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Official Game Thread: Wofford - ETSUfan1 - 02-05-2019 12:39 AM
Date: January 7th, 2018
Time: 7:00 PM
Opponent: Wofford (19-4, 11-0 SoCon)
Place: Freedom Hall (6,149)
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Radio online: 640WXSM.com
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RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - swvabucsfan - 02-05-2019 08:08 AM
I'm moving this to keep the discussion in one place:
11-0, 19-4 overall Wofford, #31 in Kenpom. Versus 9-2, 19-5 overall ETSU, #60 in Kenpom.
The most experienced TEAM in the SoCon with the best overall talent that Mike Young has ever had (especially the best rebounding he’s ever had – 10th in D1 at +7.9 on the season to ETSU's 1st). With all the disciplined offense that you expect from a Mike Young team: 15th in D1 in Adjusted Offense in Kenpom’s ranking to 97th for ETSU. But overall Defense according to Kenpom is 93rd in D1 to 50th for ETSU.
Experience: led by Seniors Cam Jackson (14.5 ppg with 7.1 rebounds) and Fletcher Magee (20.9 ppg on .412 with 4.5 makes from 3) and Junior Nate Hoover (14.0 ppg on .450 from 3 with 2.5 makes). With Sophomores 6-9 225 Keve Aluma and 5-11 point guard Storm Murphy who have already had a year as starters. They’ve all played together for from 1 to 4 years. These 5 guys get 22 to 33 minutes and carry the load. With Junior Trevor Stumpe rejoining the lineup the last 2 games, he adds another experienced 20 minute a game guy with shooting, passing and rebounding. When he’s healthy he makes everybody on this team better.
There are 3 key role players getting 12-15 minutes: 6-9 225 Rs-So Charleston transfer Chevez Goodwin, who has already had a year working with them in practice while he sat out last season, 6-2 185 So Tray Hollowell and 6-0 180 Fr Ryan Larson. Stepping into a crew like this is a little like joining the New England Patriots. Everybody accepts and knows an unselfish disciplined system, and the new guys get brought right along.
A fourth guy joins the rotation if he’s healthy: 6-11 260 Senior Matt Pegram, a key part of their win over the Bucs, has missed the last 2 games to an ankle injury. He’ll get 15 minutes if he’s healthy. Last time against the Bucs he got 19 minutes, 10 points on 5-7 shooting and 6 rebounds.
Rebounding: best ever for a Mike Young team, by far. They are dead even with Bucs in rebounding in conference play at +8.0 per game. In the last 5 games they have been better as the Bucs have averaged +3.6. Last time out they kicked our butts inside, outrebounding us by 13, 36-23. They are led by 6-8 255 wrecking ball Cam Jackson (7.1 rpg in conference) , much improved 6-9 225 So. Keve Aluma (7.9 rpg), and 6-9 225 Goodwin (4.1). And this is the best ever Bucs team for rebounding margin. Mike Young has been handing out much deserved compliments to his new strength and conditioning coach. He says it was embarrassing that weren’t better in that area until this year. ETSU was frankly not entirely ready for them on December 1st, not quite a month into the season, with Lucas N’Guessan not yet eligible, and on their home court in Spartanburg. It was the worst early SoCon matchup that an inexperienced team could have gotten. Jeromy got 7 rebounds, 5 to Bo, 1 to Mladen – no N’Guessan. If 6-11 260 Senior Matt Pegram (3.8 rpg in conference, but 6 against the Bucs) is out they could have a tougher time inside. We’ll see if he plays. And what effect Lucas N’Guessan has. I hope that Lucas brings the energy and aggressiveness that he showed against Chattanooga. He could be a real difference maker. And is Jeromy healthy after a couple of games below his usual astronomically high standards?
Wofford is 18th in D1 in ppg with 83.3 - ETSU is 38th with 80.1. They are 7th in D1 in 3 pointers per game at 10.9 and 6th in D1 in 3pt% at .410 (but are even better in conference at .431). Fletcher Magee has come back from an uneven OOC start to hit 20.9 points on .412 from 3 with 4.5 makes in conference.
Wofford is 43rd in D1 in ppg allowed – ETSU is 64th . But as noted, the Bucs rate significantly higher in overall Defensive efficiency in Kenpom’s ranking (50th to 93rd ). ETSU is slightly higher in FG% defense (.438 to .447) and about even in 3pt% defense (.359 to .357 for Wofford, with 8.6 makes allowed to 8.2 makes allowed for Wofford).
Turnovers and points off turnovers have been big for the Bucs in recent games. Turnovers were one area where we led Wofford the first time out, forcing 15 from them and making only 9, our second lowest total all season.
The Terriers have struggled at times in the winter conference slog and should have lost at home to Samford. But in their last 2 games against Mercer and Citadel they were crushing it.
A week ago Kenpom had the Bucs favored by 1. Right now they have Wofford favored by a single point (71-70) in what they see as a “51%-49%” call. This game isn’t the season – that will play out in March in Asheville. But it should be a good measure of how far we’ve come in the two long months since December 1st.
All stats are conference play only, unless otherwise noted:
Guards:
#03 6-4 195 Sr. Fletcher Magee; 33.4 min., 20.9 ppg, .412 from 3 (4.5 makes), but only .477 2 pt FG%, 2.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.6 t.o.’s
#10 6-4 180 Jr. Nate Hoover; 29.3 min., 14.0 ppg, .450 from 3 (2.5 makes), .481 from 2, 1.9 rebounds
#5 5-11 180 So. Storm Murphy; 25.9 min., 7.1 ppg, .586 from 3 (1.5 makes), .478 from 2, 1.7 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.3 t.o.’s
#21 6-2 185 So. Tray Hollowell; 12.7 min., 5.5 ppg, .536 from 3 (1.4 makes), .368 from 2, 1.7 rebounds, 0.9 assists, 0.6 t.o.’s
#11 6-1 175 Fr. Ryan Larson; 14.3 min., 3.0 ppg, .222 from 3 (0.2 makes), 1.5 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.3 t.o.’s
#31 6-1 185 Jr. Donovan Theme-Love; in 9 of 11 games, 7.7 min., 1.3 ppg, .333 from 3 (0.2 makes), 1.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.2 t.o.’s
Front Court:
#33 6-7 250 Rs-Sr Cam Jackson; 22.3 min., 14.5 ppg, .600 from 3 (0.3 makes), 7.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.5 t.o.’s, 1.3 blocks, 1.5 steals
#24 6-9 225 So. Keve Aluma; 27.7 min., 7.9 ppg, 0 from 3, 7.9 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.5 t.o’s, 0.9 steals, 0.7 blocks
#01 6-9 225 So-Tr Chevez Goodwin; 12.3 min., 3.7 ppg, 0 from 3, 4.1 rebounds, only 1 block on the year, 0.9 t.o.’s
#15 6-5 205 Jr. Trevor Stumpe; (2 games) 20.5, 4.0 ppg, .143 from 3 (0.5 makes) 2.0 rebounds, 0.5 assists
#50 6-11 260 Sr Matt Pegram; (missed last 2 games with injury) 15.0 min., 6.9 ppg, .182 from 3 (0.2 makes), 3.8 rebounds, 0.3 blocks
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - swvabucsfan - 02-05-2019 08:26 AM
Pardon me for moving this post, too. But it's worth emphasizing how badly they beat us inside. They are in the top 10 of D1 in BOTH rebounding AND 3 point shooting. But the Bucs had more trouble with the inside game the first time around.
Battle of the bigs: last time our bigs (Jeromy, Mladen, Harrison and Bernard) got outrebounded by their bigs (Aluma, Cam Jackson, Goodwin and Pegram) 25-10. Bucs got outscored by their bigs 30 to 7. Their bigs shot 12-19. Our bigs shot 2 – 17 and 3 -10 from the free throw line.
Only 2 teams have outrebounded the Bucs all season: Illinois on the road after the travel day from hell - by 2 rebounds, 37-39. And Wofford in Spartanburg by 13, 23-36!
Battle of the guards: Patrick Good (17 points on 5-7 and 4-6 from 3, 1 steal), Pun Tisdale (18 points on 6-7 and 2-3 from 3, 2 steals) and Bo Hodges (15 points on 6-12 and -2 from 3, 2 steals) had strong nights. Tray Boyd (5 points on 2-12 and 1-8 from 3) and Daivien Williamson 1 point in only 4 minutes of playing time had rough outings. Daivien at that point had really not found his game. It wasn't till the Illinois game that he became a regular part of things.
Total for Bucs guards: 55 points
For Wofford, Fletcher Magee had 24 points, Storm Murphy 6, Nathan Hoover 9, Ryan Larson 4 and Tray Hollowell 6
Total for Wofford guards: 49 points
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - Bucfreak23 - 02-05-2019 08:45 AM
(02-05-2019 08:26 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote: Pardon me for moving this post, too. But it's worth emphasizing how badly they beat us inside. They are in the top 10 of D1 in BOTH rebounding AND 3 point shooting. But the Bucs had more trouble with the inside game the first time around.
Battle of the bigs: last time our bigs (Jeromy, Mladen, Harrison and Bernard) got outrebounded by their bigs (Aluma, Cam Jackson, Goodwin and Pegram) 25-10. Bucs got outscored by their bigs 30 to 7. Their bigs shot 12-19. Our bigs shot 2 – 17 and 3 -10 from the free throw line.
Only 2 teams have outrebounded the Bucs all season: Illinois on the road after the travel day from hell - by 2 rebounds, 37-39. And Wofford in Spartanburg by 13, 23-36!
Battle of the guards: Patrick Good (17 points on 5-7 and 4-6 from 3, 1 steal), Pun Tisdale (18 points on 6-7 and 2-3 from 3, 2 steals) and Bo Hodges (15 points on 6-12 and -2 from 3, 2 steals) had strong nights. Tray Boyd (5 points on 2-12 and 1-8 from 3) and Daivien Williamson 1 point in only 4 minutes of playing time had rough outings. Daivien at that point had really not found his game. It wasn't till the Illinois game that he became a regular part of things.
Total for Bucs guards: 55 points
For Wofford, Fletcher Magee had 24 points, Storm Murphy 6, Nathan Hoover 9, Ryan Larson 4 and Tray Hollowell 6
Total for Wofford guards: 49 points
Hopefully FH will be rocking. Bucs better bring their A game and make their free throws too.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - Forbes'Salary - 02-05-2019 09:02 AM
(02-05-2019 08:45 AM)Bucfreak23 Wrote:(02-05-2019 08:26 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote: Pardon me for moving this post, too. But it's worth emphasizing how badly they beat us inside. They are in the top 10 of D1 in BOTH rebounding AND 3 point shooting. But the Bucs had more trouble with the inside game the first time around.
Battle of the bigs: last time our bigs (Jeromy, Mladen, Harrison and Bernard) got outrebounded by their bigs (Aluma, Cam Jackson, Goodwin and Pegram) 25-10. Bucs got outscored by their bigs 30 to 7. Their bigs shot 12-19. Our bigs shot 2 – 17 and 3 -10 from the free throw line.
Only 2 teams have outrebounded the Bucs all season: Illinois on the road after the travel day from hell - by 2 rebounds, 37-39. And Wofford in Spartanburg by 13, 23-36!
Battle of the guards: Patrick Good (17 points on 5-7 and 4-6 from 3, 1 steal), Pun Tisdale (18 points on 6-7 and 2-3 from 3, 2 steals) and Bo Hodges (15 points on 6-12 and -2 from 3, 2 steals) had strong nights. Tray Boyd (5 points on 2-12 and 1-8 from 3) and Daivien Williamson 1 point in only 4 minutes of playing time had rough outings. Daivien at that point had really not found his game. It wasn't till the Illinois game that he became a regular part of things.
Total for Bucs guards: 55 points
For Wofford, Fletcher Magee had 24 points, Storm Murphy 6, Nathan Hoover 9, Ryan Larson 4 and Tray Hollowell 6
Total for Wofford guards: 49 points
Hopefully FH will be rocking. Bucs better bring their A game and make their free throws too.
I feel like we'll need more than an A for this one... probably a 100 with some generous extra credit points
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - swvabucsfan - 02-05-2019 09:09 AM
Bucs need to play fired up. But not so fired up that they try to do too much. That would only lead to turnovers and foul trouble - something that we sometimes had trouble with early in the season but have done better with lately.
They need to play tough, but nobody needs to try to be superman. Like John Wooden used to say, "Be quick, but don't hurry."
I think that the talent is there. No need to try for what you can't do.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - swvabucsfan - 02-05-2019 10:24 AM
In fact, our Thursday opponent is a good example of winning by playing within yourself. They don't win by trying to go faster than a speeding bullet, by being more powerful than a locomotive, or by trying to leap tall buildings in a single bound. They play hard, play smart and do what they know they can do.
10th in D1 in rebounding is pretty good. But they're not #1. We are.
7th in D1 in 3 points per game is pretty good. But #1 is Winthrop. #2 is The Citadel. #3 is Creighton. https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/153
And the Bucs have done pretty darn well against all those teams. We didn't do badly against the perimeter game of Wofford the first time around.
Yes Wofford is good. But the Bucs have the talent to be better. By playing hard and doing what they know how to do. If Wofford has an edge, it's not in rebounding or even great shooting. It's in playing together long enough to be confident in what they can do together. The Bucs, and their fans, are still learning that.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - brock20 - 02-06-2019 08:14 AM
CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cbssportscom-eye-on-college-basketball-podcast/e/58614819?autoplay=true
Start at the 38:00 mark to hear about the game and other socon talk.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - Flippmb - 02-06-2019 05:14 PM
Is Jeromy healthy for this game? Everybody else?
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - James Wilson - 02-06-2019 07:23 PM
(02-06-2019 05:14 PM)Flippmb Wrote: Is Jeromy healthy for this game? Everybody else?
Forbes said they were.....
Official Game Thread: Wofford - queenladybug817 - 02-06-2019 08:05 PM
Any idea who the refs will be? Praying no Karl Hess.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - posterformerlyknownasthedoctor - 02-07-2019 01:36 AM
(02-05-2019 08:08 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote: A fourth guy joins the rotation if he’s healthy: 6-11 260 Senior Matt Pegram, a key part of their win over the Bucs, has missed the last 2 games to an ankle injury...….. If 6-11 260 Senior Matt Pegram (3.8 rpg in conference, but 6 against the Bucs) is out they could have a tougher time inside. We’ll see if he plays.
Pegram is out, I'm almost positive.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - posterformerlyknownasthedoctor - 02-07-2019 01:41 AM
Mike Young's comments:
Rematch preview from their perspective
I had not seen that when I posted above about Pegram, but that article confirms what I had heard from down there.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - James Wilson - 02-07-2019 09:11 AM
(02-07-2019 01:41 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: Mike Young's comments:
Rematch preview from their perspective
I had not seen that when I posted above about Pegram, but that article confirms what I had heard from down there.
Wofford's blog says he is out till the end of this season....probably play the last few games at best.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - BucDoctor - 02-07-2019 06:12 PM
Just wanted to confirm that Magee can shoot without flopping. He is not flopping in warm ups. I know we had our doubts.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - Bucs06 - 02-07-2019 06:38 PM
Hess is in the building
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - BucDoctor - 02-07-2019 06:39 PM
Hess is in the building
Official Game Thread: Wofford - queenladybug817 - 02-07-2019 06:56 PM
(02-07-2019 06:39 PM)BucDoctor Wrote: Hess is in the building
I may have just said some improper words just now.
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - James Wilson - 02-07-2019 07:17 PM
So far so "GOOD"
RE: Official Game Thread: Wofford - posterformerlyknownasthedoctor - 02-07-2019 08:05 PM
We're not playing "as good as we can play", but we're playing very well. So are the Woofers. As some of us said, whoever shoots the best is going to win this one.