(03-09-2019 12:25 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 04:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 03:32 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 01:27 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 12:51 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Since going division I over 40 years ago, football has never been our best program. Even in the brief Harkema days we had programs that were stronger.

Other programs have produced individual national champions and All-Americans. Olympians. They've had regionally competitive teams, even nationally competitive teams. They've produced many MAC champions, individuals and teams.

We're killing what what we do well to emphasize what we don't do well.

As for these schools joining MAC wrestling, most, perhaps all, compete at a higher level than MAC football.

These are mostly Division 2 schools! Don't let facts get in your way......

I wonder if you understand how college sports other than football work. There are plenty of outstanding Div I athletic teams that are not football powers. Minnesota-Duluth, not the big ten school, is the reigning hockey champion. Coastal Carolina won the College World Series three years ago. Northern Arizona is the three time defending champion in cross country. Villanova has a recent basketball championship.

Of all people you should know not to make fun of schools. I'm sure your son had to put up with a few snickers when he accepted a scholarship to EMU. I doubt you lyfao about that.

Thankfully, one of his best qualities is that he doesn't worry about the naysayers, and what other people think.

If he would have listened to folks like yourself, he most definitely wouldn't have gone to EMU. Fortunately, he believed in himself, and had a positive vision of how he might help make EMU football a better program.

Upon his commitment, to the outside world, there was no realistic reason to believe EMU football would ever go to a bowl game, or that an unknown 2 star recruit had even the slightest chance to play in the NFL one day.

With no guarantees or promises, the odds stacked against them, the football world laughing, an unfair playing field to conquer, and their own fans & alumni taking shots.........the coaches, players, and staff have overcome ALL OF THAT to make all real EMU football fans proud of a legitimate program on the rise.

YOU, of all people, should soak in the life lessons from this team. Keep watching, stop talking nonsense and bashing, and enjoy the ride instead of hating.

A little something that made me think of you and Wickersham...........


"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Certainly i would not discouraged someone from going to EMU. I hope your son fulfills his dream of playing in the NFL, and if he doesn't make it there, then that he is successful in whatever he does.

EMU 's athletic strength, at least in Div I, has never been football and it never will be, not for an extended time anyway. There are simply too many obstacles. But we can be successful from time to time. By successful i mean one of the top two teams in the league. That's within our reach.

Making changes to the infrastructure will not improve our long term success in the conference. At best, it's trying to keep up with the competition.

Dropping sports will not help football. This is not the first time we dropped sports and the football program did not get one bit better.

Define success for EMU football - a national championship? Unlikely. Competing for a MAC championship, defeating the occasional P5 team, and being in a position for a bowl game - hell yes.

I'm really tired of your all or nothing BS. If the wrestling program were that prominent a part of EMU, then it would have had significantly more boosters, more $$$$, and considerations to eliminate the program would have been dismissed. I'm assuming this is why in some ways we still have baseball and outdoor track - a history of success, prominent boosters, and the facilities to compete.

Who in the hell suggested that dropping these sports would help the football team? It was a budget decision, and someone was going to lose. Nothing more.

As for the infrastructure improvements - a parent of a recruit just told all of us how important such things are to the decision-making process. Please don't ignore this direct evidence that our new additions won't matter. Or put your head back in the sand, whatever....

(03-09-2019 12:25 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 04:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 03:32 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 01:27 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 12:51 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Since going division I over 40 years ago, football has never been our best program. Even in the brief Harkema days we had programs that were stronger.

Other programs have produced individual national champions and All-Americans. Olympians. They've had regionally competitive teams, even nationally competitive teams. They've produced many MAC champions, individuals and teams.

We're killing what what we do well to emphasize what we don't do well.

As for these schools joining MAC wrestling, most, perhaps all, compete at a higher level than MAC football.

These are mostly Division 2 schools! Don't let facts get in your way......

I wonder if you understand how college sports other than football work. There are plenty of outstanding Div I athletic teams that are not football powers. Minnesota-Duluth, not the big ten school, is the reigning hockey champion. Coastal Carolina won the College World Series three years ago. Northern Arizona is the three time defending champion in cross country. Villanova has a recent basketball championship.

Of all people you should know not to make fun of schools. I'm sure your son had to put up with a few snickers when he accepted a scholarship to EMU. I doubt you lyfao about that.

Thankfully, one of his best qualities is that he doesn't worry about the naysayers, and what other people think.

If he would have listened to folks like yourself, he most definitely wouldn't have gone to EMU. Fortunately, he believed in himself, and had a positive vision of how he might help make EMU football a better program.

Upon his commitment, to the outside world, there was no realistic reason to believe EMU football would ever go to a bowl game, or that an unknown 2 star recruit had even the slightest chance to play in the NFL one day.

With no guarantees or promises, the odds stacked against them, the football world laughing, an unfair playing field to conquer, and their own fans & alumni taking shots.........the coaches, players, and staff have overcome ALL OF THAT to make all real EMU football fans proud of a legitimate program on the rise.

YOU, of all people, should soak in the life lessons from this team. Keep watching, stop talking nonsense and bashing, and enjoy the ride instead of hating.

A little something that made me think of you and Wickersham...........


"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Certainly i would not discouraged someone from going to EMU. I hope your son fulfills his dream of playing in the NFL, and if he doesn't make it there, then that he is successful in whatever he does.

EMU 's athletic strength, at least in Div I, has never been football and it never will be, not for an extended time anyway. There are simply too many obstacles. But we can be successful from time to time. By successful i mean one of the top two teams in the league. That's within our reach.

Making changes to the infrastructure will not improve our long term success in the conference. At best, it's trying to keep up with the competition.

Dropping sports will not help football. This is not the first time we dropped sports and the football program did not get one bit better.

Basically everything you type is discouraging on some level for alumni, coaches, athletes, etc. I'm not sure you really are as big an EMU fan as you claim. Your probably just as miserable in real life as you type.

(03-09-2019 01:40 PM)Huron Boy Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 12:25 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 04:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 03:32 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 01:27 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  These are mostly Division 2 schools! Don't let facts get in your way......

I wonder if you understand how college sports other than football work. There are plenty of outstanding Div I athletic teams that are not football powers. Minnesota-Duluth, not the big ten school, is the reigning hockey champion. Coastal Carolina won the College World Series three years ago. Northern Arizona is the three time defending champion in cross country. Villanova has a recent basketball championship.

Of all people you should know not to make fun of schools. I'm sure your son had to put up with a few snickers when he accepted a scholarship to EMU. I doubt you lyfao about that.

Thankfully, one of his best qualities is that he doesn't worry about the naysayers, and what other people think.

If he would have listened to folks like yourself, he most definitely wouldn't have gone to EMU. Fortunately, he believed in himself, and had a positive vision of how he might help make EMU football a better program.

Upon his commitment, to the outside world, there was no realistic reason to believe EMU football would ever go to a bowl game, or that an unknown 2 star recruit had even the slightest chance to play in the NFL one day.

With no guarantees or promises, the odds stacked against them, the football world laughing, an unfair playing field to conquer, and their own fans & alumni taking shots.........the coaches, players, and staff have overcome ALL OF THAT to make all real EMU football fans proud of a legitimate program on the rise.

YOU, of all people, should soak in the life lessons from this team. Keep watching, stop talking nonsense and bashing, and enjoy the ride instead of hating.

A little something that made me think of you and Wickersham...........


"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Certainly i would not discouraged someone from going to EMU. I hope your son fulfills his dream of playing in the NFL, and if he doesn't make it there, then that he is successful in whatever he does.

EMU 's athletic strength, at least in Div I, has never been football and it never will be, not for an extended time anyway. There are simply too many obstacles. But we can be successful from time to time. By successful i mean one of the top two teams in the league. That's within our reach.

Making changes to the infrastructure will not improve our long term success in the conference. At best, it's trying to keep up with the competition.

Dropping sports will not help football. This is not the first time we dropped sports and the football program did not get one bit better.

Define success for EMU football - a national championship? Unlikely. Competing for a MAC championship, defeating the occasional P5 team, and being in a position for a bowl game - hell yes.

I'm really tired of your all or nothing BS. If the wrestling program were that prominent a part of EMU, then it would have had significantly more boosters, more $$$$, and considerations to eliminate the program would have been dismissed. I'm assuming this is why in some ways we still have baseball and outdoor track - a history of success, prominent boosters, and the facilities to compete.

Who in the hell suggested that dropping these sports would help the football team? It was a budget decision, and someone was going to lose. Nothing more.

As for the infrastructure improvements - a parent of a recruit just told all of us how important such things are to the decision-making process. Please don't ignore this direct evidence that our new additions won't matter. Or put your head back in the sand, whatever....

An alumnus who was an acquaintance of mine was a highly decorated war hero by both the US and France for his quick thinking during the invasion of France. He was also an Olympic wrestling coach. He donated a large amount of money to the wrestling program. I believe it was $500,000. Our crooked U kept the endowment when they cut the program. And you think they didn't have prominent donors. Who has their head in the sand?

And you think our track team has competitive facilitates. They just got done crowd funding for basic equipment. A program that has produced dozens of MAC team championships, individual champions, NCAA champions, American champions, Olympic medalists and even a world champion is crowd funding for basic equipment while the football team stays in a hotel for HOME games. It doesn't get more absurd than that.

The evidence of history far outweighs what one recruit, who i believe said Creighton was the biggest factor, when it comes to facilities. Recruiting services are largely unimpressed by our latest class.

The enduring strength of our athletic program will never be football, not in FBS.

Dear ljmhurons,
The donation that you speak about from Dean Rockwell's estate was sizable. However, if it were placed in an endowment, that money stays with the university regardless of future changes in the university. It was also donated almost fifteen years ago, and not knowing, again, if it were an endowment, how the money may have been dispersed, how much may still be there.
Rockwell's donation to the wrestling program may have been a factor in keeping the program afloat.
Many football players and former players at Eastern, have donated sizable amounts towards the Championship Facility that is now being built at the North end of Rynearson. My point being that I believe this will help not only the football program, but other sports that will be using the facility as well. It is too early to tell whether football will be the enduring strength of our athletic program.

(03-10-2019 09:22 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 01:40 PM)Huron Boy Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 12:25 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 04:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 03:32 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  I wonder if you understand how college sports other than football work. There are plenty of outstanding Div I athletic teams that are not football powers. Minnesota-Duluth, not the big ten school, is the reigning hockey champion. Coastal Carolina won the College World Series three years ago. Northern Arizona is the three time defending champion in cross country. Villanova has a recent basketball championship.

Of all people you should know not to make fun of schools. I'm sure your son had to put up with a few snickers when he accepted a scholarship to EMU. I doubt you lyfao about that.

Thankfully, one of his best qualities is that he doesn't worry about the naysayers, and what other people think.

If he would have listened to folks like yourself, he most definitely wouldn't have gone to EMU. Fortunately, he believed in himself, and had a positive vision of how he might help make EMU football a better program.

Upon his commitment, to the outside world, there was no realistic reason to believe EMU football would ever go to a bowl game, or that an unknown 2 star recruit had even the slightest chance to play in the NFL one day.

With no guarantees or promises, the odds stacked against them, the football world laughing, an unfair playing field to conquer, and their own fans & alumni taking shots.........the coaches, players, and staff have overcome ALL OF THAT to make all real EMU football fans proud of a legitimate program on the rise.

YOU, of all people, should soak in the life lessons from this team. Keep watching, stop talking nonsense and bashing, and enjoy the ride instead of hating.

A little something that made me think of you and Wickersham...........


"When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves."

Certainly i would not discouraged someone from going to EMU. I hope your son fulfills his dream of playing in the NFL, and if he doesn't make it there, then that he is successful in whatever he does.

EMU 's athletic strength, at least in Div I, has never been football and it never will be, not for an extended time anyway. There are simply too many obstacles. But we can be successful from time to time. By successful i mean one of the top two teams in the league. That's within our reach.

Making changes to the infrastructure will not improve our long term success in the conference. At best, it's trying to keep up with the competition.

Dropping sports will not help football. This is not the first time we dropped sports and the football program did not get one bit better.

Define success for EMU football - a national championship? Unlikely. Competing for a MAC championship, defeating the occasional P5 team, and being in a position for a bowl game - hell yes.

I'm really tired of your all or nothing BS. If the wrestling program were that prominent a part of EMU, then it would have had significantly more boosters, more $$$$, and considerations to eliminate the program would have been dismissed. I'm assuming this is why in some ways we still have baseball and outdoor track - a history of success, prominent boosters, and the facilities to compete.

Who in the hell suggested that dropping these sports would help the football team? It was a budget decision, and someone was going to lose. Nothing more.

As for the infrastructure improvements - a parent of a recruit just told all of us how important such things are to the decision-making process. Please don't ignore this direct evidence that our new additions won't matter. Or put your head back in the sand, whatever....

An alumnus who was an acquaintance of mine was a highly decorated war hero by both the US and France for his quick thinking during the invasion of France. He was also an Olympic wrestling coach. He donated a large amount of money to the wrestling program. I believe it was $500,000. Our crooked U kept the endowment when they cut the program. And you think they didn't have prominent donors. Who has their head in the sand?

And you think our track team has competitive facilitates. They just got done crowd funding for basic equipment. A program that has produced dozens of MAC team championships, individual champions, NCAA champions, American champions, Olympic medalists and even a world champion is crowd funding for basic equipment while the football team stays in a hotel for HOME games. It doesn't get more absurd than that.

The evidence of history far outweighs what one recruit, who i believe said Creighton was the biggest facter, when it comes to facilities. Recruiting services are largely unimpressed by our latest class.

The enduring strength of our athletic program will never be football, not in FBS.

Whatever. I tried...

(03-10-2019 10:03 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear ljmhurons,
The donation that you speak about from Dean Rockwell's estate was sizable. However, if it were placed in an endowment, that money stays with the university regardless of future changes in the university. It was also donated almost fifteen years ago, and not knowing, again, if it were an endowment, how the money may have been dispersed, how much may still be there.
Rockwell's donation to the wrestling program may have been a factor in keeping the program afloat.
Many football players and former players at Eastern, have donated sizable amounts towards the Championship Facility that is now being built at the North end of Rynearson. My point being that I believe this will help not only the football program, but other sports that will be using the facility as well. It is too early to tell whether football will be the enduring strength of our athletic program.

You don't know if football will be the enduring strength of our athletic program? How many decades will it take to convince you it won't? Four isn't enough?

The problem with our program cannot be corrected with facilities. Uofm sucks the blood out of us. No media. No fan base. Alumni that prefer uofm to EMU. Alumni that don't care about their alma mater at all. Transient administrators that just pass through. None of that will change.

FIVE former EMU wrestlers made the NCAA tournament. We have a new scoreboard.

(03-13-2019 09:43 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  FIVE former EMU wrestlers made the NCAA tournament. We have a new scoreboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtb6XBBBRc

(03-13-2019 09:54 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 09:43 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  FIVE former EMU wrestlers made the NCAA tournament. We have a new scoreboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtb6XBBBRc

I couldn't find a 'broken record' emoticon.

Yeah, let's just ignore ljm on this thread at let it sink to the bottom. No need to keep this pointless thread.

Former EMU swimmer Carter Swift helped Arizona State set a school record and became an All-American on the first day of the NCAA championship meet.

At the wrestling championships our former All-American was introduced as being a transfer from "that school in Ypsilanti."

What a dumb administration.

Glad those student athletes are doing well.

But nobody cares. And I mean nobody.

(03-13-2019 10:25 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Yeah, let's just ignore ljm on this thread at let it sink to the bottom. No need to keep this pointless thread.

Exactly Frank! There is NOTHING positive or constructive coming from one poster on this board. It's hard to refrain from responding to his ridiculous comments but I suggest we all just press the "ignore" button to anything he posts.

(03-28-2019 12:46 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Glad those student athletes are doing well.

But nobody cares. And I mean nobody.

I believe you. That's why our basketball games are played in an empty arena. And why our football team is at or near the bottom of FBS in attendance every year. We cover up large parts of the Convo and Rynearson seating to try and hide the fact and they still look empty.

I know you don't care, just like most EMU alumni.