(02-08-2019 12:03 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:06 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

The problem with Harris isn't the expectations though, I think we all know the talent he is. The problem is that he is actively and purposefully hurting the team and our staff is allowing it (maybe supporting it). He is routinely taking early shot clock, low percentage deep 3 pointers that are triggering runs for the other team. On defense he takes insane middle of the floor gambles that trigger rotations across our D. He had been doing this for 20+ games now and his playing time and playing style have barely changed.

He will be a great one for us once he learns how to play the mid-range but right now he needs some coaching.

People, please take a deep breathe and think before you post. Or read your post before you actually post.

So, your asinine conclusion is that Harris is purposefully hurting the team and our staff is possibly supporting his hurting of the team? Really? I mean, really? Come on...

Ehh.. I may have worded it a bit too strongly. Didn't mean he is sabotaging the team just meant that the things that are hurting the team (deep pull up 3s outside of offense early in shot clock, gambles in bad spots, etc.) are decisions being made and not just mistakes (e.g. bouncing it off your foot, bad pass timing, ect.). My overall point is that the mistakes being made are definitely coachable but are still reappearing every single game.

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

He is a bad three point shooter. I get that. I simply pointing out that you can be a successful PG without being a good three point shooter... I assure you he will spend all summer in the gym working on shooting. This year is what it is though, he is not going to dramatically improve at this point in the season.

(02-08-2019 09:27 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  We're griping about two freshman in ALo and Harris who are by all means having typical freshman years.
Last night they only playing 12 and 16 min respectively. SMH. Let these guys develop.

This right here. We all know that freshmen are going to have up and down nights. That's just the way it is. No reason to bash the kids. These are Memphis kids too. I hate we lost last night too, but some of you guys need to step back just a little.

some of you guys really need to take a deep breath and think about things a little. We all knew this group of guys were not gonna miraculously become world beaters. This is just the beginning of our new era. Talent level and culture are going to change. Hang in there.

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Everything is much easier at the high school level. They don’t play against the size, strength and speed of the college game. A whole new ball game.

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Addressing your last paragraph. I’m with you 100%. The one thing Harris is supposed to be is a 3 point shooter. And the main reason he’s in the game is for 3 point shooting. And when he doesn’t make those it’s a killer.

This is why Penny is recruiting some guards.

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

He didn't score in HS either. It wasn't scoring that drew interest from d1 schools. He was known for his intangibles. I think he would pair nicely with Parks. He can make a good entry pass.

(02-08-2019 03:35 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Everything is much easier at the high school level. They don’t play against the size, strength and speed of the college game. A whole new ball game.

Right. So in college they take away his ability to drive and create, but they are leaving him wide open on the perimeter. Size and strength don’t have anything to do with why he’s missing those shots. Most of them are uncontested.

(02-08-2019 03:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

He didn't score in HS either. It wasn't scoring that drew interest from d1 schools. He was known for his intangibles. I think he would pair nicely with Parks. He can make a good entry pass.

He scored 1700 points in HS. He wasn’t Joe Jackson, but he put the ball in the bucket quite a few times.

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Again, that is just a not true. You are confusing a scoring PG with a traditional PG. Alo is a traditional PG, Joe Jackson or even Tyler Harris are scoring PGs. They play completely different games. You are trying to assign scoring expectations to a player whose game is not predicated on scoring. He will be a failure his entire career if that is how we judge his game and effectiveness. It is like failing a fish for not flying and ignoring his ability to swim. It is not bird, why are we surprised he is not flying? Alo is not a scoring PG, why are we surprised he is not a great shooter and not scoring in bunches?

He excels at almost every other facet of the game. Even his defense has improved tremendously since the beginning of the year. He still has a ways to go to be a consistently high level contributor but he is clearly figuring out, he just needs time.

(02-08-2019 03:44 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

He didn't score in HS either. It wasn't scoring that drew interest from d1 schools. He was known for his intangibles. I think he would pair nicely with Parks. He can make a good entry pass.

He scored 1700 points in HS. He wasn’t Joe Jackson, but he put the ball in the bucket quite a few times.

That breaks out to what 12 or 13 ppg? In high school...

(02-08-2019 03:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Again, that is just a not true. You are confusing a scoring PG with a traditional PG. Alo is a traditional PG, Joe Jackson or even Tyler Harris are scoring PGs. They play completely different games. You are trying to assign scoring expectations to a player whose game is not predicated on scoring. He will be a failure his entire career if that is how we judge his game and effectiveness. It is like failing a fish for not flying and ignoring his ability to swim. It is not bird, why are we surprised he is not flying? Alo is not a scoring PG, why are we surprised he is not a great shooter and not scoring in bunches?

He excels at almost every other facet of the game. Even his defense has improved tremendously since the beginning of the year. He still has a ways to go to be a consistently high level contributor but he is clearly figuring out, he just needs time.

I think he will get better and I realize he’s not a 3 point bomber. That’s why you’ll see that I’ve stated other ways he can impact the game in previous posts. I’m not asking for much. 25% is considered a dreadful 3 point percentage for a D1 guard. If he could do that, it would be a drastic improvement.

While we’re talking about watching basketball though...just think about some of the teams we’ve played; UALR, ECU, UC (who’s not really known for their 3 point shooting). Even the kid from Temple who’s statistically not a great 3 point shooter. Those teams make 3s if you leave them open. That’s a pretty common thing in D1 ball. If you leave a guard/wing open on the perimeter, more times than not they will make you pay.

(02-08-2019 03:35 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Addressing your last paragraph. I’m with you 100%. The one thing Harris is supposed to be is a 3 point shooter. And the main reason he’s in the game is for 3 point shooting. And when he doesn’t make those it’s a killer.

This is why Penny is recruiting some guards.

Yes it is. I had too high of expectations of the freshmen, that’s for sure. It’s been quite the roller coaster ride with TH, but who knows? Hopefully he’ll end up being a Tiger great.

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Not that this changes anything, but 1 of 21 is 4.8%, not .048%. It's not particularly good either way.

(02-08-2019 04:04 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:52 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  Some of yall expectations were way off to begin with obviously.
ALo plays HARD. He's always hustling and plays good defense. He's not a scorer and never was. He could possibly get better at shooting. He's a freaking freshman. He's gonna have bonehead plays.

Same with Harris. He's our 3rd leading scorer and was the top scorer in the non-conference. He seems to have hit that freshman wall.
Height does factor obviously for both players. But as time goes on they'll learn how to adjust. Going from playing against 6'3 bigs on a nightly basis in high school to 6'8 and up now is a big adjustment.

Goodness give the kids time.

On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Not that this changes anything, but 1 of 21 is 4.8%, not .048%. It's not particularly good either way.

Yeah, I said 5% originally, just pointed out that ESPN stats are saying under 1% but that doesn't add up IF he is 1 of 21. Not sure if that is accurate either.

(02-08-2019 04:04 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:35 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Addressing your last paragraph. I’m with you 100%. The one thing Harris is supposed to be is a 3 point shooter. And the main reason he’s in the game is for 3 point shooting. And when he doesn’t make those it’s a killer.

This is why Penny is recruiting some guards.

Yes it is. I had too high of expectations of the freshmen, that’s for sure. It’s been quite the roller coaster ride with TH, but who knows? Hopefully he’ll end up being a Tiger great.

A lot of our fans expected too much from +100 recruits. I really believe they will both end up being great Tigers!! Just gonna take them some time.

(02-08-2019 03:47 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:37 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  On A Lo....I just never imagined a D1 guard (let alone Mr. Basketball in the state) could be such a poor 3 point shooter. Most of his shots are completely uncontested. There are guys that don’t play college ball that can make wide open shots. I really hope he works on that in the off-season. I’ll be rooting for him.

Nobody cares what your boys in the local church league can do. They shoot because they cannot physically get to the rim without needing a few puffs on the oxygen mask. There is also a massive difference between an overweight 5'10" center waddling out at you and a 6'5" player that can jump 32"+ off the ground.

Watch more college basketball or even the NBA, pure point guards that struggle shooting the three ball are very very common. Steph Curry and Kyle Lowry type of guards are the exception, not the norm for point guards. Most point guards lean toward Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul (although he has become a much better shooter at the back end of his career) shooting.

Ok, so lets list the examples of PGs with major playing time that shoot less than FIVE (5) % from 3....

I am waiting..


according to ESPN stats...

Alex Lomax is shooting .048% from 3.... Hopefully that isn't accurate, but less than 1% from 3. It says 1-21.

Thank you! I hope he gets better. I really do. I hope he ends up being an incredible success story. I’m sure my comments came off as dogging the kid and I’m sorry for that, but he HAS to improve his shot or he can’t be out there. We’ll likely have to lean on him more next year with Martin and Brewton leaving.

Basketball in large part is about shooting; especially if you are short, don’t have crazy hops or speed. My question before was for anyone who knows. How was he successful in HS? Did he get a bunch of buckets driving to the hoop? Was it easier to get a mid-range shot at that level? Just trying to figure out how he got his points.

I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I know the guy isn’t gonna be our leading scorer. It would be nice if he could hit a wide open 3 every once in a while though.

Again, that is just a not true. You are confusing a scoring PG with a traditional PG. Alo is a traditional PG, Joe Jackson or even Tyler Harris are scoring PGs. They play completely different games. You are trying to assign scoring expectations to a player whose game is not predicated on scoring. He will be a failure his entire career if that is how we judge his game and effectiveness. It is like failing a fish for not flying and ignoring his ability to swim. It is not bird, why are we surprised he is not flying? Alo is not a scoring PG, why are we surprised he is not a great shooter and not scoring in bunches?

He excels at almost every other facet of the game. Even his defense has improved tremendously since the beginning of the year. He still has a ways to go to be a consistently high level contributor but he is clearly figuring out, he just needs time.

I'm not convinced. If you are sub-six foot, you really need to excel with either your speed, handles, ability to shoot the ball or a combination of those things. Little guys like Lomax and Harris can't really defend well against bigger guards.

Lomax is only a freshman, but what does he do really well? Harris is supposed to be the shooter and he's pretty quick. He's shown flashes but needs to be more consistent. Maybe that will come with time and experience. Not sure about Lomax, though.

Both Lomax and Harris are very promising young freshman who are quality players, but not transcendent talents.

Any player outside that 5 star / high 4 star player usually needs a year or two to get there.

ALo currently can't shoot at all and has some defensive technique issues, but shows good PG instincts and a lot of dogged hustle. I bet he becomes a quality rotation player as a sophomore and a plus starter in his upper class years.

Harris is small, takes bad shots, but shows a good stroke and necessary confidence. I bet he becomes quality instant offense next year and possibly a small guard whose shooting makes him a starter despite his small frame.

Neither is likely an NBA lottery pick, but both probably play for money, even if it requires a passport.

I think both show promise, but there are some growing pains coming.
It is what it is.

I'm thankful they decided to come here and help, they didn't have to and we should be grateful with all our players for representing the city, even if sometimes, they don't quite live up to expectations...

If Alex Lomax turned out to have Andre allen’s Career (minus the suspension and prostitution arrest), how would that sit with everybody? That seems to me to be his most similar comparison