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(02-28-2020 11:19 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 11:08 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 08:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Green will be the key next year. I can't remember having a player as talented and successful have such a down year (unless it was injury related). I wish I knew what happened with him but he has zero confidence right now.

Curry/Hunter
Wade/Oliver
Green
Reece
Ezikpe/Karaiskos

O'Connell will add some depth on the wing. We are actually one of the best rebounding teams in the country. Carver and Ezikpe are two of the best (Carver..the best) rebounders in the conference. Reece/Wade/Oliver all all very good rebounders for their positions.

Would like to see a backup for Reece and another point guard with 2 of the spots. Need to get a PG in the system for a year to be ready to backup Hunter the following year. Save the 13th spot for if someone comes onto the market. I think one of those is going to be filled shortly after the semester ends.

Getting a big that can play will be the key to next season. Kalu has a problem staying on the court due to his incessant fouling, and Karaiskos is at best an unknown for what if anything he will contribute next season. Both Kalu and Karaiskos are on the team this season and they still need a big.

One reason that ODU is among the best rebounding teams is simply because they are among the worst scoring teams. Pretty much every game they play in there is a high number of rebounds to be gotten. Hypothetically speaking - if ODU never missed a shot offensively, they would be among the worst rebounding teams because at one end of the court there would be no rebounds to get (for example). More missed shots (by ODU) equals more rebounds.

Next year I wouldn't count on Green to provide more than he has this season. If he does make a leap forward with his shooting and cut back on his turnovers, great.

Wade will also be an unknown next season. How successfully will he return from season ending knee surgery? Will he be the same player he was before? Only time will tell us.

I don't judge teams on a meaningless stat such as total rebounds. Thats what people did in 1990. ODU is very good when analyzing percentage of rebounds and thus, it does not matter how many missed shots there are.

Well sure, the more one practices doing something the better they should get at it, right? There's probably a reasonable explanation for why the lineage of Denzel Taylor, Brandan Stith, and now Aaron Carver have in successive years been good rebounders - not the least of which is the simple fact that (A) The system of having poor shooters allows them to have large numbers of rebounds available, and (B) Both the individual player and the team concept depends on getting a high share of the rebounds in order to be competitive in most games - so they surely practice it much like Marshall practices a lot on 3 point shots. Bottom line, if ODU was a much better shooting team in recent years, the rebounding stats (for both totals and percentages) would most likely be lower. It is much the same as saying that if ODU went to more of a fast break system offensively - say like Sonny Allen used to coach - their defensive stats would not be the same as they have been under Coach Jones. One thing impacts the other.

The bottomline is that is a very good rebounding team and that isn't because they miss a lot of shots. Its a mentality that is brought on from the coaching staff (which probably explains why they are always a good rebounding team).

More than likley they will be a good rebounding team even losing Carver because Ezikpe, is a very good rebounder. And Wade, Reece, and Oliver are pretty good rebounders for their positions.

(02-28-2020 01:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The bottomline is that is a very good rebounding team and that isn't because they miss a lot of shots. Its a mentality that is brought on from the coaching staff (which probably explains why they are always a good rebounding team).

More than likley they will be a good rebounding team even losing Carver because Ezikpe, is a very good rebounder. And Wade, Reece, and Oliver are pretty good rebounders for their positions.

We are mostly saying the same things here. Not sure how much they can count on Kalu until he shows he can regularly play 20+ minutes a game by staying out of foul trouble. Not sure how much Wade will play. Depends on the outcome of his knee operation.

The bottom line is "yes" Jeff obviously does instill in the team the necessity of pounding the boards, much like he does in instilling his defensive methods on them. Not sold on if that will prove to be a highly successful regimen next season any more than at least some would think it has in the past since he arrived.

I wish we were a very good winning team, regardless of how we rebound.

(02-28-2020 01:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wish we were a very good winning team, regardless of how we rebound.

That's pretty much my take on it as well.

Queue Giles to explain how, statistically, we are a very good winning team, but that our luck metric has been historically bad this year, and accounts for our abysmal record.

(02-28-2020 05:19 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Queue Giles to explain how, statistically, we are a very good winning team, but that our luck metric has been historically bad this year, and accounts for our abysmal record.

Huh? We aren't a good team. Does that mean we can't be a good rebounding team?

I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far as the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

(02-28-2020 06:43 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far fas the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

Welcome to the Wood Selig error, oops, era of Old Dominion athletics.

(02-28-2020 06:43 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far as the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

Extremely well stated.

I see nothing on the horizon that leads me to have any hope our situation will improve any time soon under Jeff Jones

Trolling ain’t easy.

(02-28-2020 06:43 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far as the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

Please tell me who left for greener pastures. For everyone you name I'll name 5 that went to lesser pastures. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes it's just grass.

(03-01-2020 05:40 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 06:43 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far as the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

Please tell me who left for greener pastures. For everyone you name I'll name 5 that went to lesser pastures. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes it's just grass.

But it looks greener to them when they don't have to face a red faced JJ on the sidelines when they come off the court! Discontent over the amount of playing time with visions of more in another program would make it look greened. I think maybe your "rose" colored glasses are fogging up your vision!

This season for the most part is over with only the tournament ahead. Do we have any chance at all in winning it? I wouldn't want to bet my last pay check on it. But how do we approach it with our best guns blazing? All of us on here and throughout the CUSA acknowledge that we are a very poor shooting team. What is the most important thing a poor shooting team can do to enhance their possibilities of winning? The answer is REBOUND!! Yes we are gonna miss a lot of shots but by rebounding well we will get more opportunities to make some put backs. Therefore I think our best chance to be competitive in the tournament is to start our best rebounding team. That would be: 1) Curry 2) Green 3) Reece 4) Carver 5) Ezipke. Hunter, Oliver and Pilavious get the bulk of substitute time. There will be no tomorrow so pull out all the stops. If Ezipke fouls out in the first 5 minutes, so be it. He doesn't do us any good sitting on the bench nursing 3 or 4 fouls. Just my take, what do we have to lose?

Are we a basketball program or a terrorist organization? Players are now scared to voice their opinion bc they are scared?

(03-01-2020 07:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Are we a basketball program or a terrorist organization? Players are now scared to voice their opinion bc they are scared?

Please explain. Scared of who?

This conference no team has more that 20 wins. No team has more than a two game streak, win or lose. I think it's wide open.

(03-01-2020 07:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Are we a basketball program or a terrorist organization? Players are now scared to voice their opinion bc they are scared?

Very strange question. Terrorist are constantly "voicing" their opinion every time they commit an act of terrorism.

Probably should have used a different example to make your point.

Pretty sure it was rhetorical. He's being facetious

(03-01-2020 05:40 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  

(02-28-2020 06:43 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  I sit here day after day and read the posts on these boards, both negative and positive. You can see the frustrations in all of them. Some show their frustrations in different ways (the pot is either half full or half empty). As for myself, following this program from early 60's, I have come to expect more than what we have been dealt the past 7 or so years under Jeff Jones. At least with Blaine Taylor even when we lost, it was exciting and you just knew improvement was just around the corner and that better recruits were on the way. Now we know there will be no better recruiting, the style of play will continue to be the same old boring JJ approach. Border line Div I players were all we could possibly hope for. Positions needed were not considered when recruiting and therefore, players would have to be forced into playing positions there were not accustomed to. When things don't work out, the players were blamed and chastised in front of fans, family and TV nation. Players leaving the program for greener pastures and not willing to own up as to why in fear of it coming back to haunt them. As far as the future of this program goes, don't see much improvement in the near future under the same leadership. Either accept the same old mediocrity or demand changes (and we all know how that can be accomplished from our football experiences).

Please tell me who left for greener pastures. For everyone you name I'll name 5 that went to lesser pastures. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes it's just grass.

I mean, I get the point from both sides. But to act like we've never had someone leave for a better program is a little misleading too right?

(1) Nevada
(2) Iowa State
(3) Boston College

You really don't have to name 15 if you don't want to...