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The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

But Biden's not center left. Bill Clinton was center left. Biden is way to the left of Bill Clinton. Or at least president Bill. Bill himself sounds well to the left of president Bill these days.

There is simply no democrat in the field that I could ever vote for. If Hillary gets in the field, I will register democrat to vote for her in the primary as very much the lesser evil, just as I did in 2008 and 2016. I might write her in on general principles. And I think Hillary is a truly despicable human being who should be spending the rest of her life in prison. But that doesn't make her worse than any democrat in the field. At least she's not a commie.

(06-15-2019 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

But Biden's not center left. Bill Clinton was center left. Biden is way to the left of Bill Clinton. Or at least president Bill. Bill himself sounds well to the left of president Bill these days.

There is simply no democrat in the field that I could ever vote for. If Hillary gets in the field, I will register democrat to vote for her in the primary as very much the lesser evil, just as I did in 2008 and 2016. I might write her in on general principles. And I think Hillary is a truly despicable human being who should be spending the rest of her life in prison. But that doesn't make her worse than any democrat in the field. At least she's not a commie.

Biden is right there with Bill Clinton.

(06-15-2019 07:40 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

But Biden's not center left. Bill Clinton was center left. Biden is way to the left of Bill Clinton. Or at least president Bill. Bill himself sounds well to the left of president Bill these days.
There is simply no democrat in the field that I could ever vote for. If Hillary gets in the field, I will register democrat to vote for her in the primary as very much the lesser evil, just as I did in 2008 and 2016. I might write her in on general principles. And I think Hillary is a truly despicable human being who should be spending the rest of her life in prison. But that doesn't make her worse than any democrat in the field. At least she's not a commie.

Biden is right there with Bill Clinton.

Biden might be close to 2019 Bill. But 2019 Bill is well to the left of president Bill. Biden had one of the two or three furthest left voting records back when he was in the senate. But what was far left when Biden was in the senate is mainstream democrat now.

I'm libertarian. But I split with libertarians on abortion because I think that everyone should have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, in that order.

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

And that one option says liberal. Not even Democrat.

(06-15-2019 05:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  None of the above. The two party system will be the death of this country. The Dems and the Pubs are the same party with different platforms to attract various voting segments. Both spend money like drunken sailors. The only good things lately are the tax cuts and deregulation to spur the economy to new heights, while the rest of the world has a ho hum economy. And the Pubs couldn't do that until Trump came along, and I don't like him either, b/c his personality sucks, and he keeps killing his own message with stupid attacks on everybody who doesn't love him.

The Libertarian party is a joke, not viable. Neither Johnson nor Weld was an actual Libertarian in the last election.

So I belong to the TripleA one man party of less taxes, more deregulation, clean air and water but not BS like the Green New Deal, sensible immigration laws, support of the Second Amendment, the wall where it makes sense to help control the border, no foreign aid to countries who piss it away, no involvement in foreign wars where we weren't initially attacked, 6 week presidential election campaigns, term limits on all, a total cleanup of government spending (waste fraud and abuse), including the military, drastic shrinking of the fed gov, sensible phasing out of the deficit, balanced budget, fix for entitlement programs so they don't go bust (although some should die altogether), and about 50 other things that are too much to type, and don't fit neatly into one label.

I think the the Green New Deal is a joke. Better immigration polocies not what we had in the past, and not under Trump. I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but simple gun laws that are better. I do not think having an AR15 in a large populated cities should be allowed. Too many people which could lead to carnage. I would reverse Trump's executive order on the regulations that Obama put in place after the Flint water crisis. We all could be drinking lead ladden water. I would improve it some more. No more aid to countries who have Royal family, politial leaders and business leaders who are using the aid to kill others including children or support terrorists. Stop giving aid to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and Turkey. Pull all troops out of South Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany and the Middle East. Clean up fraud and waste in the Government and Military. Force political leaders to pay for their own health care instead of using tax payers' money. The term used for the Social programs are wrong. People who paid taxes into Social Security, Medicare, SSI and Medicaid should not be called Entitlements since it is our money. Medicaid and Food Stamps should be used towards people who really needs the help like the elderly, the disabled and families who have special needs medical issues should come first, and then low income people comes next. Yeah, term limits sound good. I like to see Pelosi, McConnell. Schumar Waters, Imhof and others out of office. I would add to the list that they can't run another office playing musical chairs.

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

So what would you add? Socialist? Communist? Collectivist? Fascist?

What choices would you offer if you were designing the poll?

I don't like using "Liberal." I consider myself a liberal in the classical sense of the word--smaller government, greater liberty. Modern American "liberals" hardly fit that description.

I’m a Rockefeller Republican. Believes in funding government, social programs, free markets and strong environmental regulations. Limbaugh killed the Rockefeller Republican.


I would say the majority of this room is a John Birch Republicans and Social Conservatives.

Rockefeller’s were not hostile to unions either.

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In domestic policy, Rockefeller Republicans were typically moderate to center-right economically, vehemently rejected conservatives like Barry Goldwater and had social policies that were often culturally liberal. They espoused government and private investments in environmentalism, healthcare, and higher education as necessities for a better society and economic growth in the tradition of Rockefeller. They were strong supporters of state colleges and universities, low tuition and large research budgets. They favored infrastructure improvements such as highway projects.

In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership, though they supported some regulation of business. They typically favored New Deal programs and a social safety net and sought to run these programs more efficiently than the Democrats.[8]

They were strong supporters of big business and Wall Street. Many Republicans of the Eisenhower-Rockefeller vein were major figures in business, such as auto executive George W. Romney and investment banker C. Douglas Dillon. In fiscal policy, they favored balanced budgets and were not averse to raising taxes in order to achieve them. Connecticut Senator Prescott Bush once called for Congress to "raise the required revenues by approving whatever levels of taxation may be necessary".[9]

A critical element was their support for labor unions and especially the building trades appreciated the heavy spending on infrastructure. In turn, the unions gave these politicians enough support to overcome the anti-union rural element in the Republican Party. As the unions weakened after the 1970s, so too did the need for Republicans to cooperate with them. This transformation played into the hands of the more conservative Republicans, who did not want to collaborate with labor unions in the first place and now no longer needed to do so to carry statewide elections.[10]

In foreign policy, they tended to be Hamiltonian, espousing internationalist and realist policies, supporting the United Nations and promoting American business interests abroad. Most wanted to use American power in cooperation with allies to fight against the spread of Soviet communism and help American business expand abroad. Richard Nixon, a moderate establishment Republican within the party's contemporary ideological framework, was influenced by this tradition.

I have a friend who calls himself an Eisenhower democrat. He calls me a Bill Clinton republican. I actually liked President Bill, but Bill has moved pretty far left since leaving the White House, so I'm not sure how well that applies any more.

If you've read many of my posts, you should be pretty familiar with where I stand on issues. I don't think that fits democrat or republican. Definitely not anywhere near any of the democrat presidential candidates.

(06-15-2019 08:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

So what would you add? Socialist? Communist? Collectivist? Fascist?

What choices would you offer if you were designing the poll?

I don't like using "Liberal." I consider myself a liberal in the classical sense of the word--smaller government, greater liberty. Modern American "liberals" hardly fit that description.

“Fascist” would have added yet another choice for conservatives.

(06-15-2019 09:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 08:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The options for this poll crack me up...
3 options for Republicans and only one for Democrats. I suppose that says a lot about how Republicans view Democrats and where people get their news. Also shows why Republicans are dumbfounded by Biden’s wide lead among Democrats. The party is still controlled by the center-left and bot the progressive wing of the party.

So what would you add? Socialist? Communist? Collectivist? Fascist?
What choices would you offer if you were designing the poll?
I don't like using "Liberal." I consider myself a liberal in the classical sense of the word--smaller government, greater liberty. Modern American "liberals" hardly fit that description.

“Fascist” would have added yet another choice for conservatives.

Actually, if you look at issues, "fascist" is closer to democrats. The Green New Deal has a lot of fascist elements.

This is where you go off the rails Owl. Fascists are Extreme Republicans. You would accuse Extreme D’s of being communist.

(06-15-2019 10:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is where you go off the rails Owl. Fascists are Extreme Republicans. You would accuse Extreme D’s of being communist.

Fascists are extreme central government power freaks. So are democrats. Conservatives, at least my kind of conservatives, want minimum government and maximum freedom. That is the opposite of fascism.

Fascism is an economic system of nominal private ownership of the means of production, with maximum direction and micromanagement by government. That is the Green New Deal.

Democrats are islamocommununosociofacists

(06-15-2019 06:51 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You didn’t include the ‘I hate America’ choice....

The choice is there, just using the focus-group tested name of "Liberal"

(06-15-2019 11:23 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I'm fiscally conservative...spend what the government takes in (if we can't pay for it cut it) and provide the services that the Constitution says the government should provide.

I'm socially libertarian...I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home as long as you aren't hurting anyone...but I don't want to pay for it and I don't want to hear about it.

I'll pay the taxes I owe and otherwise I want the government out of my life.

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