(01-21-2019 08:17 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Coach addressed the game well tonight on his show . . . . Most of our turnovers are coming from our bigs . . . He went on to say that these problems are correctable and will be worked on during a week of practice after getting Tuesday off.

The Bucs emphasize working the ball inside to the bigs. The problem is our bigs aren't very good finishers, and they wind up losing the ball far too often. That may be correctable, but I don't expect a quick fix.

I didn't understand why Lucas only played 18 minutes, He was a force to start the game, missed a bunch of free throws (but turns out everbody did) was attacking the glass, getting rebounds on both ends, picking up fouls on UNC-g bigs. Not sure what happened but he got the early Hook in the 2nd half (under 2 minutes) and didn't get back in until less than 4 minutes left. He wasn't happy about it either, saw Good, Tisdale and a couple of other players talking to him/calming him down.

(01-21-2019 08:47 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:17 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Coach addressed the game well tonight on his show . . . . Most of our turnovers are coming from our bigs . . . He went on to say that these problems are correctable and will be worked on during a week of practice after getting Tuesday off.

The Bucs emphasize working the ball inside to the bigs. The problem is our bigs aren't very good finishers, and they wind up losing the ball far too often. That may be correctable, but I don't expect a quick fix.

also our guards aren't that good at getting them the ball. They make bad passes trying to force it in when it isn't there.

(01-21-2019 08:34 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The press made us get deeper into the shot clock, kept the score down. We are 1-5 when scoring under 70 points.

In the past Rod that has been true. I watched the shot clock closely last game and ETSU was in its offense around the 23 second mark on most possessions. Without facing a press it takes approximately 5 seconds to bring the ball down the court. To me the issue was standing and dribbling at the 23 second mark in the possession - after the Bucs had beaten the press and setting up their offense. They looked clueless after beating the press and it was Gs half court defense that was causing the problem rather than the press.

Again, you may disagree and in the past the G press has absolutely caused the effect that you have noticed.

It wasn't the press that put us deep in the shot clock it was what happened after the press was broken.

Others' mule mileage may differ.

(01-21-2019 08:47 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  I didn't understand why Lucas only played 18 minutes, He was a force to start the game, missed a bunch of free throws (but turns out everbody did) was attacking the glass, getting rebounds on both ends, picking up fouls on UNC-g bigs. Not sure what happened but he got the early Hook in the 2nd half (under 2 minutes) and didn't get back in until less than 4 minutes left. He wasn't happy about it either, saw Good, Tisdale and a couple of other players talking to him/calming him down.

I am not sure about the hook either. I will say that if there isn't better officiating, Lucas may get hurt. Opponents are defending him by moving under him to take his legs away once he jumps. Pretty dangerous.

(01-21-2019 08:53 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:34 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The press made us get deeper into the shot clock, kept the score down. We are 1-5 when scoring under 70 points.

In the past Rod that has been true. I watched the shot clock closely last game and ETSU was in its offense around the 23 second mark on most possessions. Without facing a press it takes approximately 5 seconds to bring the ball down the court. To me the issue was standing and dribbling at the 23 second mark in the possession - after the Bucs had beaten the press and setting up their offense. They looked clueless after beating the press and it was Gs half court defense that was causing the problem rather than the press.

Again, you may disagree and in the past the G press has absolutely caused the effect that you have noticed.

It wasn't the press that put us deep in the shot clock it was what happened after the press was broken.

Others' mule mileage may differ.

The combination of the press and pressure in the half court defense is what I am talking about, UNC-g kept ETSU from getting into any flow. Even when we "beat" the press (got it across half court) we were still stuck well above the 3 pt line trying to get into a set.

(01-21-2019 08:58 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:53 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:34 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The press made us get deeper into the shot clock, kept the score down. We are 1-5 when scoring under 70 points.

In the past Rod that has been true. I watched the shot clock closely last game and ETSU was in its offense around the 23 second mark on most possessions. Without facing a press it takes approximately 5 seconds to bring the ball down the court. To me the issue was standing and dribbling at the 23 second mark in the possession - after the Bucs had beaten the press and setting up their offense. They looked clueless after beating the press and it was Gs half court defense that was causing the problem rather than the press.

Again, you may disagree and in the past the G press has absolutely caused the effect that you have noticed.

It wasn't the press that put us deep in the shot clock it was what happened after the press was broken.

Others' mule mileage may differ.

The combination of the press and pressure in the half court defense is what I am talking about, UNC-g kept ETSU from getting into any flow. Even when we "beat" the press (got it across half court) we were still stuck well above the 3 pt line trying to get into a set.

I agree, but in the past it was the press. Saturday it was the G half court defense that took the time off the clock.

I hope I get this right....Forbes said tonight on his radio show that he charted each time UNCG pressed ETSU. I believe he said UNCG pressed ETSU 33x throughout the game and he charted where the shot clock was at when we possessed the ball in the front court. He said the average time on the shot clock was :24 seconds, leaving the offense plenty of time to score.

He commented that they only turned the ball over 2x vs. the press and neither turnover led to an UNCG basket. Vice versa, he said that ETSU scored 10 points vs. the press before UNCG could set their half court defense. He explained their philosophy on attacking the press and did say at times they needed to flow better into their half court offense and take better advantage of their bigs matched on our guards because of the press, but he made it very clear that he did not think the press had an affect on the outcome of the game, and he said that several times....

He was very displeased with the defensive breakdowns guarding the 3 point line and went into detail. He was very unhappy with the free throw shooting and the TO's in the half court offense. I was very surprised he addressed the lack of playing time for N'Guessan in the 2nd half. He said that all of his player's needed to keep their emotions in check during stressful situations. He said that Luke did not do so this during the TO he called at the beginning of the 2nd half and it was his decision to not play him. He left it at that.

Lastly, at some point he was asked about the 23 Zone and his thoughts on when to use it. He said that he used it to change up and defend the 3pt line better. He said that UNCG went 0-2 when they first went to it and then they went back to man. He said he regretted going back to it later when they made back to back 3's. He took the blame for that....

(01-21-2019 09:21 PM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  I was very surprised [Forbes] addressed the lack of playing time for N'Guessan in the 2nd half. He said that all of his player's needed to keep their emotions in check during stressful situations. He said that Luke did not do so this during the TO he called at the beginning of the 2nd half and it was his decision to not play him. He left it at that.

As Coach Forbes is alluding to and others have mentioned, at one point N'Guessan didn't handle being taken out of the game very well, and there's really no excuse for his subsequent antics. I hope he got Coach Forbes' message.

(01-21-2019 09:02 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:58 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:53 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:34 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The press made us get deeper into the shot clock, kept the score down. We are 1-5 when scoring under 70 points.

In the past Rod that has been true. I watched the shot clock closely last game and ETSU was in its offense around the 23 second mark on most possessions. Without facing a press it takes approximately 5 seconds to bring the ball down the court. To me the issue was standing and dribbling at the 23 second mark in the possession - after the Bucs had beaten the press and setting up their offense. They looked clueless after beating the press and it was Gs half court defense that was causing the problem rather than the press.

Again, you may disagree and in the past the G press has absolutely caused the effect that you have noticed.

It wasn't the press that put us deep in the shot clock it was what happened after the press was broken.

Others' mule mileage may differ.

The combination of the press and pressure in the half court defense is what I am talking about, UNC-g kept ETSU from getting into any flow. Even when we "beat" the press (got it across half court) we were still stuck well above the 3 pt line trying to get into a set.

I agree, but in the past it was the press. Saturday it was the G half court defense that took the time off the clock.

It was pressure, on the ball pressure, half-court defense or not

(01-21-2019 11:53 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 09:02 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:58 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:53 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 08:34 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The press made us get deeper into the shot clock, kept the score down. We are 1-5 when scoring under 70 points.

In the past Rod that has been true. I watched the shot clock closely last game and ETSU was in its offense around the 23 second mark on most possessions. Without facing a press it takes approximately 5 seconds to bring the ball down the court. To me the issue was standing and dribbling at the 23 second mark in the possession - after the Bucs had beaten the press and setting up their offense. They looked clueless after beating the press and it was Gs half court defense that was causing the problem rather than the press.

Again, you may disagree and in the past the G press has absolutely caused the effect that you have noticed.

It wasn't the press that put us deep in the shot clock it was what happened after the press was broken.

Others' mule mileage may differ.

The combination of the press and pressure in the half court defense is what I am talking about, UNC-g kept ETSU from getting into any flow. Even when we "beat" the press (got it across half court) we were still stuck well above the 3 pt line trying to get into a set.

I agree, but in the past it was the press. Saturday it was the G half court defense that took the time off the clock.

It was pressure, on the ball pressure, half-court defense or not

The UNCG defense was not the issue according to Forbes. According to Forbes, the two biggest reasons we lost this game was giving up 3s to Allegre and Galloway (failing to communicate the switch - we gave up 7 threes to these guys) and not hitting free throws at a reasonable clip. He said the press only slowed our offense, to, on average having 24 seconds left on the shot clock, which is plenty of time to run our sets, which we did. Also, we had plenty of open 3s that didn't fall, and overall the shots didn't fall when we needed them to. We can beat UNCG, but we have to shoot better everywhere and defend their 4s on the perimeter.

(01-21-2019 10:52 PM)Flippmb Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 09:21 PM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  I was very surprised [Forbes] addressed the lack of playing time for N'Guessan in the 2nd half. He said that all of his player's needed to keep their emotions in check during stressful situations. He said that Luke did not do so this during the TO he called at the beginning of the 2nd half and it was his decision to not play him. He left it at that.

As Coach Forbes is alluding to and others have mentioned, at one point N'Guessan didn't handle being taken out of the game very well, and there's really no excuse for his subsequent antics. I hope he got Coach Forbes' message.

Thanks for this, I had been wondering about that. It's unfortunate, but 20 year olds do stupid stuff sometimes.

(01-19-2019 10:08 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  There's a whole lot of basketball left to play.

True dat. And while I'm not totally fatalistic on the "3 days in March" mantra/philosophy turning out favorably, I think it likely that we'll see CBI/CIT/whatever action this year. I think, since we won't have folded at the end like last year, Forbes and the team will want to play more.

Our scoring was down because the Bucs couldn't hit much of anything, not because of the press. The press had nothing to do with missed free throws, wide open 3's, layups and unforced turnovers.

Wow, if I keep posting I think the defenders are going to work themselves into such a state that they will convince themselves ETSU won,
I mean they only had to shoot better and play better defense and that was an easy W. With what you are posting from the interview I guess that is what Forbes thinks.
We beat ourselves, he is the coach so I will go with him.
To my untrained eye test, UNC-g seemed to be the better team and I was confused how the game was that close
ETSU made a run to make it look better but game was double digits and in little doubt in the 2nd half.
Seems to me those two thing apply to all games. Hit your shots, play defense, win. ETSU didn't and lost.

I think we have a good team and a chance to be a lot better but I wasn't convinced at the beginning of the season that this was going to be one of the all time great teams
and I haven't seen much to convince me they will become that.
Can we get better? yeah can we win the SoCon and or tournament? Sure. Could even pull off an NCAA upset with right matchup.
Are we going to be the favorites? Nope.
Sorry I don't buy into the hype blindly, I have to see it to believe it, and not just on paper.

(01-22-2019 10:39 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  I think we have a good team and a chance to be a lot better but I wasn't convinced at the beginning of the season that this was going to be one of the all time great teams
and I haven't seen much to convince me they will become that.
Can we get better? yeah can we win the SoCon and or tournament? Sure. Could even pull off an NCAA upset with right matchup.
Are we going to be the favorites? Nope.
Sorry I don't buy into the hype blindly, I have to see it to believe it, and not just on paper.

All true IMHO. Lots of basketball left to be played with any possible outcome. But we will have to play more consistent than we have done so far.

One last thing, the UNCG coach must have thought the press accomplished something or he would have stopped doing it. Clearly more effective than our 2 /3 zone . Just my 2 cents.

I'm confident that we have a good team that is in the process of improvement. The problem is ....that the Socon is now a very good conference,which will make us a better more confident team shortly (I hope). We need to iron a few more things out this week. Our coaches need to step up as well, I'm sure they will. We will soon see if we are improving or imploding. I just don't know the exact attitudes, but Forbes has always been good in that department so my trust is with him.....Go BUCs !!!!