(03-27-2019 12:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:32 AM)AZcats Wrote:  This is old news and it should not come as a surprise. It's not as if someone wasn't trying to tell you they would stay D2.

(10-27-2018 01:30 PM) Wrote:  Metro State will go through the motion of doing the study but it will show that D2 is where they should be.

The Lone Star will have only 19 members next year but it doesn't matter anyway because D2 conferences do not generate revenue for its members like it is done in D1. It is also not uncommon to have larger conferences in D2. The PSAC will have 18 again next year, the NSIC and RMAC have 16, the GLVC will return to 16 next year, and the GLIAC, the GSC, and the NE10 previously had 16 members.

MEAC gains one in Frostburg State, but could lose Wheeling Jesuit since they are getting closer to be closing.

Frostburg is a replacement for Shepherd. Even though Shepherd is in WV, they are closer to half of their new conference than they were to nearly all of the Mountain East schools (you literally have to drive through an adjoining state to get between Shepherd and the rest of WV.)

(03-27-2019 04:35 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:32 AM)AZcats Wrote:  This is old news and it should not come as a surprise. It's not as if someone wasn't trying to tell you they would stay D2.

(10-27-2018 01:30 PM) Wrote:  Metro State will go through the motion of doing the study but it will show that D2 is where they should be.

The Lone Star will have only 19 members next year but it doesn't matter anyway because D2 conferences do not generate revenue for its members like it is done in D1. It is also not uncommon to have larger conferences in D2. The PSAC will have 18 again next year, the NSIC and RMAC have 16, the GLVC will return to 16 next year, and the GLIAC, the GSC, and the NE10 previously had 16 members.

MEAC gains one in Frostburg State, but could lose Wheeling Jesuit since they are getting closer to be closing.

Frostburg is a replacement for Shepherd. Even though Shepherd is in WV, they are closer to half of their new conference than they were to nearly all of the Mountain East schools (you literally have to drive through an adjoining state to get between Shepherd and the rest of WV.)

Yes, the MEC is not gaining membership numbers. The MEC is at 12 members now and will have 12 next year with 2 new members replacing 2 departing members.

Yes, please.

(03-27-2019 05:55 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 04:35 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 12:32 AM)AZcats Wrote:  This is old news and it should not come as a surprise. It's not as if someone wasn't trying to tell you they would stay D2.

(10-27-2018 01:30 PM) Wrote:  Metro State will go through the motion of doing the study but it will show that D2 is where they should be.

The Lone Star will have only 19 members next year but it doesn't matter anyway because D2 conferences do not generate revenue for its members like it is done in D1. It is also not uncommon to have larger conferences in D2. The PSAC will have 18 again next year, the NSIC and RMAC have 16, the GLVC will return to 16 next year, and the GLIAC, the GSC, and the NE10 previously had 16 members.

MEAC gains one in Frostburg State, but could lose Wheeling Jesuit since they are getting closer to be closing.

Frostburg is a replacement for Shepherd. Even though Shepherd is in WV, they are closer to half of their new conference than they were to nearly all of the Mountain East schools (you literally have to drive through an adjoining state to get between Shepherd and the rest of WV.)

Yes, the MEC is not gaining membership numbers. The MEC is at 12 members now and will have 12 next year with 2 new members replacing 2 departing members.

They could lose Wheeling Jesuit after this spring semester. It is not good news for schools right now in the northeast.

I wonder if they'd reconsider if they were able to bring in a pair of CO schools.

I guess plan B is Azusa Pacific and/or Texas schools.

Reality is moving to Division I from Division II isn't as simple as adding a few scholarships. In some cases, the broader Division II programs awarding max Division II aid are basically there in meeting the minimum aid requirements of Division I.

But when you start comparing salary outlays for coaches, the travel costs, and the compliance costs Division I can quickly become a money pit.

Look a Saginaw State a larger Division II program and they just got slapped around by the NCAA primarily because they lacked staffing to do compliance like it needs to be done.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/educati...275405002/

(03-27-2019 08:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Reality is moving to Division I from Division II isn't as simple as adding a few scholarships. In some cases, the broader Division II programs awarding max Division II aid are basically there in meeting the minimum aid requirements of Division I.

But when you start comparing salary outlays for coaches, the travel costs, and the compliance costs Division I can quickly become a money pit.

Look a Saginaw State a larger Division II program and they just got slapped around by the NCAA primarily because they lacked staffing to do compliance like it needs to be done.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/educati...275405002/

It may come down how many schools will be left in D2, 3 and NAIA. You have 2 NAIA, 5 D3 including a former school that dropped sports and a possible D2 school in West VIRGINIA to close. You more also have more closers in NAIA, D2 and D3. Some FCS schools are also on the brink of closing. For survival? Schools need to do thes moves before more schools close down.

(03-27-2019 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Reality is moving to Division I from Division II isn't as simple as adding a few scholarships. In some cases, the broader Division II programs awarding max Division II aid are basically there in meeting the minimum aid requirements of Division I.

But when you start comparing salary outlays for coaches, the travel costs, and the compliance costs Division I can quickly become a money pit.

Look a Saginaw State a larger Division II program and they just got slapped around by the NCAA primarily because they lacked staffing to do compliance like it needs to be done.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/educati...275405002/

It may come down how many schools will be left in D2, 3 and NAIA. You have 2 NAIA, 5 D3 including a former school that dropped sports and a possible D2 school in West VIRGINIA to close. You more also have more closers in NAIA, D2 and D3. Some FCS schools are also on the brink of closing. For survival? Schools need to do thes moves before more schools close down.

Please name, and back up with current links, the FCS schools on the brink of closing.


Note: Current means this year
NoteII: Some means more than a couple

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months to a few years if more D2 schools particularly in the larger conferences decided to move up to D1

(03-27-2019 09:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Reality is moving to Division I from Division II isn't as simple as adding a few scholarships. In some cases, the broader Division II programs awarding max Division II aid are basically there in meeting the minimum aid requirements of Division I.

But when you start comparing salary outlays for coaches, the travel costs, and the compliance costs Division I can quickly become a money pit.

Look a Saginaw State a larger Division II program and they just got slapped around by the NCAA primarily because they lacked staffing to do compliance like it needs to be done.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/educati...275405002/

It may come down how many schools will be left in D2, 3 and NAIA. You have 2 NAIA, 5 D3 including a former school that dropped sports and a possible D2 school in West VIRGINIA to close. You more also have more closers in NAIA, D2 and D3. Some FCS schools are also on the brink of closing. For survival? Schools need to do thes moves before more schools close down.

Please name, and back up with current links, the FCS schools on the brink of closing.


Note: Current means this year
NoteII: Some means more than a couple

Bethune-Cookman Crisis

I posred the Howard U.'s issues in the schools closing thread. I would not be surprise that Presbyterian are in the same boat as other smaller private schools closing.

(03-27-2019 09:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 09:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Reality is moving to Division I from Division II isn't as simple as adding a few scholarships. In some cases, the broader Division II programs awarding max Division II aid are basically there in meeting the minimum aid requirements of Division I.

But when you start comparing salary outlays for coaches, the travel costs, and the compliance costs Division I can quickly become a money pit.

Look a Saginaw State a larger Division II program and they just got slapped around by the NCAA primarily because they lacked staffing to do compliance like it needs to be done.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/educati...275405002/

It may come down how many schools will be left in D2, 3 and NAIA. You have 2 NAIA, 5 D3 including a former school that dropped sports and a possible D2 school in West VIRGINIA to close. You more also have more closers in NAIA, D2 and D3. Some FCS schools are also on the brink of closing. For survival? Schools need to do thes moves before more schools close down.

Please name, and back up with current links, the FCS schools on the brink of closing.


Note: Current means this year
NoteII: Some means more than a couple

Bethune-Cookman Crisis

I posred the Howard U.'s issues in the schools closing thread. I would not be surprise that Presbyterian are in the same boat as other smaller private schools closing.

Yeah, we already knew he would not be able to answer the question correctly.

I asked for a link from this year

You posted an old link and there are more current links showing while BCU is still struggling they’re nowhere close to closing




If you are thinking that Howard university is going to close then you might as well put in most every private school Howard has an endowment close to 3/4 of $1 billion Neither Howard nor BC you will be closing anytime soon you can take that to the bank This just shows how ignorant you are of reality

Please show me the links indicating that Presbyterian is in danger of closing

Good decision. Metro is far better suited to D-II than DI. As a commuter school with mostly older, nontraditional students, below average academics, low graduation rates and very limited resources, I think it would be a very tough slog for them to compete in D-I.

(03-27-2019 11:28 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I asked for a link from this year

You posted an old link and there are more current links showing well VCU is still struggling they’re nowhere close to closing




If you are thinking that Howard university is going to close then you might as well put in most every private school Howard has an endowment close to 3/4 of $1 billion Neither Howard nor BC you will be closing anytime soon you can take that to the bank This just shows how ignorant you are of reality

Please show me the links indicating that Presbyterian is in danger of closing

With an endowment of about $100 million and a little over a thousand students, they are quite wealthy.

(03-27-2019 11:28 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I asked for a link from this year

You posted an old link and there are more current links showing well VCU is still struggling they’re nowhere close to closing




If you are thinking that Howard university is going to close then you might as well put in most every private school Howard has an endowment close to 3/4 of $1 billion Neither Howard nor BC you will be closing anytime soon you can take that to the bank This just shows how ignorant you are of reality

Please show me the links indicating that Presbyterian is in danger of closing

With an endowment of about $100 million and a little over a thousand students, Presbyterian is quite wealthy.

(03-27-2019 10:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 07:09 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Probably need to focus on D2 football schools.
I wonder if they talked to Azusa Pacific about interest in moving up?
And I have not heard any talk here in Amarillo about WTAMU looking to move up.

I wonder if the Montana’s would allow MSU-Billings to move up.

MSU-Billings was thinking of adding football as well.

MSU-Billings soundly rejected the idea of adding football

(03-31-2019 09:57 AM)billings Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 07:09 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Probably need to focus on D2 football schools.
I wonder if they talked to Azusa Pacific about interest in moving up?
And I have not heard any talk here in Amarillo about WTAMU looking to move up.

I wonder if the Montana’s would allow MSU-Billings to move up.

MSU-Billings was thinking of adding football as well.

MSU-Billings soundly rejected the idea of adding football

David has been told that many times. This link to the June 2015 results of the feasibility study might help: http://www.msubillings.edu/urelations/re...iblity.htm.

Coincidentally, the spring 2015 season was the last season for tennis at MSUB.