https://twitter.com/BarstoolUNT/status/1...4865274881

Here's your bad angle. Don't care how emotional you are or how much you've been screwed. Scream at the ref until you're hoarse, but you'll always look bad doing this.

(01-20-2019 08:40 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BarstoolUNT/status/1...4865274881

Here's your bad angle. Don't care how emotional you are or how much you've been screwed. Scream at the ref until you're hoarse, but you'll always look bad doing this.

In a couple of years, when these kids are winning twenty plus games, you’ll still be trashing them

(01-20-2019 08:48 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 08:40 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BarstoolUNT/status/1...4865274881

Here's your bad angle. Don't care how emotional you are or how much you've been screwed. Scream at the ref until you're hoarse, but you'll always look bad doing this.

In a couple of years, when these kids are winning twenty plus games, you’ll still be trashing them

What?

(01-20-2019 06:29 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 05:57 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 02:41 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 12:56 PM)Antarius Wrote:  I dont mean to be unduly harsh

Really?

Just calling a spade a spade. I mean the refs-are-evil pity parties are fine once in a way. But after a decade of seeing Rice somehow be routinely on the losing end of these, maybe its us.

Did anyone here not expect the exact course of events that transpired in the last 7 minutes? It read like a quintessential "we werent prepared to be up" script.

To rephrase my original statement, it could read "my apologies for the result, but my harshness is not aggrandized."

I mean yes a better team gets that win. Duke isn’t going to lose that game on the road at UNT... but

1. Did you watch the game?
2. Did you think the calls were fairly distributed between teams?

If the answer to #2 is no then we can complain on a fan message board.

I saw a horribly officiated game. It was against us, then for us then against us a lot. This wasn't a Greg Oros type game. It was a bunch of incompetent people who had no idea what they were doing.

1. The end result was that it benefited them over us. But that was a function of incompetence aligning with our lack of kill.
2. This is our reality. This will be our future until we change it.

(01-20-2019 08:48 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 08:40 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BarstoolUNT/status/1...4865274881

Here's your bad angle. Don't care how emotional you are or how much you've been screwed. Scream at the ref until you're hoarse, but you'll always look bad doing this.

In a couple of years, when these kids are winning twenty plus games, you’ll still be trashing them

I really have no idea how to respond to this. I haven't mentioned the players once. This video is of Pera being restrained by assistants trying to go after a ref. I'm pretty sure most would agree that our coach chasing after the refs isn't an overly shining representation of the Rice brand.

No wonder we lost. Sounds like a coach out of control. Why didnt he just get himself thrown out the game?

(01-20-2019 08:25 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 08:17 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  and we lose - of course the refs don't put any time back on the clock this time

I can't blame Pera for going nuts.

Didn't watch it. Can somebody summarize (or detail) what Pera did?

From what I can piece together, it sounded like he had to be restrained by his assistant coaches from running down the tunnel to confront the refs (he was already screaming at them). He had been going at them for the entire second half and I think losing the game was the spark that lit the fuse. Pera obviously wears every emotion on his sleeve, probably too much in many instances. Even though I, and many other Rice fans, thought his frustration tonight was justifiable, it did look like a tantrum/meltdown. I get the frustration, and I'm glad it's there because it shows fans and the team that he cares, but he also goes overboard sometimes. Eventually he'll get an ill-timed technical that will hurt the team.

Here's some video that shows pieces: https://twitter.com/JessicaM_Hall/status...5230175234

Look, I love the fire. And if every single player and coach invests this much emotion in getting better, then Rice will be in a good place in a couple of years. But this only plays when you're a winning program. If we're winning 20+ games consistently, I don't care who is running their mouth or when. But you can't have this happening when you've won 7 games and are 2-4 in conference.
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(01-20-2019 10:34 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 08:48 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 08:40 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/BarstoolUNT/status/1...4865274881

Here's your bad angle. Don't care how emotional you are or how much you've been screwed. Scream at the ref until you're hoarse, but you'll always look bad doing this.

In a couple of years, when these kids are winning twenty plus games, you’ll still be trashing them

I really have no idea how to respond to this. I haven't mentioned the players once. This video is of Pera being restrained by assistants trying to go after a ref. I'm pretty sure most would agree that our coach chasing after the refs isn't an overly shining representation of the Rice brand.

It seems to be a hallmark of this board. Warranted criticism is painted as a personal vendetta. As though we have nothing but angels here and only imbicilic heathens dare criticize.

I dont know Pera any more than I knew/know Rhoades, Bailiff, Braun, Bloomgren, Graham, Bragga,William's, Langley, <insert name here> - the amount is zero. But somehow theres a sinister vendetta out there.

I agree with you that this was not a good look. When you get to being Djokovic, maybe some tantrums are overlooked. When you are in the rookie circuit, this is not a smart play and certainly will not endear him to the already abysmal referees.

So Bobby Knight was a saint or Bobby Knight got to be a jerk because his teams won? Sorry still with Scott after the last two games and the non-apology from CUSA after the UTEP game. And how do you think the players feel about seing their coach acting that way? Think they would have prferred having him say we don’t have a winning record and the program has been historically bad so we don’t get to be upset?

(01-20-2019 11:19 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  So Bobby Knight was a saint or Bobby Knight got to be a jerk because his teams won? Sorry still with Scott after the last two games and the non-apology from CUSA after the UTEP game. And how do you think the players feel about seing their coach acting that way? Think they would have prferred having him say we don’t have a winning record and the program has been historically bad so we don’t get to be upset?

Bobby Knight got canned for behaving like this. It was tolerable at one time (as evidenced by his tenure) but it eventually wasn't. The issue isnt whether Pera throwing a crazy-person tantrum was acceptable in the 80s - it isnt now.

I'm not with Pera since nothing changed since he was an assistant coach. CUSA is been ****, the quality of play is ****, the refereeing is the definition of aforementioned ****. This is what he was signing up for when he did. The referees are terrible and will yield terrible results. The only way to change it is to earn respect by being good, not by making a scene that borders on someone calling the cops for battery.

No one is saying dont be upset. Yell, scream , throw a clipboard. Dont charge the refs and need to get held back. This is Rice's reality. If Pera (or anyone) cant handle lt, step aside. We dont need a Steve Balmer.

What message does this send? If your teammates arent there to hold you back you can charge an opponent you are unhappy with and ... well, were lucky we didnt find out. I'm all for passion, I've decried the incessant clapping-at-nothing, but this was well beyond the line. And this WILL happen again with the refs - then what?

(01-20-2019 10:37 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  No wonder we lost. Sounds like a coach out of control. Why didnt he just get himself thrown out the game?

(01-20-2019 08:25 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 08:17 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  and we lose - of course the refs don't put any time back on the clock this time

I can't blame Pera for going nuts.

Didn't watch it. Can somebody summarize (or detail) what Pera did?

From what I can piece together, it sounded like he had to be restrained by his assistant coaches from running down the tunnel to confront the refs (he was already screaming at them). He had been going at them for the entire second half and I think losing the game was the spark that lit the fuse. Pera obviously wears every emotion on his sleeve, probably too much in many instances. Even though I, and many other Rice fans, thought his frustration tonight was justifiable, it did look like a tantrum/meltdown. I get the frustration, and I'm glad it's there because it shows fans and the team that he cares, but he also goes overboard sometimes. Eventually he'll get an ill-timed technical that will hurt the team.

Here's some video that shows pieces: https://twitter.com/JessicaM_Hall/status...5230175234

Look, I love the fire. And if every single player and coach invests this much emotion in getting better, then Rice will be in a good place in a couple of years. But this only plays when you're a winning program. If we're winning 20+ games consistently, I don't care who is running their mouth or when. But you can't have this happening when you've won 7 games and are 2-4 in conference.

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It was after the game...he did not receive a technical during the game so I don’t see how what happened after the game cost us the game.

Geeez....everyone hated Bailiff clapping meekly....I think what Pera did is exactly the kind of fire Thompson had after Rice got called for an offensive foul that cost us SWC tourney game vs Texas. In fact that was the game that afterwards IIRC it was Adam Peakes who was quoted inthe Dallas Morning News saying “I have played my last game so I can say that when you play Texas you play 8 vs 5”.

(01-20-2019 11:34 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Geeez....everyone hated Bailiff clapping meekly....

At the risk of proving Godwins law true, the difference between clapping meekly and what we saw was akin to Neville Chamberlain and the Fuehrer.

There's an ocean worth of space in between. No one is saying the result was fair or Pera should be happy. Just that going nuclear wasn't a smart move. Nor was the coaching job in the last 8 minutes and the unhappiness should be focused there.

(01-20-2019 11:19 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  So Bobby Knight was a saint or Bobby Knight got to be a jerk because his teams won? Sorry still with Scott after the last two games and the non-apology from CUSA after the UTEP game. And how do you think the players feel about seing their coach acting that way? Think they would have prferred having him say we don’t have a winning record and the program has been historically bad so we don’t get to be upset?

I've already said that the players probably love seeing their coach stick up for them. And I'm in no disagreement about the last two weeks. I'd be upset if Pera wasn't fed up. But how in the world does that justify running after the refs and then shouting at fans? Talk trash, yell at the refs like any normal coach, but just don't do the stuff that makes national headlines. Because that second video is something writers would run with.

Pera should’ve just thrown his tablet...

(01-20-2019 11:55 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Pera should’ve just thrown his tablet...

Nah, should've snapped his play board over his knee. That's the real basketball coach power move.

(01-20-2019 11:34 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  [...I think what Pera did is exactly the kind of fire Thompson had after Rice got called for an offensive foul that cost us SWC tourney game vs Texas.

I think that was Wilson team.

(01-20-2019 11:55 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Pera should’ve just thrown his tablet...

I saw that and was thinking about this thread. Not a particularly good look either.

(01-20-2019 02:33 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  At the game vs Penn at the Palestra, I sat next to a guy who was a pal of Scott's who knew him during his HS coaching time (I think he was a rival coach). He told me that he was way more intense then. On the whole I'd rather have an intense coach, but obviously it should not go over the line......

You know who else was super-crazy intense before coming to Rice, but then mellowed a little when he got to Rice but was still super-intense? Wayne Graham. I don't think Pera is that good (who is?), but it isn't the worst quality in a coach.

Apparently these refs were working the NFC Title Game in New Orleans.

(01-21-2019 01:53 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Apparently these refs were working the NFC Title Game in New Orleans.

That's what I was thinking, too. Atrocious!

Decorum concerns aside...

Pera almost got us a win on the road against the purported best team in the conference. One of my biggest gripes about Bailiff was that our football team almost always folded in a big way as clear underdogs, especially on the road. Never outplaying expectations and wilting when faced with road hostility are two of the hallmarks of bad coaching IMO.

I'm not trying to slam Bailiff again here so much as I am giving Pera credit for having his team show some of the major positive signs I want to see in all Rice teams. Yeah, Pera needs to get himself under control, but after what happened in the UTEP and UNT games I can somewhat understand his frustration.

The point here is that Pera does seem to have the team headed in the right direction. Losing at the last second on the road to the conference leader should not be undervalued given the state of our program. Dare I say that the trajectory of the UNT game was very Rhoades-esque; the difference is that a Rhoades team probably would have been able to see out the victory. Pera needs to show he can take the next step with his charges now, while simultaneously self-policing his comportment when faced with perceived injustices (which are going to continue to happen because refs absolutely do not respect or fear Rice).

As an aside, the fact that Pera is supposedly disliked by our AD kind of... makes me like Pera just a little bit more.