AC, I could see P12 replace the B10 instead of the ACC for the First Responder/Armed Forces. I just think neither the P12 or ACC want to do a semi tie-in but I could be wrong. Just wish the ACC and P12 would announce, then that would allow the rest of the bowls to fall in place.

I have a hard time buying that independence is working that well for BYU when they're doing 1-1's & 2-2's with Libery, UMASS, NMSU and other schools. BYU should have 7 home games every occasional year. I wish they'd rejoin the MWC so Boise, USU could be rivalry games for them.

(06-20-2019 05:10 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I have a hard time buying that independence is working that well for BYU when they're doing 1-1's & 2-2's with Libery, UMASS, NMSU and other schools.

It's one thing to get games in the first half of the season, it's another to get games in the second half, which is why a number of their FCS buy games are in November. But they are able host games mid-October or later with Arkansas and Virginia, as well as Boise State, UNLV, Houston, and ECU, so they aren't under the same crunch as NMSU or UMass.

Quote: BYU should have 7 home games every occasional year. I wish they'd rejoin the MWC so Boise, USU could be rivalry games for them.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. So long as Utah is in a P5 conference and BYU can survive as a football independent, they are going to stay independent.

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

That makes sense to me. BYU has a lot of fans.

(06-20-2019 06:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:10 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I have a hard time buying that independence is working that well for BYU when they're doing 1-1's & 2-2's with Libery, UMASS, NMSU and other schools.

It's one thing to get games in the first half of the season, it's another to get games in the second half, which is why a number of their FCS buy games are in November. But they are able host games mid-October or later with Arkansas and Virginia, as well as Boise State, UNLV, Houston, and ECU, so they aren't under the same crunch as NMSU or UMass.

Quote: BYU should have 7 home games every occasional year. I wish they'd rejoin the MWC so Boise, USU could be rivalry games for them.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. So long as Utah is in a P5 conference and BYU can survive as a football independent, they are going to stay independent.

Of course BYU would prefer P5 membership, but Independence is working just fine. BYU recently opened a basketball annex adjacent to its 19K-seat basketball arena and is currently greatly expanding the mezzanine level of its 64K-seat football stadium for the 2019 season, adding restrooms, a new stadium entrance, and greatly improving the stadium experience. BYU made $80M in revenue last year, despite making significantly less from its media partners than P5 schools. That's similar or more revenue that a number of P5 programs. The similar revenue comes from greater % coming from ticket sales, donors, etc.

And, BYU wants road games. All over. Including games in New England and Virginia. Fan access and exposure are the program's key goals. It's fascinating to look at the map to see where BYU has played and is scheduling future games. A look at the last 8 years (through '18) and next 9 years ('19 and on) shows an interesting scheduling philosophy - BYU plays as many road games in the South, Midwest, and East Coast as they do in California and other western states (excluding Utah):

California -
9/5 (18%/15%)
Mountain West(AZ, ID, NV, WY, NM)-
9/8 (18%/24%)
Other West(WA, OR, HI)
4/3 (8%/9%)
WEST Subtotal
22/16 (46%/48%)

South(FL, GA, TN, NC, MS, AR) -
7/7 (14%/21%)
Midwest(NE, MO, WI, MN, IL, MI, OH) -
9/3 (18%/9%)
MidAtlantic/New England(MD, VA, CT, MA)-
4/5 (8%/15%)
Texas -
6/2 (12%/6%)
EAST/OTHER Subtotal
26/17 (54%/52%)

TOTAL: 48/33

I'm surprised that we don't get more games in Texas - and that we have yet to play or schedule a game in Colorado....

(06-20-2019 05:31 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 06:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:10 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I have a hard time buying that independence is working that well for BYU when they're doing 1-1's & 2-2's with Libery, UMASS, NMSU and other schools.

It's one thing to get games in the first half of the season, it's another to get games in the second half, which is why a number of their FCS buy games are in November. But they are able host games mid-October or later with Arkansas and Virginia, as well as Boise State, UNLV, Houston, and ECU, so they aren't under the same crunch as NMSU or UMass.

Quote: BYU should have 7 home games every occasional year. I wish they'd rejoin the MWC so Boise, USU could be rivalry games for them.

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. So long as Utah is in a P5 conference and BYU can survive as a football independent, they are going to stay independent.

Of course BYU would prefer P5 membership, but Independence is working just fine. BYU recently opened a basketball annex adjacent to its 19K-seat basketball arena and is currently greatly expanding the mezzanine level of its 64K-seat football stadium for the 2019 season, adding restrooms, a new stadium entrance, and greatly improving the stadium experience. BYU made $80M in revenue last year, despite making significantly less from its media partners than P5 schools. That's similar or more revenue that a number of P5 programs. The similar revenue comes from greater % coming from ticket sales, donors, etc.

And, BYU wants road games. All over. Including games in New England and Virginia. Fan access and exposure are the program's key goals. It's fascinating to look at the map to see where BYU has played and is scheduling future games. A look at the last 8 years (through '18) and next 9 years ('19 and on) shows an interesting scheduling philosophy - BYU plays as many road games in the South, Midwest, and East Coast as they do in California and other western states (excluding Utah):

California -
9/5 (18%/15%)
Mountain West(AZ, ID, NV, WY, NM)-
9/8 (18%/24%)
Other West(WA, OR, HI)
4/3 (8%/9%)
WEST Subtotal
22/16 (46%/48%)

South(FL, GA, TN, NC, MS, AR) -
7/7 (14%/21%)
Midwest(NE, MO, WI, MN, IL, MI, OH) -
9/3 (18%/9%)
MidAtlantic/New England(MD, VA, CT, MA)-
4/5 (8%/15%)
Texas -
6/2 (12%/6%)
EAST/OTHER Subtotal
26/17 (54%/52%)

TOTAL: 48/33

I'm surprised that we don't get more games in Texas - and that we have yet to play or schedule a game in Colorado....

BYU, like Notre Dame, wants to play games all over the country.

That makes them different than most schools who want to play mostly regional games against conference opponents, with a smattering of most regional OOC games.

Different strokes, that is why independence works for BYU and ND.

To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

(06-20-2019 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

UCF to the ACC is highly unlikely. ACC is not expanding unless the school name include the two letters, N & D,

(06-20-2019 08:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

UCF to the ACC is highly unlikely. ACC is not expanding unless the school name include the two letters, N & D,

USFFan

(06-21-2019 08:32 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

UCF to the ACC is highly unlikely. ACC is not expanding unless the school name include the two letters, N & D,

USFFan

Yes, that includes both N & D. And would make Wake Forest very happy.

(06-21-2019 09:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 08:32 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

UCF to the ACC is highly unlikely. ACC is not expanding unless the school name include the two letters, N & D,

USFFan

Yes, that includes both N & D. And would make Wake Forest very happy.

Yep, I did that in part to be a wise ass, but also because it would honestly be a better fit for both the SEC and the ACC. Let's face it, if everybody were being honest, a Clemson for Vanderbilt trade would make almost everybody involved happy...

(notable exception being Florida State)

USFFan

(06-10-2019 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 02:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Good job by the Cougars

Curious, I believe the Cougars made more per season than most AAC teams did in the last contract. Wonder what the reaction will be if BYU ends up with same or more $ per season? I believe the target number would at least $7 Mil per season, Not bad for televising 5-6 games on ESPN along with including them in an ESPN bowl every year they qualify.

IIRC the unofficial numbers on it priced their payout based on how many get ABC/ESPN/ESPN2, a lesser payout for EspnU, and no payout from ESPN for games that fall to BYUtv. Paired with some minimum number of home games appearing at each level they get a bigger payout than the AAC or MWC at worst case and potentially significantly more. Not near a P5 payout but a step up from G5.

(06-21-2019 08:32 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:43 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:00 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  To be honest BYU would be a nice fit in an expanded XII.

They might get a shot if conferences were permitted to go to 3 divisions. That would open up the way for SEC/ACC/B1G to grab a 15th if they wanted to.

B1G (Kansas)
XII (UC, Houston, BYU)
ACC (UCF)

ACC North (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech)
ACC Central (UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State)
ACC South (Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UCF, Miami)

Independence for BYU is a better deal than MWC 2.0 but they'd jump quick at a P5.

UCF to the ACC is highly unlikely. ACC is not expanding unless the school name include the two letters, N & D,

USFFan

Touche

(06-21-2019 03:42 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 02:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Good job by the Cougars

Curious, I believe the Cougars made more per season than most AAC teams did in the last contract. Wonder what the reaction will be if BYU ends up with same or more $ per season? I believe the target number would at least $7 Mil per season, Not bad for televising 5-6 games on ESPN along with including them in an ESPN bowl every year they qualify.

IIRC the unofficial numbers on it priced their payout based on how many get ABC/ESPN/ESPN2, a lesser payout for EspnU, and no payout from ESPN for games that fall to BYUtv. Paired with some minimum number of home games appearing at each level they get a bigger payout than the AAC or MWC at worst case and potentially significantly more. Not near a P5 payout but a step up from G5.

BYU made $4.5 million from media rights in 2018. I thought I remembered a story from one of the Utah papers doing the math, but I could only find this Fansided. Same source material and basic arithmetic though.

https://lawlessrepublic.com/2017/09/21/b...act-money/

More than the OLD AAC deal, less than the new.

ESPN grabbed the option at that (reportedly variable) rate, meaning that that number or more is the actual market value.

Sorry for the lack of update from Media Day--it appears others shared the details. I was a little disappointed in the media day announcements. Nothing of high announcement value this time. TV deal is basically done, BYU/ESPN still working out the more complex bowl deal details. Stuff like for bowls where it might not be possible for a conference to fill their obligations in a given year, perhaps having a tier system on determining the best bowl to slot BYU in based on their performance that year rather than just saying (like with 2019) BYU will face someone in the Hawaii Bowl so long as they are bowl eligible. Gives ESPN flexibility in determining a good matchup while also heightening the profile of a bowl BYU might be able to land when they have a good year. I guess we have to remain in wait and see mode.

I’ll be curious to see if BYU gets some inventory to ESPN+. ESPN wants subscribers and the cougars are both loyal and aren’t currently getting paid for the unclaimed by ESPN BYUtv games.

Any chance that BYU becomes a football only in the AAC to replace departing UConn? ESPN owns the rights to both. They could act as matchmaker. Financially it would be a wash, but it would give BYU better scheduling. The AAC has teams in several parts of the country, which helps BYU with their desire to play a national schedule.

(06-22-2019 11:22 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Any chance that BYU becomes a football only in the AAC to replace departing UConn? ESPN owns the rights to both. They could act as matchmaker. Financially it would be a wash, but it would give BYU better scheduling. The AAC has teams in several parts of the country, which helps BYU with their desire to play a national schedule.

This is exactly what I am thinking. Both AAC and BYU are ESPN properties. They could easily play matchmaker and roll them all into one contract. Other than BYU, add whoever ESPN says to add.

Looking at future BYU schedules, they would have to cancel quite a few games if they joined prior to the 2025 season

How lucky is the AAC that BYU and ESPN couldn't make a deal earlier.

Now it's in ESPN's best interest to strong-arm BYU to join the AAC and replace UConn.

AAC offers a variety of bowl options for BYU. So its not NY6 (which they haven't been in contention for), Hawaii, or bust.

Independent hasn't worked out. ESPN was moving BYU content to ESPN+ in the new agreement no matter what.

ESPN is going to do what ESPN does best, move the chips where they need to be in order for them to make the most money. At the very least it's leverage for ESPN to use on BYU. You can either accept AAC membership or we low ball you as an independent that barely makes bowl eligibility.

Your contact ends in 2019, what are you going to do? BYU needs to secure a TV and bowl agreement this off-season or they run the risk of not having anything. Even if you decide to run to Fox for a tv deal, what do you do for bowl games? Hawaii bowl is owned by ESPN too.

BYU has no leverage, football and basketball has unperformed in recent years. ESPN is the only partner that brings tv money and bowl agreements in hand for 2020.