Again, simply unrealistic expectations for freshman with their rankings. If anybody thought they were going to come in and dominate or play at an all conference level that is on the individual with unrealistic expectations. They are undersized guards that need at least a full season to develop and figure the college game out. Both have shown they can play at this level and compete at a high level in flashes. They just have to become consistent, this is what should have been expected for players at their recruiting ranking. Take a deep breathe and give them time...

(02-07-2019 10:14 PM)slaphappydawg Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:56 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:07 PM)KelSheey Wrote:  Why Penny continues to play Lomax is beyond me.

Not trying to be insulting, but never seen a basketball player run on his tip toes like lomax, hard to move any direction but forward, that doesn’t do much for you in basketball . It’s starting to freak me out like brewtons shorts were!

Huh? Watch videos of elite quick PGs that's normal and basically what they teach you starting on middle school. Easier to chop step and change direction

I like Lomax. Not as a shooter, but as a pure point guard. He will get there.

Yep. Let's give these guys a break. They're freshman finding their way at a whole new level following enormous success in high school. We've seen flashes of their potential this season. Having a season under their belts will make a world of difference going into next season.

(02-07-2019 09:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:56 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:07 PM)KelSheey Wrote:  Why Penny continues to play Lomax is beyond me.

Not trying to be insulting, but never seen a basketball player run on his tip toes like lomax, hard to move any direction but forward, that doesn’t do much for you in basketball . It’s starting to freak me out like brewtons shorts were!

Huh? Watch videos of elite quick PGs that's normal and basically what they teach you starting on middle school. Easier to chop step and change direction

Exactly. ALo is a very skilled player with high BBall IQ. He does so many things that help the team. If you're a follow the ball and only pay attention to points kind of guy you might not ever like ALo. But if you watch the flow of offense, how he fights for rebounds and 50/50 balls, and his defensive tenacity you'll really really like the guy. Amazes me how we loved Antonio Anderson but dog the **** out of ALo.

Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

And to address OP, YES T.Harris will win some games for us.

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

The problem with Harris isn't the expectations though, I think we all know the talent he is. The problem is that he is actively and purposefully hurting the team and our staff is allowing it (maybe supporting it). He is routinely taking early shot clock, low percentage deep 3 pointers that are triggering runs for the other team. On defense he takes insane middle of the floor gambles that trigger rotations across our D. He had been doing this for 20+ games now and his playing time and playing style have barely changed.

He will be a great one for us once he learns how to play the mid-range but right now he needs some coaching.

(02-08-2019 09:06 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

The problem with Harris isn't the expectations though, I think we all know the talent he is. The problem is that he is actively and purposefully hurting the team and our staff is allowing it (maybe supporting it). He is routinely taking early shot clock, low percentage deep 3 pointers that are triggering runs for the other team. On defense he takes insane middle of the floor gambles that trigger rotations across our D. He had been doing this for 20+ games now and his playing time and playing style have barely changed.

He will be a great one for us once he learns how to play the mid-range but right now he needs some coaching.

When he's the best shooter on the team(and with the most range), you will allow a lot of shots that you wouldn't like another player to take.
Defensively he could definitley be better but I feel our defense as whole lunge out at players and gamble entirely too much putting the help defender in bad spots.
As far as playing time, I'm sure they keep him on the floor bc again he's the best shooter. Only played 16min last night.

I'm not worried about the freshman. They'll be fine. Seniors is where it lies. Outside of Martin we didn't get much from anybody else. But Martin and Brewton combined for 7 TOs while Harris/Alo combine for 3. You want your seniors to be better than that.

Davenport had a very quiet double double.

(02-07-2019 10:27 PM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:14 PM)slaphappydawg Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:56 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:07 PM)KelSheey Wrote:  Why Penny continues to play Lomax is beyond me.

Not trying to be insulting, but never seen a basketball player run on his tip toes like lomax, hard to move any direction but forward, that doesn’t do much for you in basketball . It’s starting to freak me out like brewtons shorts were!

Huh? Watch videos of elite quick PGs that's normal and basically what they teach you starting on middle school. Easier to chop step and change direction

I like Lomax. Not as a shooter, but as a pure point guard. He will get there.

Yep. Don't judge Lomax til 2022.

until then we need an actual point guard

(02-08-2019 08:45 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:56 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:07 PM)KelSheey Wrote:  Why Penny continues to play Lomax is beyond me.

Not trying to be insulting, but never seen a basketball player run on his tip toes like lomax, hard to move any direction but forward, that doesn’t do much for you in basketball . It’s starting to freak me out like brewtons shorts were!

Huh? Watch videos of elite quick PGs that's normal and basically what they teach you starting on middle school. Easier to chop step and change direction

Exactly. ALo is a very skilled player with high BBall IQ. He does so many things that help the team. If you're a follow the ball and only pay attention to points kind of guy you might not ever like ALo. But if you watch the flow of offense, how he fights for rebounds and 50/50 balls, and his defensive tenacity you'll really really like the guy. Amazes me how we loved Antonio Anderson but dog the **** out of ALo.

Antonio didn't clang three's off the back iron when the team desperately didn't need a dumb shot at the time....

to compare Alo to Antonino Anderson is insulting

We're griping about two freshman in ALo and Harris who are by all means having typical freshman years.
Last night they only playing 12 and 16 min respectively. SMH. Let these guys develop.

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Freshman make mistakes. The 2 kids are too short. Lomax can't shoot a 3 to save his life.

Not the problem. The problem are those 5 seniors that, after all this experience, make mistake after mistake. We had limited possessions in the game last night and we wasted way too many of them. A few by Lomax and Harris, all the rest by seniors.

(02-08-2019 08:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Again, simply unrealistic expectations for freshman with their rankings. If anybody thought they were going to come in and dominate or play at an all conference level that is on the individual with unrealistic expectations. They are undersized guards that need at least a full season to develop and figure the college game out. Both have shown they can play at this level and compete at a high level in flashes. They just have to become consistent, this is what should have been expected for players at their recruiting ranking. Take a deep breathe and give them time...

Great post +3. Some of our fans are unrealistic. I wanna win just as much as the next guy but realize the hole we’ve been thrown into. We are digging our way out. Talent level will be totally different next year.

Every single one of you bitching were positive we had to have these kids. Get a life.

Shirley Temple never saw Kwame brown play, that Dude was 6. 11 and ran on his tip toes

First you call out Alex Lomax, now it's Tyler Harris...grow up

(02-08-2019 09:54 AM)MemphisMojo Wrote:  Every single one of you bitching were positive we had to have these kids. Get a life.

And they will be good players. You just can’t expect +100 recruits to change me in and be stars immediately. By time they are seniors they will be better than the seniors we have now with the exception of Martin.

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:45 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:56 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:07 PM)KelSheey Wrote:  Why Penny continues to play Lomax is beyond me.

Not trying to be insulting, but never seen a basketball player run on his tip toes like lomax, hard to move any direction but forward, that doesn’t do much for you in basketball . It’s starting to freak me out like brewtons shorts were!

Huh? Watch videos of elite quick PGs that's normal and basically what they teach you starting on middle school. Easier to chop step and change direction

Exactly. ALo is a very skilled player with high BBall IQ. He does so many things that help the team. If you're a follow the ball and only pay attention to points kind of guy you might not ever like ALo. But if you watch the flow of offense, how he fights for rebounds and 50/50 balls, and his defensive tenacity you'll really really like the guy. Amazes me how we loved Antonio Anderson but dog the **** out of ALo.

Antonio didn't clang three's off the back iron when the team desperately didn't need a dumb shot at the time....

to compare Alo to Antonino Anderson is insulting

You can choose to twist the point if you like. But the point is, they are the same style players who fill similar roles. Neither were/are being looked at to lead the team in scoring or provide baskets at key times. Both were defensive assets. Both rebound(ed) well. Both were/are leaders of the team verbally.

Antonio was a 4star 0.9807 247 composite.
ALo was a 3star 0.9233 247 composite.

https://247sports.com/Player/Antonio-Anderson-66233/
https://247sports.com/player/alex-lomax-92337/

I'm not saying ALo will progress the same as Antonio Anderson. I'm not saying ALo will have the same type of teamates AA had. That is yet to be seen. But don't forget AA was a freshman too. They are very very similar at this point in their careers. They are the same "glue guy" their team needs.

Just don't try to turn ALo into a player he isn't. He adds a lot to this team and will add more in the future. I honestly think the biggest difference is that ALo is a Memphis kid who we already knew. We expect him to be further along in the maturation process than what is reasonable to expect. AA came from Massachusetts. We didn't know him as well and therefore didn't have a predestined path lined up for him.

ALo is a tough, physical player who can run the O as a true point guard. He hustles and has a nose for the ball making him a great rebounder. He's the first guy on the floor when there is a loose ball. His defensive tenacity is unmatched by any of his teammates. The weakness of his game right now is his outside shot and lack of a midrange shot. He will improve as a shooter. He will learn (like Joe Jackson did) to shoot a mid range floater/jump shot vs going to rim vs large oak trees. Try to remember that he is a freshman doing a lot of things very well.

Patience people...

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Sometimes when you're open there is a reason. This is esp true vs good coaches. ALo is not a good shooter.