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If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.
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(05-29-2019 09:42 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.

I didn't see one specifically about his public statement that he just made...

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MUELLER: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

"I don't have the power to arrest and accuse a president of a crime but I do have the power to clear him of one. I can not clear him of one"

“Under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office... Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

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Just as the Report says, Mueller just said



If we had concluded that Trump did not commit a crime [of obstruction of justice], we would say so.

The OLC opinion says we can't charge a sitting president with a crime, so that wasn't even an option.

It would be unfair to say whether we think the president has committed a crime, since we can't charge him with a crime.

Therefore, we have decided not to come to a formal conclusion on whether the president committed a crime.

Conclusion: The option that he did commit a crime was not available to them, while the option that he didn't was available and they were willing to say so if that is what they concluded. Therefore, the fact that they did not come to a conclusion conclusively exhibits the fact that they do think that the president committed obstruction of justice.
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Concluded that he will not be answering any further questions and basically said "read the report dummies". Also said he didn't think Barr did anything malicious with how he released the report.

A big takeaway is his warning about the degree to which Russia and outside forces influenced the election. Seemed to be waving a big flag saying "THIS IS A BIG DEAL. TAKE IT MORE SERIOUSLY PLEASE"
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(05-29-2019 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:42 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.

I didn't see one specifically about his public statement that he just made...

Some quotes:


MUELLER: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

"I don't have the power to arrest and accuse a president of a crime but I do have the power to clear him of one. I can not clear him of one"

“Under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office... Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

_________________________________________
Just as the Report says, Mueller just said



If we had concluded that Trump did not commit a crime [of obstruction of justice], we would say so.

The OLC opinion says we can't charge a sitting president with a crime, so that wasn't even an option.

It would be unfair to say whether we think the president has committed a crime, since we can't charge him with a crime.

Therefore, we have decided not to come to a formal conclusion on whether the president committed a crime.

Conclusion: The option that he did commit a crime was not available to them, while the option that he didn't was available and they were willing to say so if that is what they concluded. Therefore, the fact that they did not come to a conclusion conclusively exhibits the fact that they do think that the president committed obstruction of justice.

The bolded is FALSE, and now we know why Comey thought he could act the way he did during the Hillary investigation. He learned it from his butt-buddy Mueller.

A prosecutor DOES NOT FIND A PERSON INNOCENT. EVER. The fact that Mueller is confused on that is telling.
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If the President obstructed than say it with the proof
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(05-29-2019 10:59 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Concluded that he will not be answering any further questions and basically said "read the report dummies". Also said he didn't think Barr did anything malicious with how he released the report.

A big takeaway is his warning about the degree to which Russia and outside forces influenced the election. Seemed to be waving a big flag saying "THIS IS A BIG DEAL. TAKE IT MORE SERIOUSLY PLEASE"

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(05-29-2019 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:42 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.

I didn't see one specifically about his public statement that he just made...

Some quotes:


MUELLER: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

"I don't have the power to arrest and accuse a president of a crime but I do have the power to clear him of one. I can not clear him of one"

“Under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office... Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

_________________________________________
Just as the Report says, Mueller just said



If we had concluded that Trump did not commit a crime [of obstruction of justice], we would say so.

The OLC opinion says we can't charge a sitting president with a crime, so that wasn't even an option.

It would be unfair to say whether we think the president has committed a crime, since we can't charge him with a crime.

Therefore, we have decided not to come to a formal conclusion on whether the president committed a crime.

Conclusion: The option that he did commit a crime was not available to them, while the option that he didn't was available and they were willing to say so if that is what they concluded. Therefore, the fact that they did not come to a conclusion conclusively exhibits the fact that they do think that the president committed obstruction of justice.

The bolded is FALSE, and now we know why Comey thought he could act the way he did during the Hillary investigation. He learned it from his butt-buddy Mueller.

A prosecutor DOES NOT FIND A PERSON INNOCENT. EVER. The fact that Mueller is confused on that is telling.

THIS

The entire justice system is based on a person being innocent until PROVEN otherwise. The prosecution never works to prove a person innocent---in fact, they do just the opposite. When prosecutors present evidence to a grand jury they ONLY present the evidence that appears incriminating and do not present any information that may exonerate an individual. Requiring that a person prove he didnt commit a crime would turn 250 years of US Justice case law on its head.
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(05-29-2019 11:05 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If the President obstructed than say it with the proof

Heres what Mueller is saying;

My pitbull Andrew Weismann tried to illegally setup George Papadoupolos with $10K in cash after I was appointed Special Counsel so he could bust him embezzling the money into the US, but Papadoupolis outsmarted us and has the money stored in a safe in Cyprus and it has Weismanns fingerprints all over it, and we are so screwed if Barr and Durham continue their investigation.
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(05-29-2019 11:05 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:59 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Concluded that he will not be answering any further questions and basically said "read the report dummies". Also said he didn't think Barr did anything malicious with how he released the report.

A big takeaway is his warning about the degree to which Russia and outside forces influenced the election. Seemed to be waving a big flag saying "THIS IS A BIG DEAL. TAKE IT MORE SERIOUSLY PLEASE"

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Quote:Thank you for being here. Two years ago the acting attorney general asked me to serve as special counsel, and he created the special counsel's office. The appointment order directed the office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. This included investigating any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. I have not spoken publicly during our investigation. I'm speaking out today because our investigation is complete. The attorney general has made the report on our investigation largely public. We are formally closing the special counsel's office, and, as well, I'm resigning from the Department of Justice to return to private life. I'll make a few remarks about the results of our work. But beyond these few remarks it is important that the office's written work speak for itself.

Let me begin where the appointment order begins, and that is interference in the 2016 presidential election. As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers, who were part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization, WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election. These indictments contain allegations, and we are not commenting on the guilt or innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. The indictments allege, and the other activities in our report describe, efforts to interfere in our political system. They needed to be investigated and understood, and that is among the reasons why the Department of Justice established our office. That is also a reason we investigated efforts to obstruct the investigation. The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators it strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.

Let me say a word about the report. The report has two parts, addressing the two main issues we were asked to investigate. The first volume of the report details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the Trump campaign's response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. And in a second volume, the report describes the results and analysis of our obstruction of justice investigation involving the president. The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider.

The department's written opinion explaining the policy makes several important points that further informed our handling of the obstruction investigation. Those points are summarized in our report and I will describe two of them for you. First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting president, because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could be charged now. And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. And beyond department policy, we were guided by principles of fairness. It would be unfair to potentially, it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated, and from them we concluded that we would, would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. That is the office's, that is the office's final position, and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president. We conducted an independent criminal investigation and reported the results to the attorney general, as required by department regulations. The attorney general then concluded that it was appropriate to provide our report to Congress and to the American people. At one point in time I requested that certain portions of the report be released. The attorney general preferred to make that, preferred to make the entire report public all at once, and we appreciate that the attorney general made the report largely public. And I certainly do not question the attorney general's good faith in that decision.

Now I hope and expect this to be the only time that I will speak to you in this manner. I am making that decision myself. No one has told me whether I can or should testify or speak further about this matter. There has been discussion about an appearance before Congress. Any testimony from this office would not go beyond our report. It contains our findings and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. We chose those words carefully and the work speaks for itself. And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before Congress. In addition, access to our underlying work product is being decided in a process that does not involve our office. So beyond what I have said here today, and what is contained in our written work, I do not believe it is appropriate for me to speak further about the investigation or to comment on the actions of the Justice Department or Congress. And it's for that reason I will not be taking questions today as well. Now before I step away, I want to thank the attorneys, the FBI agents, the analysts, the professional staff who helped us conduct this investigation in a fair and independent manner. These individuals who spent nearly two years with the special counsel's office were of the highest integrity. and I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our of our indictments that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. And that allegation deserves the attention of every American. Thank you. Thank you for being here today.

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So wait...Mueller says "If we had confidence the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Is that the same thing as saying "We do not have confidence the president committed a crime, so we didn't say so."?

What a p ussy. If he committed a crime, say he did. Otherwise, stfu.

Amirite?
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(05-29-2019 11:33 AM)king king Wrote:  So wait...Mueller says "If we had confidence the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Is that the same thing as saying "We do not have confidence the president committed a crime, so we didn't say so."?

What a p ussy. If he committed a crime, say he did. Otherwise, stfu.

Amirite?

This is what govt types do when they have no proof. They cast a shadow that is impossible for the victim to remove.

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(05-29-2019 11:33 AM)king king Wrote:  So wait...Mueller says "If we had confidence the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Is that the same thing as saying "We do not have confidence the president committed a crime, so we didn't say so."?

What a p ussy. If he committed a crime, say he did. Otherwise, stfu.

Amirite?
This. It is official. Mueller is a worm and was/still is doing everything he could/can to get rid of Trump and could not find anything. This thing about we can't indict a sitting president because it can't go to court is garbage because, guess what the Russian Facebookers aren't getting a trial either. What a joke.
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Robert Mueller contradicts himself in the above statement.

Paragraph 2 "Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty."

Paragraph 3 " if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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(05-29-2019 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:42 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.

I didn't see one specifically about his public statement that he just made...

Some quotes:


MUELLER: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

"I don't have the power to arrest and accuse a president of a crime but I do have the power to clear him of one. I can not clear him of one"

“Under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office... Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

_________________________________________
Just as the Report says, Mueller just said



If we had concluded that Trump did not commit a crime [of obstruction of justice], we would say so.

The OLC opinion says we can't charge a sitting president with a crime, so that wasn't even an option.

It would be unfair to say whether we think the president has committed a crime, since we can't charge him with a crime.

Therefore, we have decided not to come to a formal conclusion on whether the president committed a crime.

Conclusion: The option that he did commit a crime was not available to them, while the option that he didn't was available and they were willing to say so if that is what they concluded. Therefore, the fact that they did not come to a conclusion conclusively exhibits the fact that they do think that the president committed obstruction of justice.

The bolded is FALSE, and now we know why Comey thought he could act the way he did during the Hillary investigation. He learned it from his butt-buddy Mueller.

A prosecutor DOES NOT FIND A PERSON INNOCENT. EVER. The fact that Mueller is confused on that is telling.

This. It's all there in black and white, clear as crystal when you take this one point into consideration. It's a carefully worded piece of propaganda put out to foment division.

I might have just become a full blown Trump supporter...egad.
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(05-29-2019 11:42 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  Robert Mueller contradicts himself in the above statement.

Paragraph 2 "Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty."

Paragraph 3 " if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

So he is presumed innocent.
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(05-29-2019 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:42 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you would pull your head out of your ass you would see where this has already been posted, and has running thread on it already.

I didn't see one specifically about his public statement that he just made...

Some quotes:


MUELLER: "When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

"I don't have the power to arrest and accuse a president of a crime but I do have the power to clear him of one. I can not clear him of one"

“Under longstanding department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office... Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

‘If We Had Confidence That the President Did Not Commit a Crime, We Would Have Said So’

_________________________________________
Just as the Report says, Mueller just said



If we had concluded that Trump did not commit a crime [of obstruction of justice], we would say so.

The OLC opinion says we can't charge a sitting president with a crime, so that wasn't even an option.

It would be unfair to say whether we think the president has committed a crime, since we can't charge him with a crime.

Therefore, we have decided not to come to a formal conclusion on whether the president committed a crime.

Conclusion: The option that he did commit a crime was not available to them, while the option that he didn't was available and they were willing to say so if that is what they concluded. Therefore, the fact that they did not come to a conclusion conclusively exhibits the fact that they do think that the president committed obstruction of justice.

The bolded is FALSE, and now we know why Comey thought he could act the way he did during the Hillary investigation. He learned it from his butt-buddy Mueller.

A prosecutor DOES NOT FIND A PERSON INNOCENT. EVER. The fact that Mueller is confused on that is telling.

THIS

The entire justice system is based on a person being innocent until PROVEN otherwise. The prosecution never works to prove a person innocent---in fact, they do just the opposite. When prosecutors present evidence to a grand jury they ONLY present the evidence that appears incriminating and do not present any information that may exonerate an individual. Requiring that a person prove he didnt commit a crime would turn 250 years of US Justice case law on its head.

Nobody has found that Mueller didn't commit sexual harrassment and sexual assault of his subordinates either.
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Mueller gets away with talking out both sides of his mouth because Trump is not a defendant. Other wise he did not charge the President with a crime so he gets to double talk.

It's bullcrap but that's what he's doing
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How does one fail to prove someone didn't do something?

Clown world.
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