished.

Jmu has a great history as a football program. mike Houston is a great coach but we’ve accomplished a lot before Houston and will accomplish a lot after him. The culture of Jmu and our reputation will always make us a good football program no matter the conference or level. Odu has 3 memories in their relatively young history- the Heineken teams in FCS the bowl win vs Eastern Michigan and the win vs Va Tech. Jmu has a lot more than that and our arrow is pointed up while yours is pointed sideways or down. Good luck to you.

LOL...JMU football program is no where close to being on the same level as Marshall. This is hilarious.

This thread and the other one are in relation to FBS conference realignment. If you all don't want to move up then why is the other thread approaching 1,100 pages?

(07-11-2019 05:31 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  what is the value of a Woman's lax championship, a womans hoops team to the WNIT final 4, a mens soccer final 8 and a womans softball team that is nationally ranked? even ignoring the quaint notion of supporting and advancing our our non revenue student athletes, the national media exposure and branding we received has to be worth something. i had many dads in the nova area tell me they watched our lax championship and softball success with their daughters. you think that might help attract top student applications down the road.

is umass's investment in FBS football at the expense of non revenue sports, resulting in an endless string of losing seasons and no fan interest a good use of resources?

how about UNCC, Coastal, and on and on.

this is too easy....

maybe i am ignoring value of the impact on genitals

No you didn't.

We would beat Marshall like a rented mule