(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)prosec34 Wrote:  I hate to criticize Jeromy because he's so darned adept at rebounding, but he simply doesn't know how to shoot a free throw. I cannot understand how a kid is a Division I player and doesn't study technique for such a needed skill. His hand motion is all wrong for any consistency - no roll off the fingers or use of body, just shoving the ball in the direction of the basket.

Kills me.

Yes I agree. It is hard to be critical when we support our team so much. But not only Romy but others cannot hit free throws consistently. It cost us a big game last night.

The Bucs have come a long way since that first Wofford game.

We turned the tables in the rebounding game. Outrebounded by 13 the first time around, the Bucs won the rebounding battle by 12 this time 44-32. Jeromy was amazing on the boards with 17, swooping in where he had no right to be. Mladen also got a double/double with 10 rebounds. Finishing was another problem, though. Time after time the tip ins and put backs did not fall. It’s not often you see the Bucs shoot a higher percentage from 3 (43.5%) than from 2 (40.4%).

Most statistical categories were in the Bucs favor: assists (18 to 14), turnovers (10 to 13), steals (8 to 7). Three’s were almost even: ETSU was 10-23 for 43.5%, Wofford was 11-26 for 42.3%. Bucs were bad from the line (8-15 for 53.3%) – but Wofford wasn’t good from the free throw line either (13-21 for 61.9%). The only 2 guys that got to the line for the Terriers were Fletcher Magee (7-9, amazing that he actually missed a couple) and Cam Jackson with his usual 50% (6-12).

Officiating, as others have noted, was actually pretty good. They treated this like a playoff game and let them play.

Wofford did just a little better down the stretch getting just a few more stops and running just a little more effective offense. But really, they were carried across the line by their 2 Seniors, Fletcher Magee and Cam Jackson.

If the Bucs can make the kind of progress over the next month that they have the last 2 months, I like our chances in Asheville.

Jeromy Rodriguez's free throw shooting form looks awful, but he's converting at a 73% clip. Mladen Armus' form looks pretty good, but he's shooting about 50%.

I've been critical in the past, but I thought both of them had very good games last night, and I'm encouraged by their recent improvement. They are getting better, and they need to continue to do so, but they are light years from where they were in the first Wofford game. Following up their own misses may have padded their stats some, but they both pulled some massive rebounds. Their effort the whole night was outstanding.

Fletcher Magee's 4-point play was, of course, the dagger. Before the shot, Bo Hodges and Patrick Good switched on a pretty soft screen, leaving Good on Magee. At that critical point in the game, I would like to see more effort to maintain Hodges guarding Magee.

(02-08-2019 08:42 AM)Flippmb Wrote:  Fletcher Magee's 4-point play was, of course, the dagger. Before the shot, Bo Hodges and Patrick Good switched on a pretty soft screen, leaving Good on Magee. At that critical point in the game, I would like to see more effort to maintain Hodges guarding Magee.

Did I miss something? Good fouled Magee on a 3pt shot but he missed the free throw near the end of the game, What 4 point play are people talking about? Jay said something about a 4 point play, so again when?

MAGEE,FLETCHER made 3-pointer 00:31 75-73
Assist by HOOVER,NATHAN 00:31
00:29 Foul by GOOD,PATRICK
MAGEE,FLETCHER missed free throw 00:29

(02-07-2019 10:50 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Like the Super Bowl, this game *almost* had a feel of inevitability to it. One (or at least *this* one) just had the feeling the whole time that Wofford had, not really another gear, but more know-how-to-finish-a-game toughness, which I think is maybe a good way to put it.

Wofford doesn't give me that feeling of inevitability. UNCG on the other hand . . .

It would be nice to win the game in Greensboro, just so both teams know we can.

Practically speaking, finishing second or third in the regular season doesn't make much of a difference. Either way, the Bucs will likely have to defeat the Spartans in the semifinals to reach the Terriers in the championship game.

(02-08-2019 08:48 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:42 AM)Flippmb Wrote:  Fletcher Magee's 4-point play was, of course, the dagger. Before the shot, Bo Hodges and Patrick Good switched on a pretty soft screen, leaving Good on Magee. At that critical point in the game, I would like to see more effort to maintain Hodges guarding Magee.

Did I miss something? Good fouled Magee on a 3pt shot but he missed the free throw near the end of the game, What 4 point play are people talking about? Jay said something about a 4 point play, so again when?

Mea culpa. As to whether you missed the point, you tell me.

(02-08-2019 08:48 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:42 AM)Flippmb Wrote:  Fletcher Magee's 4-point play was, of course, the dagger. Before the shot, Bo Hodges and Patrick Good switched on a pretty soft screen, leaving Good on Magee. At that critical point in the game, I would like to see more effort to maintain Hodges guarding Magee.

Did I miss something? Good fouled Magee on a 3pt shot but he missed the free throw near the end of the game, What 4 point play are people talking about? Jay said something about a 4 point play, so again when?

MAGEE,FLETCHER made 3-pointer 00:31 75-73
Assist by HOOVER,NATHAN 00:31
00:29 Foul by GOOD,PATRICK
MAGEE,FLETCHER missed free throw 00:29

I thought I was going crazy too. Several on Twitter on saying the same thing.

(02-08-2019 09:05 AM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:48 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:42 AM)Flippmb Wrote:  Fletcher Magee's 4-point play was, of course, the dagger. Before the shot, Bo Hodges and Patrick Good switched on a pretty soft screen, leaving Good on Magee. At that critical point in the game, I would like to see more effort to maintain Hodges guarding Magee.

Did I miss something? Good fouled Magee on a 3pt shot but he missed the free throw near the end of the game, What 4 point play are people talking about? Jay said something about a 4 point play, so again when?

Mea culpa. As to whether you missed the point, you tell me.

I didn't say I missed the point, there was nothing to miss, you missed him missing a shot.

(02-08-2019 09:11 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  I didn't say I missed the point, there was nothing to miss, you missed him missing a shot.

Again, mea culpa. But, I'm starting to think you really did miss the point.

It was simple, really. I'd prefer Bo over Patrick to guard Magee; especially late in the game, and especially if it can be accomplished by fighting through a soft screen.

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)prosec34 Wrote:  I hate to criticize Jeromy because he's so darned adept at rebounding, but he simply doesn't know how to shoot a free throw. I cannot understand how a kid is a Division I player and doesn't study technique for such a needed skill. His hand motion is all wrong for any consistency - no roll off the fingers or use of body, just shoving the ball in the direction of the basket.

Kills me.

Even Bo is not shooting FT well and his form looks decent. As a team they are abysmal.

(02-08-2019 09:31 AM)Bucfreak23 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)prosec34 Wrote:  I hate to criticize Jeromy because he's so darned adept at rebounding, but he simply doesn't know how to shoot a free throw. I cannot understand how a kid is a Division I player and doesn't study technique for such a needed skill. His hand motion is all wrong for any consistency - no roll off the fingers or use of body, just shoving the ball in the direction of the basket.

Kills me.

Even Bo is not shooting FT well and his form looks decent. As a team they are abysmal.

Every time Jeromy shoots a FT, it looks like it'll hit the front of the rim. No arc. That said, he's still my favorite Buc. I love his hustle! I loved the game last night!

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)prosec34 Wrote:  I hate to criticize Jeromy because he's so darned adept at rebounding, but he simply doesn't know how to shoot a free throw. I cannot understand how a kid is a Division I player and doesn't study technique for such a needed skill. His hand motion is all wrong for any consistency - no roll off the fingers or use of body, just shoving the ball in the direction of the basket.

Kills me.

Even Bo is not shooting FT well and his form looks decent. As a team they are abysmal.

Coach Forbes was on the radio this morning :

-In speaking about last night's game Coach Forbes said that it was a tough loss and hurt, but the Bucs played well and battled the whole game, feeling that the game came down to a few shots at the end.

-When asked if he thought the close, hard fought game with a team of Wofford's quality showed growth in the Bucs' play, he replied that there was still a lot to play for and there was lots of room for improvement.

-When asked about the free throw shooting by ETSU last night, he said that obviously there was room for improvement, but as he has said before there is little that the coaching staff can do in practice as you can't replicate the pressure and fatigue that occurs in a live game. Players have to practice free throw shooting on their own time.

-When asked about comments he had made last night about the lack of support from the Bucs' bench, Coach said that obviously he wasn't pleased, but mainly he was surprised and disappointed, which was why they didn't get much playing time after their first appearance. He said that he let them know how disappointed he was.

-When asked about preparation for the Furman game, Coach Forbes said that he thought that the game plan that they had last time seemed to work fairly well with it's emphasis on guarding Rafferty. while acknowledging that the team could not ignore the rest of the team thereby. One difference between this coming game and the last, he said was the fact that before their first game the Bucs had had 7 days off.

-The possibility of the SOCON getting a second team in the NCAA tournament was brought up. Coach Forbes said that he thought that Wofford could possibly get a bid even with a loss before the SOCON tournament and then a loss in our tournament because of their NET rating. He said that the commissioner and the conference need to be more active in promoting the conference teams in that regards.

-Similarly when asked about last nights game on TV , Coach Forbes echoed Mike Young's comments post game that it made no sense that a game of that of consequence, played at a high level on both sides wasn't on national TV. Forbes said that he had been advocating a Friday/Sunday game schedule as that had better opportunities for being on national TV. Additionally, he said that playing on those days would allow the conference to draw from a deeper and better pool of referees. Coach Forbes said that coaches in the Southern Conference have stepped up with better recruiting and scheduling of quality games outside of the conference, resulting in the tougher competition that we are seeing conference wide and the higher ranking of multiple teams. He said that it was time that the commissioner and the conference worked harder to promote the SOCON in all aspects, but especially in getting the conference more national TV exposure. As was pointed out by Bobby after Coach had left the air, last nights game wasn't even on ESPN3 which possibly could have drawn a few more viewers as it is free. (The fact that one of the most important and energetic games in the SOCON this year is on a format as limited as ESPN+ is an indictment of the casual attitude of the SOCON toward one of the most important avenues for conference exposure.)




-When asked about the crowd last night at FH, he said was complimentary

I wonder how a Friday/Sunday schedule would affect attendance. A couple years ago we had several Wednesday/Saturday series and last season we played on some Mondays, Tuesdays, Friday, etc. I don't claim to know which is a better setup for the teams, but seems like Wednesday/Saturday would be preferred due to the extra day of rest.

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  I wonder how a Friday/Sunday schedule would affect attendance. A couple years ago we had several Wednesday/Saturday series and last season we played on some Mondays, Tuesdays, Friday, etc. I don't claim to know which is a better setup for the teams, but seems like Wednesday/Saturday would be preferred due to the extra day of rest.

Wednesday/Saturday would be a good set up with the occasional Friday or Sunday game ONLY when that game will be nationally televised.

(02-08-2019 11:27 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:55 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  I wonder how a Friday/Sunday schedule would affect attendance. A couple years ago we had several Wednesday/Saturday series and last season we played on some Mondays, Tuesdays, Friday, etc. I don't claim to know which is a better setup for the teams, but seems like Wednesday/Saturday would be preferred due to the extra day of rest.

Wednesday/Saturday would be a good set up with the occasional Friday or Sunday game ONLY when that game will be nationally televised.

Coach has stated that Wednesday Saturday would be better.

Wed-Sat would be fine.

Fri-Sun bad deal. Lose a lot of fans and students.

Remember the A-Suck

I thought Tisdale played good defense on Magee; probably why he got so many minutes.

It looks like you have to defend Magee very differently than most of the shooters I've seen in college ball. He seems to be able to make his shot regardless of how he has to shoot. You cannot let him go to play help defense. You have to make sure someone picks him up in a ball-screen set up; a few times his defender did not fight through the screen and the screen defender didn't step out and he hurt us. Superb player.

With regards to schedule, I'm not a big fan of the Friday-Sunday conference schedule. Wednesday-Saturday would be acceptable. I became a big college basketball fan in the Big Ten and Thursday-Saturday was the schedule; old habits are hard to break.

(02-08-2019 08:39 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  ….were Fletcher Magee (7-9, amazing that he actually missed a couple)....

It's a fine, trivial point, but the second one he missed was intentional at the end of the game.

Re: Wed./Sat. games......
Not that it's not doable, 'cause I guess it is once or twice a season.....but remember, the league schedules these road trips to have a team hit two places in the same direction for a Thur.-Sat. swing, which also minimizes class disruptions. But if you had an opponent close by, then it would be workable. Harder for VMI; harder for Samford. But where there's a will there's a way. I bet there are some changes for next season, either TV or something.