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(05-29-2019 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(05-29-2019 12:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Bill Barr is going to be pissed. I'm sure Barr spoke with Mueller about making the public statement to clear the air and all he did muddy it up and also showed how crooked a prosecutor he is. If you can't indict or make charges against the President then what was the purpose of the investigation? To tell us Russians are trying to screw with America? Pretty sure Ken Starr proved you can make charges against a sitting President.

I totally agree with the last sentence. It’s a ridiculous interpretation. You are saying Trump is above the law which is not the case. It definitely muddies the water. I think Barr shut the investigation down. Barr also said under oath that Mueller didn’t indict because of the policy which Mueller states specifically that’s why he didn’t indict. What a mess.

He's not saying Trump is above the law. He's saying that if Mueller could make a case--he would have (just as Starr did). What Mueller's report essentially says is 'I cant prove he is guilty---and I cant totally exonerate him beyond all reasonable doubt'. However---our justice system is based on PROVING GUILT---not PROVING INNOCENCE. Muellers "exoneration" angle is a massive red herring--nothing more.

Mueller precisely said he could not indict. You are mistaken.
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(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?
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(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
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(05-29-2019 12:36 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Bill Barr is going to be pissed. I'm sure Barr spoke with Mueller about making the public statement to clear the air and all he did muddy it up and also showed how crooked a prosecutor he is. If you can't indict or make charges against the President then what was the purpose of the investigation? To tell us Russians are trying to screw with America? Pretty sure Ken Starr proved you can make charges against a sitting President.

I totally agree with the last sentence. It’s a ridiculous interpretation. You are saying Trump is above the law which is not the case. It definitely muddies the water. I think Barr shut the investigation down. Barr also said under oath that Mueller didn’t indict because of the policy which Mueller states specifically that’s why he didn’t indict. What a mess.

He's not saying Trump is above the law. He's saying that if Mueller could make a case--he would have (just as Starr did). What Mueller's report essentially says is 'I cant prove he is guilty---and I cant totally exonerate him beyond all reasonable doubt'. However---our justice system is based on PROVING GUILT---not PROVING INNOCENCE. Muellers "exoneration" angle is a massive red herring--nothing more.

Mueller precisely said he could not indict. You are mistaken.

Show me where in the report it says that.
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A more appropriate header for this topic would have been -

Mueller will make public statement... TDS Democrats are praying for something they can spin from it.
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(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

But you told me it was mueller time.

Now we all have to pretend to take the democrats seriously on impeachment, when they control the House and are sitting on their hands.

You aren't going to be able to thread this needle of talking about it for 2 years, but not ever doing anything. Put up or shut up. Impeach and live with the consequences (good or bad) of 2020.

It's almost like TDS isn't as good of a political football as you claim it is.

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(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?

I agree with you. I’m saying Mueller said he couldn’t indict a sitting President. I think he’s wrong.
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(05-29-2019 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
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(05-29-2019 12:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Bill Barr is going to be pissed. I'm sure Barr spoke with Mueller about making the public statement to clear the air and all he did muddy it up and also showed how crooked a prosecutor he is. If you can't indict or make charges against the President then what was the purpose of the investigation? To tell us Russians are trying to screw with America? Pretty sure Ken Starr proved you can make charges against a sitting President.

To make the findings and pass them on to Congress for execution of any necessary duty apparently.

Its not their duty. It was his.

I guess Mueller disagrees with you.
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(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?
It’s front page on Drudge
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-...d=63344952
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IMPEACH HIM ALREADY!!
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(05-29-2019 01:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  IMPEACH HIM ALREADY!!

Amazing both sides of the aisle seem to agree on this and it hasn't happened yet. Hurry up Dems! 07-coffee3
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Mueller is saying he didn’t have the “option”. Reading between the lines Barr wouldn’t allow him????
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Want proof Mueller was out to get Trump and not to find evidence of Russian meddling?

Here it is: what was the biggest Russian in the room? The dossier of course. Was it mentioned in any parcel of Mueller’s Russian meddling? No. Did he investigate that? No. Does he want to testify to Congress and answer why? No.

It may turn out that the squealer will be Rosenstein. He may have been set up himself.
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(05-29-2019 01:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?
It’s front page on Drudge
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-...d=63344952

That's what Mueller said but I asked for the law that states he cant. But for argument sake let say that's correct.....

there is nothing stopping him from saying I think the President committed crime(s) but I cant charge him.

You will not find a law saying the president cant be charged...a directive from the DOJ, but even that gave Mueller a way to charge the President. If he chose to
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(05-29-2019 01:24 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Want proof Mueller was out to get Trump and not to find evidence of Russian meddling?

Here it is: what was the biggest Russian in the room? The dossier of course. Was it mentioned in any parcel of Mueller’s Russian meddling? No. Did he investigate that? No. Does he want to testify to Congress and answer why? No.

It may turn out that the squealer will be Rosenstein. He may have been set up himself.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. +2
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(05-29-2019 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?
It’s front page on Drudge
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-...d=63344952

That's what Mueller said but I asked for the law that states he cant. But for argument sake let say that's correct.....

there is nothing stopping him from saying I think the President committed crime(s) but I cant charge him.

You will not find a law saying the president cant be charged...a directive from the DOJ, but even that gave Mueller a way to charge the President. If he chose to


He is saying he didn’t have the option? Barr stopped it? That’s my read.
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I don't want to impeach or indict, I just want to replace him in November, 2020.

What good would impeaching him before then do except give Pence a head start for a 2020 election?

I would imagine Trump's popularity ratings go down after today.
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(05-29-2019 01:21 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:49 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Bill Barr is going to be pissed. I'm sure Barr spoke with Mueller about making the public statement to clear the air and all he did muddy it up and also showed how crooked a prosecutor he is. If you can't indict or make charges against the President then what was the purpose of the investigation? To tell us Russians are trying to screw with America? Pretty sure Ken Starr proved you can make charges against a sitting President.

To make the findings and pass them on to Congress for execution of any necessary duty apparently.

Its not their duty. It was his.

I guess Mueller disagrees with you.

Then he doesnt agree with the law. Probably not the first time. Just ask the 4 men he railroaded in the Whitey Buler case.
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A summary of Muellers actual statement:

"If members of congress do not impeach and remove Trump, many of us will hang by nooses"
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(05-29-2019 01:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  But you can’t indict a sitting President so that argument is bunk

Show me the law that says you can not charge a sitting President? You wont find it. Better yet show me where anything says you cant say...the president committed a crime?
It’s front page on Drudge
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-...d=63344952

That's what Mueller said but I asked for the law that states he cant. But for argument sake let say that's correct.....

there is nothing stopping him from saying I think the President committed crime(s) but I cant charge him.

You will not find a law saying the president cant be charged...a directive from the DOJ, but even that gave Mueller a way to charge the President. If he chose to


He is saying he didn’t have the option? Barr stopped it? That’s my read.


How did you come to that conclusion, other than that's what you want to believe?
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(05-29-2019 01:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I don't want to impeach or indict, I just want to replace him in November, 2020.

What good would impeaching him before then do except give Pence a head start for a 2020 election?

I would imagine Trump's popularity ratings go down after today.

I didn't see or hear anything from Mueller today that was new.

It's funny to think that Mueller can indict several people along the way either directly or via another state court system, but he can't even come out and say (if either had been the case) ...

We have proof that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election (and have provided that proof to the justice department), or...

We have proof that Trump obstructed justice (and have provided that proof to the justice department).

To me it is pretty farfetched to think that he would not have done that if he had proof that either had happened. If he doesn't have proof - and it appears that he doesn't - he should just say that they didn't find anything that proves it happened and leave it at that.

We are all still innocent until proven guilty in this country, right? Is there a special law that goes against that for just Trump? In light of insufficient evidence does he and he alone still have to prove his innocence? Let's hope this country never comes to that - if we aren't already there.
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