If two undefeated seasons in a row doesn't earn a G5 team a spot in the playoff, nothing ever will. If anything, UCF's two undefeated seasons may hasten the P5's plans to separate themselves from the G5 by classification. We'll soon have our very own playoff/bowl system to ***** and moan about.

I think that the playoffs should include the conference champions just like the other sports. A few at-large teams, based on objective criteria, could be added to make a field of sixteen.

1. The national championship is decided on the field.
2. It adds to the value of being a conference champion.
3. Conferences are more geographically based.
4. Conferences are more stable.
5. Everyone actually has a chance to win the national championship.

4 team playoff should be the 4 highest ranked conference champs/independents. Nothing is stopping an Independent program from putting together a guanlet of a schedule and deserving a title shot if they win.

(12-30-2018 06:02 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The CFP is corrupt.

UCF was not one of the best four teams in college football this year or last year.

First, I know you're wrong about last year.

Secondly.....after the very poor performances we saw yesterday from OU and Notre Dame, I'm no longer so sure about 2018 either.

You "know" they were last year? How? Because they beat an Auburn team that thought they were Natty bound that instead ended up in the worst consolation game possible playing a very good team with a humongous chip on their shoulder?

No UCF is not a top 4 team this year or last.

Yes OU played a bad quarter, yes Notre Dame faceplanted, I think UCF would beat Notre Dame, they wouldn't beat OU, or Georgia or tOSU...

UCF has to, again, silence the critics by beating LSU. It's unfortunate that they, like any G5, is held to a different standard, but it is what it is. If UCF loses, especially by some sizable margin, all you'll hear is "See! told you so, they don't belong." If UCF beats LSU we'll hear the same excuse used to cover for Auburn...."well, LSU didn't really try."

Ya know....mighty Meeeeechigan had the #1 defense in the nation...at least before their last two games...and were one win away from reaching the CFP. Florida, an also ran in the SEC, crushed Meeeechigan, but you don't hear nonsense that "they don't belong." It was, after all, just one bowl game. Can't read too much into that, right?

Unless you happen to be UCF and lose "just one bowl game" then it'll mean everything.

(12-31-2018 10:45 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  If UCF beats LSU we'll hear the same excuse used to cover for Auburn...."well, LSU didn't really try."

While many people make this argument that is not what I was saying about Auburn last year, nor would i say that if they do beat LSU.

I do not think it's a matter of "not trying" but I don't believe it disingenuous to say that UCF had(has) more on the line and more to prove and that wouldn't be the case if they were meeting in the CFP rather than a bowl game far bigger for UCF.

(12-31-2018 09:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 06:02 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The CFP is corrupt.

UCF was not one of the best four teams in college football this year or last year.

First, I know you're wrong about last year.

Secondly.....after the very poor performances we saw yesterday from OU and Notre Dame, I'm no longer so sure about 2018 either.

You "know" they were last year? How? Because they beat an Auburn team that thought they were Natty bound that instead ended up in the worst consolation game possible playing a very good team with a humongous chip on their shoulder?

No UCF is not a top 4 team this year or last.

Yes OU played a bad quarter, yes Notre Dame faceplanted, I think UCF would beat Notre Dame, they wouldn't beat OU, or Georgia or tOSU...

One bad quarter? Are you kidding? OU looked like sheet. No DEFENSE whatsoever!! That game was N*E*V*E*R in doubt. Most lopsided "Final Four" game we've seen. Total waste of everybody's time. Bama coasted the entire 2nd half, because they could.

Whoever serves on the "selection committee", they should all be fired this year. I highly suspect UCF would have played better than OU & Notre Dame, specifically for the reasons you stated: UCF would have a big chip on their shoulder, and that makes them more dangerous than either OU or ND.

(12-31-2018 05:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If two undefeated seasons in a row doesn't earn a G5 team a spot in the playoff, nothing ever will. If anything, UCF's two undefeated seasons may hasten the P5's plans to separate themselves from the G5 by classification. We'll soon have our very own playoff/bowl system to ***** and moan about.

Then nothing ever will. As long as the playoff consists of 4 slots, no G5 will get a whiff of the playoff. The p5 will never give one of those 4 slots to a G5 under any circumstance. Re: your G5 with a perfect record. The argument by the P5 will always be:"Yeah, they were undefeated, but they didn't face P5 level competition week in and week out."

If you want to see a G5 in the playoff, then you better hope for playoff expansion. Cause as is, they'll never give 1 of 4 slots to a G5, period.

(12-31-2018 04:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  One bad quarter? Are you kidding? OU looked like sheet. No DEFENSE whatsoever!! That game was N*E*V*E*R in doubt. Most lopsided "Final Four" game we've seen. Total waste of everybody's time. Bama coasted the entire 2nd half, because they could.

As always, the facts don't matter to you.

Nevermind that on the same day Clemson beat Notre Dame by 27...

In 2014 Oregon beat FSU 59-20

In 2015 Bama blanked Michigan State 38-0

In 2016 Clemson blanked Ohio State 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7

In 2017 Bama beat Clemson 24-6

But tell me more about how this 45-34 game was "the most lopsided final four game we've seen"...

G5s will never be given a spot willingly. Why would they ever freely give away bags of money and allow 60+ other programs to recruit way better? Obviously they're trying to cut more people out to get themselves even more money. Quite a few of these P5 schools are going to be on the short end of it within 10 years.

Many universities will have to sue to get any real change.

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(12-31-2018 05:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 04:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  One bad quarter? Are you kidding? OU looked like sheet. No DEFENSE whatsoever!! That game was N*E*V*E*R in doubt. Most lopsided "Final Four" game we've seen. Total waste of everybody's time. Bama coasted the entire 2nd half, because they could.

As always, the facts don't matter to you.

Nevermind that on the same day Clemson beat Notre Dame by 27...

In 2014 Oregon beat FSU 59-20

In 2015 Bama blanked Michigan State 38-0

In 2016 Clemson blanked Ohio State 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7

In 2017 Bama beat Clemson 24-6

But tell me more about how this 45-34 game was "the most lopsided final four game we've seen"...

You're certified..... I can't believe you looked all that stuff up. You remind me of this guy....


....and never let the facts get in the way of your silly story.

- It took Alabama 4 full quarters to beat Clemson 24-6, and Washington 24-7.
- It took Alabama 1 (that's "one") Qtr and 2 min to get to a 28-0 lead. GAME OVER!

Alabama could have beaten OU much worse. OU HAD NO DEFENSE!! I hope you understand that.

Regardless, at some point, Nick Saban knows to just keep the clock moving, and get it over with.

Hell, Bama could have scored again, but chose not to get another TD at the end. Good for them.

(12-30-2018 12:05 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Why are you crying to us? Aren't you one of the anointed conferences? Go back to your board and make fun of Southern Miss getting left out of your little traitors party.

I'm with Noodles. As much as I disagree with the CFP, why are you here ttrying to drum up support when before we were not worthy to be in the same conversation. If UCF got in tomorrow, would you still come here?

(12-31-2018 07:39 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  4 team playoff should be the 4 highest ranked conference champs/independents. Nothing is stopping an Independent program from putting together a guanlet of a schedule and deserving a title shot if they win.

They just did the Independent thing. It was a farce. They need to be the best in a conference to be in the playoffs, imo. That way their gauntlet of teams is teams they play every year that know their strengths and weaknesses. Had they been in the ACC, Clemson would have already wiped the floor with them and we could have avoided this little embarrassment. At the very least they would have been smoked in the title game against them. With four spots it needs to go to conference champs that proved they can at least win their conference.

Oklahoma at the very least proved they could score on 'Bama even if they couldn't stop 'Bama. Notre Dame couldn't even do that vs Clemson.

It is very possible that only Clemson or Alabama can beat Clemson or Alabama this year. It is a fact that Notre Dame didn't belong on the field with either.

(12-31-2018 06:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 05:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 04:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  One bad quarter? Are you kidding? OU looked like sheet. No DEFENSE whatsoever!! That game was N*E*V*E*R in doubt. Most lopsided "Final Four" game we've seen. Total waste of everybody's time. Bama coasted the entire 2nd half, because they could.

As always, the facts don't matter to you.

Nevermind that on the same day Clemson beat Notre Dame by 27...

In 2014 Oregon beat FSU 59-20

In 2015 Bama blanked Michigan State 38-0

In 2016 Clemson blanked Ohio State 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7

In 2017 Bama beat Clemson 24-6

But tell me more about how this 45-34 game was "the most lopsided final four game we've seen"...

You're certified..... I can't believe you looked all that stuff up. You remind me of this guy....


....and never let the facts get in the way of your silly story.

- It took Alabama 4 full quarters to beat Clemson 24-6, and Washington 24-7.
- It took Alabama 1 (that's "one") Qtr and 2 min to get to a 28-0 lead. GAME OVER!

Alabama could have beaten OU much worse. OU HAD NO DEFENSE!! I hope you understand that.

Regardless, at some point, Nick Saban knows to just keep the clock moving, and get it over with.

Hell, Bama could have scored again, but chose not to get another TD at the end. Good for them.

"Looked all that up"?

It was conveniently located on a single wiki page, it took roughly 30 seconds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...yoff_games

It took even shorter to look up the last time Bama gave up 34 points and it was two years ago when they lost the national title to Clemson 35-31.


http://www.winsipedia.com/games/alabama


You said it was the "most lopsided" which just isn't remotely true. Out of ten semi final games, 11 points is the third smallest margin of victory, even 18(had they scored that last touchdown) would still be tied for the fourth smallest margin.

And 34 is the second most points scored in a losing effort in the semis, but again, continue to make up your own facts all you like...

(12-31-2018 07:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 06:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 05:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 04:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  One bad quarter? Are you kidding? OU looked like sheet. No DEFENSE whatsoever!! That game was N*E*V*E*R in doubt. Most lopsided "Final Four" game we've seen. Total waste of everybody's time. Bama coasted the entire 2nd half, because they could.

As always, the facts don't matter to you.

Nevermind that on the same day Clemson beat Notre Dame by 27...

In 2014 Oregon beat FSU 59-20

In 2015 Bama blanked Michigan State 38-0

In 2016 Clemson blanked Ohio State 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7

In 2017 Bama beat Clemson 24-6

But tell me more about how this 45-34 game was "the most lopsided final four game we've seen"...

You're certified..... I can't believe you looked all that stuff up. You remind me of this guy....


....and never let the facts get in the way of your silly story.

- It took Alabama 4 full quarters to beat Clemson 24-6, and Washington 24-7.
- It took Alabama 1 (that's "one") Qtr and 2 min to get to a 28-0 lead. GAME OVER!

Alabama could have beaten OU much worse. OU HAD NO DEFENSE!! I hope you understand that.

Regardless, at some point, Nick Saban knows to just keep the clock moving, and get it over with.

Hell, Bama could have scored again, but chose not to get another TD at the end. Good for them.

"Looked all that up"?

It was conveniently located on a single wiki page, it took roughly 30 seconds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...yoff_games

It took even shorter to look up the last time Bama gave up 34 points and it was two years ago when they lost the national title to Clemson 35-31.


http://www.winsipedia.com/games/alabama


You said it was the "most lopsided" which just isn't remotely true. Out of ten semi final games, 11 points is the third smallest margin of victory, even 18(had they scored that last touchdown) would still be tied for the fourth smallest margin.

And 34 is the second most points scored in a losing effort in the semis, but again, continue to make up your own facts all you like...

(MTPI pic above.)

It was lop-sided, you big dope. It was over 2 min into the 2nd Qtr.

(12-31-2018 05:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If two undefeated seasons in a row doesn't earn a G5 team a spot in the playoff, nothing ever will. If anything, UCF's two undefeated seasons may hasten the P5's plans to separate themselves from the G5 by classification. We'll soon have our very own playoff/bowl system to ***** and moan about.

I'm not sure why anyone believes the P5 wants to breakaway, they have a great setup with the status quo, no way they want to lose the ability to schedule 2-4 paycheck games a year.

(01-01-2019 01:41 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  It was lop-sided, you big dope. It was over 2 min into the 2nd Qtr.

I'm not the dope claiming an 11 point game was the most lopsided semi final in CFP history, you can talk all you want about when you think it was over, doesn't change the fact that there was a 38-0 game in which Michigan State tallied fewer than 250 yards. Doesn't change the fact that OU scored more than anyone has against Bama in two years.

I think UCF would beat Notre Dame, I think UCF could win a shootout with OU, but I'd likely pick the Sooners, but Georgia and tOSU both still would have and should have gotten in over the Knights.

(01-01-2019 02:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 01:41 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  It was lop-sided, you big dope. It was over 2 min into the 2nd Qtr.

I'm not the dope claiming an 11 point game was the most lopsided semi final in CFP history, you can talk all you want about when you think it was over, doesn't change the fact that there was a 38-0 game in which Michigan State tallied fewer than 250 yards. Doesn't change the fact that OU scored more than anyone has against Bama in two years.

I think UCF would beat Notre Dame, I think UCF could win a shootout with OU, but I'd likely pick the Sooners, but Georgia and tOSU both still would have and should have gotten in over the Knights.

None of the other games were over at the beginning of the 2nd quarter....you BIG DOPE. ONE MORE TIME... Alabama was more interested in flexing their defense in an effort to keep the clock moving. BAMA knew OU had NO DEFENSE to speak of, so they could score at will. They (Bama) were willing to give up the short yardage stuff to OU to keep the clock moving.

(01-01-2019 01:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 05:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If two undefeated seasons in a row doesn't earn a G5 team a spot in the playoff, nothing ever will. If anything, UCF's two undefeated seasons may hasten the P5's plans to separate themselves from the G5 by classification. We'll soon have our very own playoff/bowl system to ***** and moan about.

I'm not sure why anyone believes the P5 wants to breakaway, they have a great setup with the status quo, no way they want to lose the ability to schedule 2-4 paycheck games a year.

On this issue we actually agree. Under the current system, the P5's can claim superiority --whether its true or not-- and not receive any serious push back. This perceived superiority gives them overwhelming recruiting advantages, better access to TV games, better bowls, better access to the playoffs, etc.... Frankly, I don't know why the P5's would want to change a thing.

(01-01-2019 02:25 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  None of the other games were over at the beginning of the 2nd quarter....you BIG DOPE. ONE MORE TIME... Alabama was more interested in flexing their defense in an effort to keep the clock moving. BAMA knew OU had NO DEFENSE to speak of, so they could score at will. They (Bama) were willing to give up the short yardage stuff to OU to keep the clock moving.

Three of OU's four touchdown drives:

75 yards, 4 plays, 1:13 TOP

75 yards, 6 plays, 3:03 TOP

74 yards, 6 plays, 1:45 TOP

But tell me more about Bama being "willing to give up short yardage stuff"

Again, as always, you are the dope, friend.