Logic dictates that the U.S. would WANT to keep a good relationship with Saudi Arabia because they help further American interests as it pertains to ME policy in opposition to Iran, Syria and ISIS. If anyone is compromised it's the retards in the CIA who want to muddy the waters in an attempt to score cheap points against Trump.

Nauseatingly stupid that people fail to utilize their brains and apply critical thinking skills to the situation at hand. This is SIMPLE stuff. Also...as said already foreign dude killed by foreign gov't on foreign soil...

Why why why why why and WHY (!!!) do you fvcking people fail to remember all the alliances the U.S. had in the past with morally bankrupt regimes? Shah of Iran? Bautista in Cuba? Saddam Hussein before Gulf War 1? The Taliban in the 80s when Russia was in Afghanistan???

Well it’s Mach so....

Morally bankrupt regimes would spell the House of Saud....


Tha’s like the bizzaro argument you there Miko.

It’s not that the Saudi’s killed the guy. That in and of itself is bad. It’s Trumpo lying about it. It’s Pompeii lying about it. Why can’t you see that???? Condemn it, say that going forward these acts will not be tolerated. It’s a horrible message to the free world knowingly lying about who is responsible. All of your arguments can still be made but you have to publicly condemn lying about the killing. You guys are so corrupted you can’t even stand on the side of the truth and you have the audacity to try and spin this on me.

Here’s the other thing I have noticed. You guys don’t like being called out for being hypocrites. Too bad. When you are being a hypocrite I am going to yell you that you are. When you have fallen under the spell of the anti christ I am going to be the shining light to guide you back onto the path of the righteous.

Sorry, it’s who I am.

(12-02-2018 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Morally bankrupt regimes would spell the House of Saud....


Tha’s like the bizzaro argument you there Miko.

It’s not that the Saudi’s killed the guy. That in and of itself is bad. It’s Trumpo lying about it. It’s Pompeii lying about it. Why can’t you see that???? Condemn it, say that going forward these acts will not be tolerated. It’s a horrible message to the free world knowingly lying about who is responsible. All of your arguments can still be made but you have to publicly condemn lying about the killing. You guys are so corrupted you can’t even stand on the side of the truth and you have the audacity to try and spin this on me.

Trump and Co. did not lie about it. And they did condemn it. You have to get beyond the headlines or you will keep spouting off lies yourself as fact.

Now where is your condemnation of Obama? He knew the attack on the Libya embassy was planned and not spontaneous due to a video. He pushed that narrative long after it was very clear to the administration. So Obama lied and tried to attack free speech at the same time by blaming the video.

Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

(12-02-2018 09:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Morally bankrupt regimes would spell the House of Saud....


Tha’s like the bizzaro argument you there Miko.

It’s not that the Saudi’s killed the guy. That in and of itself is bad. It’s Trumpo lying about it. It’s Pompeii lying about it. Why can’t you see that???? Condemn it, say that going forward these acts will not be tolerated. It’s a horrible message to the free world knowingly lying about who is responsible. All of your arguments can still be made but you have to publicly condemn lying about the killing. You guys are so corrupted you can’t even stand on the side of the truth and you have the audacity to try and spin this on me.

Trump and Co. did not lie about it. And they did condemn it. You have to get beyond the headlines or you will keep spouting off lies yourself as fact.

Now where is your condemnation of Obama? He knew the attack on the Libya embassy was planned and not spontaneous due to a video. He pushed that narrative long after it was very clear to the administration. So Obama lied and tried to attack free speech at the same time by blaming the video.

Exactly. If this is a lie then Obama was a massive liar. Despite thousands of repugnant violent acts—Obama refused to even use the term “Islamic Terrorism”. He often would lie about things not being terror attacks and would deflect those that were as “man made disasters” to protect any criticism of Islamic terrorist. Talk about hypocrisy Mach—-you’re pretty much winning the award with this thread. Like 1984, Mach and the media expects you to forget all history and only buy into to thier current twisted narrative of anti-Trump hate. The media is going to get someone killed spewing all this fake news radical hate speech.

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

That makes zero sense...

(12-02-2018 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Morally bankrupt regimes would spell the House of Saud....


Tha’s like the bizzaro argument you there Miko.

It’s not that the Saudi’s killed the guy. That in and of itself is bad. It’s Trumpo lying about it. It’s Pompeii lying about it. Why can’t you see that???? Condemn it, say that going forward these acts will not be tolerated. It’s a horrible message to the free world knowingly lying about who is responsible. All of your arguments can still be made but you have to publicly condemn lying about the killing. You guys are so corrupted you can’t even stand on the side of the truth and you have the audacity to try and spin this on me.

Again, actions vs words. Whether Trump lied about it or condemned it is immaterial when you consider that the U.S. will continue to work with Saudi Arabia and ally with them. I would love to hear your comments on the other morally repugnant leaders that the U.S. worked with in the past.

ETA - you just made a style over substance argument. You don’t care about the crime. All you care about is if Trump gave the token “we don’t condone” tripe when in reality it’s likely we wanted Khashoggi dead or were neutral on him being targeted for deletion.

This thread isn't about Obmacare?

(12-02-2018 01:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This thread isn't about Obmacare?

Apparently only Republicans lie?

(12-02-2018 12:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

That makes zero sense...

Trump is saying there is no definitive link between MSB and the Kashoogi killing.

CIA leaks the definitive link......

Get it color by numbers?

(12-02-2018 03:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

That makes zero sense...

Trump is saying there is no definitive link between MSB and the Kashoogi killing.

CIA leaks the definitive link......

Get it color by numbers?

I appreciate your attempt at an answer, but that’s not what I was commenting on.

(12-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Here’s the other thing I have noticed. You guys don’t like being called out for being hypocrites. Too bad. When you are being a hypocrite I am going to yell you that you are. When you have fallen under the spell of the anti christ I am going to be the shining light to guide you back onto the path of the righteous.

Sorry, it’s who I am.

Funny... you whine like a 2 year old when people take your personal attacks. This response makes it obvious that you admit that you attack people on this forum.

Yeah... people get tired of you (for at least 2 years now) claiming they have said or believe something that they demonstrably don't... yet you feel entitled to keep doing it.... and to whine like a child when you get called to the carpet for it.

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

Part of an embarrassingly long list of stupid things you've said.

Only a moron would betray his country in an effort to 'save it'... and a person stupid enough to do that is not to be believed in anything.... and the idea that we have Trump's supposed lies... AND we have 'the truth'... and yet the CIA can't find a link to demonstrate that he has lied??

That's perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read.

(12-02-2018 03:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Here’s the other thing I have noticed. You guys don’t like being called out for being hypocrites. Too bad. When you are being a hypocrite I am going to yell you that you are. When you have fallen under the spell of the anti christ I am going to be the shining light to guide you back onto the path of the righteous.
Sorry, it’s who I am.

Funny... you whine like a 2 year old when people take your personal attacks. This response makes it obvious that you admit that you attack people on this forum.
Yeah... people get tired of you (for at least 2 years now) claiming they have said or believe something that they demonstrably don't... yet you feel entitled to keep doing it.... and to whine like a child when you get called to the carpet for it.

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

Part of an embarrassingly long list of stupid things you've said.
Only a moron would betray his country in an effort to 'save it'... and a person stupid enough to do that is not to be believed in anything.... and the idea that we have Trump's supposed lies... AND we have 'the truth'... and yet the CIA can't find a link to demonstrate that he has lied??
That's perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read.

These folks--Mueller, FBI, CIA--all took oaths to support and defend the constitution. I took that same oath. The way it was explained to me, if I had knowledge that we were being led by am illegitimate government, it would be incumbent on me to come forward immediately with such information, before such illegitimate government could lead us badly astray. If they take that oath seriously, then the only two possibilities are 1) they don't have anything, or 2) they are charlatans. There simply are no other possibilities.

(12-02-2018 04:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  These folks--Mueller, FBI, CIA--all took oaths to support and defend the constitution. I took that same oath. The way it was explained to me, if I had knowledge that we were being led by am illegitimate government, it would be incumbent on me to come forward immediately with such information. If they take that oath seriously, then the only two possibilities are 1) they don't have anything, or 2) they are charlatans. There simply are no other possibilities.

Exactly.... and the idea that they have no recourse but to leak 'weak' information to the press (I mean if you're going to leak, LEAK) is ludicrous.... because it's NOT just Mueller and other 'names'. There are all sorts of people up and down the system who would be a hero to MORE than just Democrats for protecting the country.

(12-02-2018 03:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Here’s the other thing I have noticed. You guys don’t like being called out for being hypocrites. Too bad. When you are being a hypocrite I am going to yell you that you are. When you have fallen under the spell of the anti christ I am going to be the shining light to guide you back onto the path of the righteous.

Sorry, it’s who I am.

Funny... you whine like a 2 year old when people take your personal attacks. This response makes it obvious that you admit that you attack people on this forum.

Yeah... people get tired of you (for at least 2 years now) claiming they have said or believe something that they demonstrably don't... yet you feel entitled to keep doing it.... and to whine like a child when you get called to the carpet for it.

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

Part of an embarrassingly long list of stupid things you've said.

Only a moron would betray his country in an effort to 'save it'... and a person stupid enough to do that is not to be believed in anything.... and the idea that we have Trump's supposed lies... AND we have 'the truth'... and yet the CIA can't find a link to demonstrate that he has lied??

That's perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read.

You have said this bolded part before. Where did I say I attack people. Show this. You can’t. You are a person of low character that puts words in people’s mouths. Tell me something. When someone is in charge of policing an area. Should they themselves violate the rules. Just wondering. You have to make a decision Hambone. Either moderate or stop personally attacking people. Hold yourself to a higher standard. I abhor dealing with you. You are a person of such low character it disgusts me to even address you. I would never ask for your opinion. You mention whiskey in your coffee above. That’s the behavior of an alcoholic. I wouldn’t know about putting whiskey in coffee. That is a personal attack. People can’t hit you back because you will try to get them banned as you have tried with me repeatedly. You are a hypocritical disgusting human being who abuses power. I want nothing to do with you and I would appreciate it if you kept my name out of your mouth. Don’t converse with me. Don’t ask me of my opinions and don’t attack me. I will return the same gesture in kind. Hopefully this is the last time I ever respond to you. Complaining about someone whining. That is you in a nutshell. That is rich and a pure projection.

(12-02-2018 12:34 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Morally bankrupt regimes would spell the House of Saud....


Tha’s like the bizzaro argument you there Miko.

It’s not that the Saudi’s killed the guy. That in and of itself is bad. It’s Trumpo lying about it. It’s Pompeii lying about it. Why can’t you see that???? Condemn it, say that going forward these acts will not be tolerated. It’s a horrible message to the free world knowingly lying about who is responsible. All of your arguments can still be made but you have to publicly condemn lying about the killing. You guys are so corrupted you can’t even stand on the side of the truth and you have the audacity to try and spin this on me.

Again, actions vs words. Whether Trump lied about it or condemned it is immaterial when you consider that the U.S. will continue to work with Saudi Arabia and ally with them. I would love to hear your comments on the other morally repugnant leaders that the U.S. worked with in the past.

ETA - you just made a style over substance argument. You don’t care about the crime. All you care about is if Trump gave the token “we don’t condone” tripe when in reality it’s likely we wanted Khashoggi dead or were neutral on him being targeted for deletion.

And Trump DID condemn the killing. Its in his official statement about it.

(12-02-2018 04:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 03:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Here’s the other thing I have noticed. You guys don’t like being called out for being hypocrites. Too bad. When you are being a hypocrite I am going to yell you that you are. When you have fallen under the spell of the anti christ I am going to be the shining light to guide you back onto the path of the righteous.
Sorry, it’s who I am.

Funny... you whine like a 2 year old when people take your personal attacks. This response makes it obvious that you admit that you attack people on this forum.
Yeah... people get tired of you (for at least 2 years now) claiming they have said or believe something that they demonstrably don't... yet you feel entitled to keep doing it.... and to whine like a child when you get called to the carpet for it.

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

Part of an embarrassingly long list of stupid things you've said.
Only a moron would betray his country in an effort to 'save it'... and a person stupid enough to do that is not to be believed in anything.... and the idea that we have Trump's supposed lies... AND we have 'the truth'... and yet the CIA can't find a link to demonstrate that he has lied??
That's perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read.

These folks--Mueller, FBI, CIA--all took oaths to support and defend the constitution. I took that same oath. The way it was explained to me, if I had knowledge that we were being led by am illegitimate government, it would be incumbent on me to come forward immediately with such information, before such illegitimate government could lead us badly astray. If they take that oath seriously, then the only two possibilities are 1) they don't have anything, or 2) they are charlatans. There simply are no other possibilities.

What can you do if you are the CIA and you know the President is a traitor at worst a reckless liar at best. You would do exactly what they are doing. Leaking proof he lies.

2+2=4 simplicity.

(12-02-2018 03:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 10:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump and Company have lied repeatedly about it. No definitive link. This is why the CIA leaked this brilliant bullet.

That makes zero sense...

Trump is saying there is no definitive link between MSB and the Kashoogi killing.

CIA leaks the definitive link......

Get it color by numbers?

And there is no DEFINITIVE link. There's circumstantial stuff, but no smoking gun. What President Trump said is absolutely true. Read the articles.