(01-29-2019 10:48 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Gonna throw a few stats around. Starting with Gardner, Yetna, and Hinton's conference games stat lines.

Gardner: 32.1 MP, .463 FG%, 10.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.0 STL, 0.7 BLK, 2.4 TOV 18.9 PTS.
Hinton: 19.5 MP, .481 FG%, 5.3 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, .03 BLK, 1.4 TOV, 10.4 PTS.
Yetna: 32.1 MP, .587 FG%, 8.8 REB, 1.1 AST, 0.6 STL, 0.6 BLK, 2.3 TOV, 15.3 PTS.

In addition to those traditional stats I'll add in a few advanced stats from their conference play.

Gardner: 25.9 PER, .536 TS%, 30.8 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.1 DWS, 0.7 WS, .123 WS/40
Hinton: 28.2 PER, .636 TS%, 24.2 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.4 DWS, 1.0 WS, .263 WS/40
Yetna: 23.1 PER, .656 TS%, 20.7 USG%, 0.8 OWS, 0.5 DWS, 1.3 WS, .206 WS/40

I'm not going to make any predictions on whats going to happen, just want to say that all three schools have some pretty special talents.

Found one more thing. Gardner is #3 in offensive rating for the conference, Hinton is #1 in defensive rating, and Yetna is #2 in offensive rating and #3 in defensive rating. (note sports-reference only lists the top 20 and I believe thats taking into count all games, not just conference games).

(01-29-2019 10:21 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 11:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:20 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  Is Yetna who's a great player in my opinion a true freshman or a redshirt freshman?

redshirt, his ameturism was in question last year, so he was redshirted in precaution till that situation was cleared

LOL Coach P...seriously. Is there any AAC stat you DON'T know? I couldn't name one player on ECU (or 80% of the AAC for that matter) and here you are giving details. Unreal.

He's worth the price of admission...Coach P ladies and gentlemen.

The dude is locked in.

Going around nut kicking... brilliant

(01-29-2019 10:45 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  One thing to note:

If Yetna Stays at USF all 4 years, he will be almost 25 years old at time of graduation.


He is 21.4 which makes him one of the oldest freshman in the country.


That said, I cannot find anywhere on the internet how old Jayden Gardner is... Its not on ECU website, not on 247, its missing on kenpom. Is Jayden an old freshman too because their seems to be a lot of work being done to not conceal his age...

he is 18, birthday in may

(01-29-2019 10:45 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  One thing to note:

If Yetna Stays at USF all 4 years, he will be almost 25 years old at time of graduation.


He is 21.4 which makes him one of the oldest freshman in the country.


That said, I cannot find anywhere on the internet how old Jayden Gardner is... Its not on ECU website, not on 247, its missing on kenpom. Is Jayden an old freshman too because their seems to be a lot of work being done to not conceal his age...

He played in public high school last season. At the maximum 20, he’s probably either 18 or 19 like most freshmen.

(01-29-2019 09:57 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 09:00 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 05:52 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  18.9/9.4/1.3
13.2/10.1/1.1

Both are good players but there’s a clear choice.

at this point in the season it is..2 coaches have already said whod they think it is (*obviously insinuating if it was today)

3 notes:
1) it isnt who you want it to be
2) the coaches are the ones who vote for it
3) i doubt the coaches who gave their opinion about it just happen to be the anomaly

still alot of season left

Not what they said at all, but sure.

Point is, I don't think the choice is all that clear. Here are a couple of other numbers for you:

14-6 vs. 8-11
28/13/2 vs. 15/15/1

I'm not saying Gardner won't be selected, but in my opinion, it's now Yetna's award to lose.

USFFan

Good thing we have a whole season to base results off. Gardner could probably put 28 on ECU too. It’s not like Gardner was guarding Yetna and vice versa.

(01-29-2019 09:00 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 05:52 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  18.9/9.4/1.3
13.2/10.1/1.1

Both are good players but there’s a clear choice.

at this point in the season it is..2 coaches have already said whod they think it is (*obviously insinuating if it was today)

3 notes:
1) it isnt who you want it to be
2) the coaches are the ones who vote for it
3) i doubt the coaches who gave their opinion about it just happen to be the anomaly

still alot of season left

Not what they said at all, but sure.

Hurley and Sampson have flat out called him the best freshmen in the aac
im not going to look it up but somewhere in the tulsa/houston game (its on espn3 for free if you want to look it up)..mark adams (the tv announcer) flat said he was told by coaches (name drops sampson as one of them) and said they told him yetna was the best freshmen in the aac

also this from this morning

(01-29-2019 10:21 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 11:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:22 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:20 PM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  Is Yetna who's a great player in my opinion a true freshman or a redshirt freshman?

redshirt, his ameturism was in question last year, so he was redshirted in precaution till that situation was cleared

LOL Coach P...seriously. Is there any AAC stat you DON'T know? I couldn't name one player on ECU (or 80% of the AAC for that matter) and here you are giving details. Unreal.

He's worth the price of admission...Coach P ladies and gentlemen.

The dude is locked in.

Lol. “Worth the price of admission.”

I don’t remember paying for this content. Quite the bargain.

(01-29-2019 09:00 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 05:52 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  18.9/9.4/1.3
13.2/10.1/1.1

Both are good players but there’s a clear choice.

at this point in the season it is..2 coaches have already said whod they think it is (*obviously insinuating if it was today)

3 notes:
1) it isnt who you want it to be
2) the coaches are the ones who vote for it
3) i doubt the coaches who gave their opinion about it just happen to be the anomaly

still alot of season left

Not what they said at all, but sure.

Then YOU heard him wrong. Coach P knows things.....

(01-29-2019 04:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 09:00 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 05:52 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  18.9/9.4/1.3
13.2/10.1/1.1

Both are good players but there’s a clear choice.

at this point in the season it is..2 coaches have already said whod they think it is (*obviously insinuating if it was today)

3 notes:
1) it isnt who you want it to be
2) the coaches are the ones who vote for it
3) i doubt the coaches who gave their opinion about it just happen to be the anomaly

still alot of season left

Not what they said at all, but sure.

Hurley and Sampson have flat out called him the best freshmen in the aac
im not going to look it up but somewhere in the tulsa/houston game (its on espn3 for free if you want to look it up)..mark adams (the tv announcer) flat said he was told by coaches (name drops sampson as one of them) and said they told him yetna was the best freshmen in the aac

also this from this morning

Yeah somewhere in the Tulsa/Houston game that’s convenient, I’ll just watch the whole game. Hurley hasn’t even faced ECU, I doubt he has scouted them whenever this statement occurred.

Somewhere in the ECU/USF game the announcers said that Gregory said Gardner is the best offensive rebounder in the country. No bull****.

The stats aren’t even close.

Jon Rothstein is a clown and probably doesn’t even know the best player on each team in the American.

https://twitter.com/American_MBB/status/...79040?s=20

(01-29-2019 10:53 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:48 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Gonna throw a few stats around. Starting with Gardner, Yetna, and Hinton's conference games stat lines.

Gardner: 32.1 MP, .463 FG%, 10.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.0 STL, 0.7 BLK, 2.4 TOV 18.9 PTS.
Hinton: 19.5 MP, .481 FG%, 5.3 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, .03 BLK, 1.4 TOV, 10.4 PTS.
Yetna: 32.1 MP, .587 FG%, 8.8 REB, 1.1 AST, 0.6 STL, 0.6 BLK, 2.3 TOV, 15.3 PTS.

In addition to those traditional stats I'll add in a few advanced stats from their conference play.

Gardner: 25.9 PER, .536 TS%, 30.8 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.1 DWS, 0.7 WS, .123 WS/40
Hinton: 28.2 PER, .636 TS%, 24.2 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.4 DWS, 1.0 WS, .263 WS/40
Yetna: 23.1 PER, .656 TS%, 20.7 USG%, 0.8 OWS, 0.5 DWS, 1.3 WS, .206 WS/40

I'm not going to make any predictions on whats going to happen, just want to say that all three schools have some pretty special talents.

Found one more thing. Gardner is #3 in offensive rating for the conference, Hinton is #1 in defensive rating, and Yetna is #2 in offensive rating and #3 in defensive rating. (note sports-reference only lists the top 20 and I believe thats taking into count all games, not just conference games).

Again you are talking about a handful of games in conference and Gardner has played all of his games against upper level teams. He hasn't gotten a chance to play an ECU or Tulane yet and when you are talking about a 7 games sample, one game like that vs an ECU to pad the stats makes a large difference.

Also Gardner and Yetna's performances are also consistent with the other 2/3's of the games they have played this year where as Hinton's is not. He was pretty terrible in those other games which along with doing it on lower minutes should bring skepticism.

Yetna and Gardner still have cases as the best individual seasons in the AAC It's clear that USF has a hell of a lot more help around Yetna though. Again we have the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation, no space, and no secondary scoring option to take any pressure off Gardner etc etc. The closest we have is LeDay who has to work in the same space and compete for the same rebounds.

The fact he is doing what he does on this sad sack ECU team is a feather in his hat, certainly not anything to write him off for high usage bull $hit which it's not. Most bad teams don't have players with the level true shooting and efficiency he does and there is a reason because it ups the pressure on them and being on ECU is certainly doing him no favors.

(01-30-2019 04:04 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:53 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 10:48 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Gonna throw a few stats around. Starting with Gardner, Yetna, and Hinton's conference games stat lines.

Gardner: 32.1 MP, .463 FG%, 10.6 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.0 STL, 0.7 BLK, 2.4 TOV 18.9 PTS.
Hinton: 19.5 MP, .481 FG%, 5.3 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, .03 BLK, 1.4 TOV, 10.4 PTS.
Yetna: 32.1 MP, .587 FG%, 8.8 REB, 1.1 AST, 0.6 STL, 0.6 BLK, 2.3 TOV, 15.3 PTS.

In addition to those traditional stats I'll add in a few advanced stats from their conference play.

Gardner: 25.9 PER, .536 TS%, 30.8 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.1 DWS, 0.7 WS, .123 WS/40
Hinton: 28.2 PER, .636 TS%, 24.2 USG%, 0.6 OWS, 0.4 DWS, 1.0 WS, .263 WS/40
Yetna: 23.1 PER, .656 TS%, 20.7 USG%, 0.8 OWS, 0.5 DWS, 1.3 WS, .206 WS/40

I'm not going to make any predictions on whats going to happen, just want to say that all three schools have some pretty special talents.

Found one more thing. Gardner is #3 in offensive rating for the conference, Hinton is #1 in defensive rating, and Yetna is #2 in offensive rating and #3 in defensive rating. (note sports-reference only lists the top 20 and I believe thats taking into count all games, not just conference games).

Again you are talking about a handful of games in conference and Gardner has played all of his games against upper level teams. He hasn't gotten a chance to play an ECU or Tulane yet and when you are talking about a 7 games sample, one game like that vs an ECU to pad the stats makes a large difference.

Also Gardner and Yetna's performances are also consistent with the other 2/3's of the games they have played this year where as Hinton's is not. He was pretty terrible in those other games which along with doing it on lower minutes should bring skepticism.

Yetna and Gardner still have cases as the best individual seasons in the AAC It's clear that USF has a hell of a lot more help around Yetna though. Again we have the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation, no space, and no secondary scoring option to take any pressure off Gardner etc etc. The closest we have is LeDay who has to work in the same space and compete for the same rebounds.

The fact he is doing what he does on this sad sack ECU team is a feather in his hat, certainly not anything to write him off for high usage bull $hit which it's not. Most bad teams don't have players with the level true shooting and efficiency he does and there is a reason because it ups the pressure on them and being on ECU is certainly doing him no favors.

All I did was post the three players conference stats which are the only numbers that matter for a conference award. Also in case you haven't noticed we're almost at the halfway point in conference play, so these numbers are based on a pretty decent sample size. I provided very little commentary after that. Additionally all three players have two games left against either ECU or Tulane, so moot point. I was trying to let the numbers speak for themselves. All three players are having nice seasons. If ECU fans want to pump their guy and write off the rest of the talent in this league, thats fine. The reality is all three of these players can make an excellent case for FOY. Personally, If I had a vote I'd give it to Yetna. I think he's a more complete player than Gardner and has a bigger role on his team than Hinton. However, I wouldn't trade Hinton for either player as he's simply a better fit for UH and our team needs.

(01-30-2019 05:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  All I did was post the three players conference stats which are the only numbers that matter for a conference award.

Is that even accurate. It's not like the conference separates the stats or anything when they post the league leaders in their twitter, game action and stuff like that. I have a hard time believing it has no weight.

Quote:Also in case you haven't noticed we're almost at the halfway point in conference play, so these numbers are based on a pretty decent sample size.
I provided very little commentary after that. Additionally all three players have two games left against either ECU or Tulane, so moot point.

Gardner has played 7 games and they have all been against good teams. Unfortunately he doesn't get to play this sad sack ECU team as well. 7 games man, it's absolutely a factor at this point.

Quote:I was trying to let the numbers speak for themselves. All three players are having nice seasons. If ECU fans want to pump their guy and write off the rest of the talent in this league, thats fine. The reality is all three of these players can make an excellent case for FOY. Personally, If I had a vote I'd give it to Yetna. I think he's a more complete player than Gardner and has a bigger role on his team than Hinton. However, I wouldn't trade Hinton for either player as he's simply a better fit for UH and our team needs.

I haven't once written Yetna off. I think he's in the conversation for best players in the league in fact not just FOY. Hinton is playing 20 minutes and has played great for the 8 conference games but I don't know how you ignore the 13 OOC games he pretty much sucked at. There has been a huge difference in the two. I mean is he just running up his numbers in blowouts and double digit wins vs these back up scrub dudes like in our game? We had a dude on him that never plays late in that game. I mean that's fine and all it still shows something but it's not the same thing as being the focus of a defense or getting doubled like Gardner.

Still jonesing where is this jnotion tat Hinton sucked in OOC coming from?

He was huge in byu, huge in Oregon (they still had bol bol) .. and thougj his stats in LSU werent big, his defense was a spark..we got down13 were he wasn't playing, they put him in and within 3 minutes we have the lead ..his imprint has been in every big game we have played

His offense is getting cleaner as the season goes along bit his ability to play top defense in ANY position and rebound better than probably any guard in the AAC was there from the start

I'm not calling for him to be FOY...I never did but this who he sucked before the last 3 games is beyond crazy

(01-31-2019 09:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  Still jonesing where is this jnotion tat Hinton sucked in OOC coming from?

He was huge in byu, huge in Oregon (they still had bol bol) .. and thougj his stats in LSU werent big, his defense was a spark..we got down13 were he wasn't playing, they put him in and within 3 minutes we have the lead ..his imprint has been in every big game we have played

His offense is getting cleaner as the season goes along bit his ability to play top defense in ANY position and rebound better than probably any guard in the AAC was there from the start

I'm not calling for him to be FOY...I never did but this who he sucked before the last 3 games is beyond crazy

I don't care to do all the meticulous work of subtracting every single stat and all that crap to compare which is why I like to use advanced stats that sum them up and help make sense of them. It takes about 2 seconds of eyeballing to notice it. If someone wants to do that including percentages and all of it go for it.

He's played exactly the same minutes per game in and OOC. All you really have to look at his the fact he has a 28+ PER in conference play which is fantastic but he still has a 19 PER for the season. (15 is the adjusted average). Clearly there is a big difference OOC in his stats. Beyond that his net rating is about 15 points higher too, per 40 minutes scoring is up 7 points over the season in conference, so it's probably 10+ over OOC, True shooting is 10% higher in conference than the overall season so probably 15% higher than OOC etc etc.

The true shooting is the one that jumps off the page. He looks like a guy that runs hot and cold and this looks like a hot streak that will likely correct based on the rest of the season the HS/ AAU shooting I saw etc. I mean are you convinced he's a 57% a game FG shooter? That's what he has to sustain to keep that scoring, PER etc up. Seems his profile in conference is built on unsustainable shooting in a smaller sample.

(01-31-2019 10:12 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 09:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  Still jonesing where is this jnotion tat Hinton sucked in OOC coming from?

He was huge in byu, huge in Oregon (they still had bol bol) .. and thougj his stats in LSU werent big, his defense was a spark..we got down13 were he wasn't playing, they put him in and within 3 minutes we have the lead ..his imprint has been in every big game we have played

His offense is getting cleaner as the season goes along bit his ability to play top defense in ANY position and rebound better than probably any guard in the AAC was there from the start

I'm not calling for him to be FOY...I never did but this who he sucked before the last 3 games is beyond crazy

I don't care to do all the meticulous work of subtracting every single stat and all that crap to compare which is why I like to use advanced stats that sum them up and help make sense of them. It takes about 2 seconds of eyeballing to notice it. If someone wants to do that including percentages and all of it go for it.

He's played exactly the same minutes per game in and OOC. All you really have to look at his the fact he has a 28+ PER in conference play which is fantastic but he still has a 19 PER for the season. (15 is the adjusted average). Clearly there is a big difference OOC in his stats. Beyond that his net rating is about 15 points higher too, per 40 minutes scoring is up 7 points over the season in conference, so it's probably 10+ over OOC, True shooting is 10% higher in conference than the overall season so probably 15% higher than OOC etc etc.

The true shooting is the one that jumps off the page. He looks like a guy that runs hot and cold and this looks like a hot streak that will likely correct based on the rest of the season the HS/ AAU shooting I saw etc. I mean are you convinced he's a 57% a game FG shooter? That's what he has to sustain to keep that scoring, PER etc up. Seems his profile in conference is built on unsustainable shooting in a smaller sample.

im not a big fan of solely relying on advanced stats like you are justin...i like to value the game and how it is played

last season people were using "defensive rating" to state galen robinson wasnt a good defensive player (when i said he was the best defensive player in te legaue)....nate hinton now leads the league in defensive rating (for the whole season),
a few weeks ago you used PER to define gardner as the best player in the league..a few games later hinton leads the conference in PER through league play

i dont think hinton is currently the best player in the league or the best defensive player in the league (or even on our team)

also we are half way into the the conference schedule when does it stop being a small sample size????
also you are literally talking about sustaining when you crowned gardner the best player in the league after an ALL 300 rpi conference schedule and 2 conference games

i dont care if hinton sustains his shot percentage..i know he is a baller and he was balling out even in our OOC..which im almost certain you didnt watch a single game off

(01-31-2019 10:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  im not a big fan of solely relying on advanced stats like you are justin...i like to value the game and how it is played

All advanced stats are like PER all the regular other regular stats packaged up so you don't have to go through 10+ lines as well as adjusted for pace and minutes as well as true shooting (or the value of three's and FTs). You know actual context. It's nothing but the regular stats.

Quote:last season people were using "defensive rating" to state galen robinson wasnt a good defensive player (when i said he was the best defensive player in te legaue)....nate hinton now leads the league in defensive rating (for the whole season),
a few weeks ago you used PER to define gardner as the best player in the league..a few games later hinton leads the conference in PER through league play

i dont think hinton is currently the best player in the league or the best defensive player in the league (or even on our team)

Defensive rating is and estimate of how well your TEAM plays defense when a player is on the court. It has value but at the end of the day it's more of a team stat and if your team sucks, one player really can't really make a defense that much better especially a non center. You can use it to see how much a player helps or the net rating difference between Off and def rating compared to the overall team though.

Quote:also we are half way into the the conference schedule when does it stop being a small sample size????

We've played 7 games. How is that not a small sample.

Quote:also you are literally talking about sustaining when you crowned gardner the best player in the league after an ALL 300 rpi conference schedule and 2 conference games

Where did I do that. I wrote he needed to be in the discussion after a 35 and 20 game on a great rim protecting team because up until that point I wasn't even a believer which I also said. Also his impact is entirely consistent in conference play while playing the toughest conference schedule if you want to play that game. It's barely changed.

Quote:i dont care if hinton sustains his shot percentage..i know he is a baller and he was balling out even in our OOC..which im almost certain you didnt watch a single game off

Look man, you wanted me to dig into his numbers. There is obviously a difference in a guy running up numbers when you are blowing out teams and a guy who is the focus of every defense and getting doubled yet still bringing it consistently for 30+ minutes a game over the course of the entire season.

If your guy can sustain his 56% FG and 28 PER I'll be the first to say he needs to be playing more #1, but also great. Infact I said his PER is fantasic in conf play but it still only 8 games for you guys and vs backups.

(01-31-2019 10:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  i dont care if hinton sustains his shot percentage..i know he is a baller and he was balling out even in our OOC..which im almost certain you didnt watch a single game off

LOL BTW you wouldn't have any bias would you? You know how, watching him with your bias eyes, what some tool in high school said after watching a few games etc. At least i try to bring some objectivity to it. I think Dooley has done a terrible job this year, it's not like I'm a homer incapable of looking inward.

btw the stat i posted literally captured Hinton's value in conference when he started playing great in that 8 game portion and it did even as a bench player. Do you see no value in it? Yeah it has weakness, but most people get them and understand how to view them.

(01-31-2019 11:27 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Look man, you wanted me to dig into his numbers. There is obviously a difference in a guy running up numbers when you are blowing out teams and a guy who is the focus of every defense and getting doubled yet still bringing it consistently for 30+ minutes a game over the course of the entire season.

If your guy can sustain his 56% FG and 28 PER I'll be the first to say he needs to be playing more #1, but also great. Infact I said his PER is fantasic in conf play but it still only 8 games for you guys and vs backups.

this is what im talking about with your imaginary context, that not real....
we've only had 1 true blowout all season that was vs ecu, most of our games are close and then we separate the last 5-8 minutes, both teams key players have been in all game almost every game of the season

as a matter fact its the opposite, hinton big games, biggest moments are when we are losing or the game is close...all of his 13 vs byu was in the 1st half when the game was close

11 of his 13 vs tulsa @tulsa was in the 1st half...note tulsa hadn't lost in regulation @tulsa all season (except houston), who has elite defense at home..

also no one is calling for hinton to be #1, i just think your metrics are wonky..you guys use flat stats when your guys are #1, but want to add context (which isnt accurate) when they arent

(01-31-2019 11:35 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 10:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  i dont care if hinton sustains his shot percentage..i know he is a baller and he was balling out even in our OOC..which im almost certain you didnt watch a single game off

LOL BTW you wouldn't have any bias would you? You know how, watching him with your bias eyes, what some tool in high school said after watching a few games etc. At least i try to bring some objectivity to it. I think Dooley has done a terrible job this year, it's not like I'm a homer incapable of looking inward.

btw the stat i posted literally captured Hinton's value in conference when he started playing great in that 8 game portion and it did even as a bench player. Do you see no value in it? Yeah it has weakness, but most people get them and understand how to view them.

you are literally the one with bias ...

these tweets are ALL from OOC or early conference all from different games....rothstein isnt a houston fan

these are all from games you said he flat out "sucked" according to you (beofer your other thread)

the smu game announcers said he would be the best player in the aac by his junior/senior year and could win POY then

jon thompson the lsu game announcers (former gtown head coach)...was hyping javonte smart (of lsu) and hinton saying the freshmen were battling like crazy and hyping the future of both programs if these are what our freshmen look like

and objectivity???? you called gardener the best player in the AAC ...

ive literally never said hinton was amazing, i didnt even say he was freshmen of the year, ive only hyped his potential...ive only debated your silly comments about about him "flat sucking" in ooc and not being good....or that every coach in america is taking gardener over Hinton