(12-02-2018 08:22 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I could see the argument for Ohio State jumping Notre Dame. They both had 12 wins with Ohio State being a conference champion. Between the two common opponents, Ohio State outscored Michigan and Northwestern by more than Notre Dame. Oklahoma avenged their earlier loss, and Notre Dame's schedule was softer due to the previously mentioned down opponents. It will probably be Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, but I could see the argument for Ohio State instead of Notre Dame.

Georgia with two losses and no conference championship is definitely out.

...and Ohio State got blown out by a fun to watch but certainly not elite level Purdue team. Anything involving Ohio State must have that sentence attached to it. You don't have that happen and still expect to be in the conversation for the best of 4 out of a 120ish eligible teams. Maybe with 8 teams, but not 4 teams, and definitely not this year.

(12-01-2018 11:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If I were a committee member I would see it like this:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Georgia
4) OU

The lack of another game and a relatively weak schedule makes me put ND 5th at best.

What will happen is:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) ND
4) OU

Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy

Among Bama, CU, ND, Ga, OU and OSU, the Irish are no worse than 3rd in FBS wins (12), Power-5 wins (10), AP top-25 wins (4), current CFP top-25 wins (3), road/neutral wins (6) and Power-5 winning record wins (5).

And, the Irish needed just 12 games to do it.#BertschyBits

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Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy
Among the group, Notre Dame is currently...

Road/Neutral Wins - t-1st
FBS Wins - t-1st
Power-5 Wins - t-1st
AP Top-25 Wins - t-1st
CFP Top-25 Wins - t-2nd
Power-5 Winning Record - 3rd

(12-02-2018 08:50 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Oklahoma and Clemson both won incredibly weak conferences. Clemson managed to do it unblemished but Oklahoma didn't. Ohio St is more deserving of the last spot for winning a better conference despite the loss. Texas hung with Oklahoma until very late in the 4th quarter until a lat TD iced it. Ohio St won their title by 3 TDs.

There will be a reckoning from Jim Delany if you slight his conference two years in a row.

That is true only in your mind. Unless you call everyone but SEC incredibly weak. Massey composite:
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

SEC 31.04
Big 12 48.59
Big 10 50.14
ACC 52.22
P12 52.89
Ind 73.12
AAC 76.7
MWC 77.4
SB 85.22
MAC 88.65
CUSA 94.5

(12-02-2018 08:54 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 10:43 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  My vote is Georgia. As much as I despise subjectiveness and believe conference championships and losses matter, Georgia looked like a top 3 team.

Didn’t look like it losing by 20 to LSU before they lost a second time to Bama. Lost twice, no way.

Georgia is very talented, but they are young and inexperienced and inconsistent as is their coach-as he showed amply in the 4th quarter vs. Alabama.

Going with Oklahoma over Ohio State.

Oklahoma was ranked higher than Ohio State going into the Championship Games. Ohio State may have won their game by a larger margin but Oklahoma played a stronger team atoning for their previous loss against Texas. Also Ohio State has that 6&6 Purdue blow loss against them in the selection committee process.

After watching all three games for the 4th, 5th, and 6th ranked teams I would keep Georgia in the number 4 slot for the playoff games for their strong showing against Alabama but that is not going to happen with 2 loss's total. If the committee did keep them in the playoff the negative fireworks would certainly fly, and the current P5 conferences would find a way to blow this system up moving forward under a new expanded playoff contract when the current one expires.

The CFP is in a VERY difficult political position. We all know that between Georgia and Ohio State, Georgia is better. Better than Oklahoma too.

But putting two SEC teams in two years in a row WHILE leaving the other super-power, the B1G out two years in a row? UNTHINKABLE.

So IMO only one of those two things can happen, which is why Oklahoma will get the 4th spot.

Will be VERY interesting to see how Delany reacts. The B1G might blow the system up.

You can’t lose by 20 points to an unranked team and make the playoffs. Sorry

(12-02-2018 11:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  You can’t lose by 20 points to an unranked team and make the playoffs. Sorry

2014 Ohio St lost at home by 14 to 6-6 Virginia Tech

(12-02-2018 11:55 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 11:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  You can’t lose by 20 points to an unranked team and make the playoffs. Sorry

2014 Ohio St lost at home by 14 to 6-6 Virginia Tech

Yes, and TCU was the better team with a better resume. That OSU team also dominated late in the year

Ohio State isn’t playoff worthy this year. Oklahoma has the superior resume

(12-02-2018 11:55 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 11:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  You can’t lose by 20 points to an unranked team and make the playoffs. Sorry

2014 Ohio St lost at home by 14 to 6-6 Virginia Tech

Dang it, was just coming to post that! I'm still going to!

(12-02-2018 09:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 10:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  IMO it has to be OU. Ohio State lost to Purdue in blowout fashion.

Agree, OS shouldn't even be in the conversation. they not only lost to Purdue, but were dominated by Purdue. Olk beat the team they lost to in champ game. Ga with 2 losses shouldn't be in the mix either..

I am pretty sure Ohio St made the Playoff the year they had a WTF loss to Virginia Tech.

(12-02-2018 07:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Whole lot more people in Texas than either, and those people are a lot more familiar with OU than the Northerners OSU.

And lots of people in Ohio will religiously watch the Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl, so it's not like they are lost.

Texas being a southern state has a lot of northern state transplants. Also Ohio St is one of the top teams in NCAA history so has more Walmarter's than Oklahoma.

(12-02-2018 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  There are a lot more folks in Ohio (and B1G fans in general) than there are in Oklahoma (Big 12).
My money is on Ohio State.
The decision has little to do with football and everything to do with money.

Yep. That's why I have Ohio St and Notre Dame in.

(12-02-2018 02:57 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:45 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Should be:
Alabama
Ohio St
Oklahoma
Central Florida

Will probably end up being
Alabama
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Ohio St

No Clemson?

I think the committee has Alabama, Notre Dame, and Ohio St due to being bigger names. That leaves Oklahoma or Clemson. I went w/ Oklahoma.

(12-02-2018 07:35 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Playoff needs to be 8 teams
This year:
Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Georgia, UCF, and Michigan.
All 8 of those schools deserve a shot at the national championship this year.

The CFP games will have no trouble generating a big audience with either Oklahoma or Ohio State ( I'm thinkin' Georgia anyway). But the Rose Bowl needs Ohio State's traveling fanbase as well as the TV audience. If JR's suggestion is right, that TV audience matters, and of course it is, look for OSU in Psadena.

Another year that screams these playoffs need to be expanded. With 8 UCF, Georgia, and Ohio State would not be left out and shouldn't.

(12-02-2018 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 11:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If I were a committee member I would see it like this:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Georgia
4) OU

The lack of another game and a relatively weak schedule makes me put ND 5th at best.

What will happen is:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) ND
4) OU

Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy

Among Bama, CU, ND, Ga, OU and OSU, the Irish are no worse than 3rd in FBS wins (12), Power-5 wins (10), AP top-25 wins (4), current CFP top-25 wins (3), road/neutral wins (6) and Power-5 winning record wins (5).

And, the Irish needed just 12 games to do it.#BertschyBits

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8:55 PM - Dec 1, 2018





Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy
Among the group, Notre Dame is currently...

Road/Neutral Wins - t-1st
FBS Wins - t-1st
Power-5 Wins - t-1st
AP Top-25 Wins - t-1st
CFP Top-25 Wins - t-2nd
Power-5 Winning Record - 3rd

...no worse than... just 12 games...

Thanks for proving my point.

(12-02-2018 12:09 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Another year that screams these playoffs need to be expanded. With 8 UCF, Georgia, and Ohio State would not be left out and shouldn't.

We may very well get expansion, in 2025. Until then, I have little doubt that whoever wins the CFP will also be voted #1 in the AP and Coaches polls. There won't be any controversy.

(12-02-2018 05:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 11:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If I were a committee member I would see it like this:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Georgia
4) OU

The lack of another game and a relatively weak schedule makes me put ND 5th at best.

What will happen is:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) ND
4) OU

Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy

Among Bama, CU, ND, Ga, OU and OSU, the Irish are no worse than 3rd in FBS wins (12), Power-5 wins (10), AP top-25 wins (4), current CFP top-25 wins (3), road/neutral wins (6) and Power-5 winning record wins (5).

And, the Irish needed just 12 games to do it.#BertschyBits

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8:55 PM - Dec 1, 2018





Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy
Among the group, Notre Dame is currently...

Road/Neutral Wins - t-1st
FBS Wins - t-1st
Power-5 Wins - t-1st
AP Top-25 Wins - t-1st
CFP Top-25 Wins - t-2nd
Power-5 Winning Record - 3rd

...no worse than... just 12 games...

Thanks for proving my point.

Those stats prove ND belongs in the playoffs.

The Committee agreed, saying that there was no controversy at all in the first three selections, as opposed to the disagreements within the Committee about #4.

(12-03-2018 11:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Those stats prove ND belongs in the playoffs.

The Committee agreed, saying that there was no controversy at all in the first three selections, as opposed to the disagreements within the Committee about #4.

I bet that every major conference except the ACC is happy that Notre Dame got in with no controversy among the committee.

ND has said all along that the only thing that would make them join a conference is proof that being independent is a severe obstacle to making the playoffs, so if ND had somehow gotten snubbed that could very well have caused the Irish to join the ACC, something nobody but the ACC wants.

(12-03-2018 11:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 05:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:57 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 11:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If I were a committee member I would see it like this:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) Georgia
4) OU

The lack of another game and a relatively weak schedule makes me put ND 5th at best.

What will happen is:

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) ND
4) OU

Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy

Among Bama, CU, ND, Ga, OU and OSU, the Irish are no worse than 3rd in FBS wins (12), Power-5 wins (10), AP top-25 wins (4), current CFP top-25 wins (3), road/neutral wins (6) and Power-5 winning record wins (5).

And, the Irish needed just 12 games to do it.#BertschyBits

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8:55 PM - Dec 1, 2018





Michael Bertsch
@NDsidBertschy
Among the group, Notre Dame is currently...

Road/Neutral Wins - t-1st
FBS Wins - t-1st
Power-5 Wins - t-1st
AP Top-25 Wins - t-1st
CFP Top-25 Wins - t-2nd
Power-5 Winning Record - 3rd

...no worse than... just 12 games...

Thanks for proving my point.

Those stats prove ND belongs in the playoffs.

The Committee agreed, saying that there was no controversy at all in the first three selections, as opposed to the disagreements within the Committee about #4.

They did say in the interview after the selections were revealed that Notre Dame was being considered in the 3/4/5 range. The fact they finished at 3 tells me that likely only 1 or 2 people pushed for Notre Dame to be excluded. And didn’t push that hard.

(12-02-2018 11:55 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 11:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  You can’t lose by 20 points to an unranked team and make the playoffs. Sorry

2014 Ohio St lost at home by 14 to 6-6 Virginia Tech

And needed a very controversial decision to get in.

Four P5 teams beat everyone they played.

Two lost by 20+.

End of story.

The only team left out with a legit gripe that isn’t self inflicted was UCF.

(12-03-2018 11:21 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Four P5 teams beat everyone they played.

Two lost by 20+.

End of story.

The only team left out with a legit gripe that isn’t self inflicted was UCF.

The committee made the politically correct call with the easiest of justifications.